I think she protests too much, they can't possibly be reaching two million viewers a week.
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Originally Posted by mike65:
“That really is a sackable set of numbers, the programmes are utterly pish - its hard to imagine anyone clearing the decks to make an appointment to view either DDDS or IRotE once never mind three or so times.”
“That really is a sackable set of numbers, the programmes are utterly pish - its hard to imagine anyone clearing the decks to make an appointment to view either DDDS or IRotE once never mind three or so times.”
Yes that's three nights in a row iirc. Its poor stuff.
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“I've known this for a few weeks so it's not like the BBC are doing it at last minute. Nothing stopping ITV airing Corrie from 8:35 and it would still be over by 9.”
“I've known this for a few weeks so it's not like the BBC are doing it at last minute. Nothing stopping ITV airing Corrie from 8:35 and it would still be over by 9.”
I know, I was being whimsical. Thought someone might like to suggest BBC1 were deliberately doing it on a Friday to mess up Corrie.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“And what would make BBC1 Secret Britain do so much better than ITV's The Wonder of Britain?”
“And what would make BBC1 Secret Britain do so much better than ITV's The Wonder of Britain?”
Lots of things! Different presenters, different concepts, different slots, different competition, different times of the year. They're clearly not the same programme and there must be something about Secret Britain that's more appealing to the audience. It's the same argument as saying Traffic Cops does well on BBC1 while the ITV shows about police videos don't, therefore BBC1 must have a default audience - but that's wrong because my dad tells me he likes Traffic Cops better. I don't know why, presumably they have more interesting videos and more interesting stories, but he likes it better. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that The Wonder of Britain was boring and badly made, and Secret Britain is more interesting. Plus Secret Britain has crap competition (not the Beeb's fault).
What made Pop Idol do so much better than Fame Academy? They were the same concept, but Pop Idol was the better show by miles. It's that simple.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“They are definitely top threes.
But it only covers programmes that started between 7pm and 10:59pm, which I guess is their definition of peak.
Also it strips out programmes that are 15 minutes or less in duration.”
“They are definitely top threes.
But it only covers programmes that started between 7pm and 10:59pm, which I guess is their definition of peak.
Also it strips out programmes that are 15 minutes or less in duration.”
Fair enough, although I think that's a pretty daft way to do it, especially at the weekend, like the other Saturday when C4 only had Independence Day listed and not the Grand National. Presumably in a couple of weeks we'll have a Saturday when the Cup Final isn't given but a bog standard episode of Casualty is. And we're paying for it!
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Media Guardian have picked up.on Victoria Derbyshire's ratings.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...P=share_btn_tw”
“Media Guardian have picked up.on Victoria Derbyshire's ratings.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...P=share_btn_tw”
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Louisa Compton (BBC) @louisa_compton · 39m 39 minutes ago
@ThatTimWalker they've now included a statement which explains it. We were off air bbc2 on mon, tues, we'd & fri. On thurs more watched us..
Louisa Compton (BBC) @louisa_compton · 38m 38 minutes ago
@ThatTimWalker ...on bbc news than bbc2 'cos of the schedule disruption.”
“Louisa Compton (BBC) @louisa_compton · 39m 39 minutes ago
@ThatTimWalker they've now included a statement which explains it. We were off air bbc2 on mon, tues, we'd & fri. On thurs more watched us..
Louisa Compton (BBC) @louisa_compton · 38m 38 minutes ago
@ThatTimWalker ...on bbc news than bbc2 'cos of the schedule disruption.”
This is a daft story, I don't know how many people they expect to watch it on BBC2, as Compton says, when it hasn't been on BBC2 the previous three days and isn't on the following day. Who's going to remember it's on BBC2 that day and that day alone? Even loyal viewers will have forgotten and watched it on BBC News. It's like the Sunday episode of Breakfast, everyone's got used to watching that on BBC News so on the few occasions during the football season when it's on BBC1 I doubt the ratings do much because nobody's expecting it to be there.
Of course, the argument is that they should have taken if off BBC2 all week, or indeed not launched it until after the snooker. But the thing is, despite it being quite a big deal for BBC News, it's hardly a priority for BBC2 and is really just there to make it look a bit better than just simulcasting three hours of normal BBC News. Given in recent months BBC2 daytime has included a load of signed repeats, F1 practice that used to be on the red button alone and indeed a CBBC simulcast the other month, it's clear much of the stuff on there is just to avoid a blank screen.
Of course it could be simpler....viewers just don't like the programme because they want a rolling news channel. Sky must be delighted as usually they get about half the audience of the BBC News channel
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Good weather taking its toll?”
“Good weather taking its toll?”
We've not had any rain here for almost a month. It's been very warm and sunny but tonight it's dull and looks like the heavens are about to open.
The weather is on the turn again.
I think the North didn't have as long a run of warm weather like the south did.
Soaps could be back up tonight. Masterchef final could do very well too.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“When the weather is good a programme is much better off going out after 8pm.”
“When the weather is good a programme is much better off going out after 8pm.”
Of course but ED seems to struggle against Masterchef particularly. The second ED rating lower than the first is the usual pattern. People are unlikely to watch the second ED without watching the first either so that plays a part.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“I know, I was being whimsical. Thought someone might like to suggest BBC1 were deliberately doing it on a Friday to mess up Corrie.
Lots of things! Different presenters, different concepts, different slots, different competition, different times of the year. They're clearly not the same programme and there must be something about Secret Britain that's more appealing to the audience. It's the same argument as saying Traffic Cops does well on BBC1 while the ITV shows about police videos don't, therefore BBC1 must have a default audience - but that's wrong because my dad tells me he likes Traffic Cops better. I don't know why, presumably they have more interesting videos and more interesting stories, but he likes it better. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that The Wonder of Britain was boring and badly made, and Secret Britain is more interesting. Plus Secret Britain has crap competition (not the Beeb's fault).
What made Pop Idol do so much better than Fame Academy? They were the same concept, but Pop Idol was the better show by miles. It's that simple.
Fair enough, although I think that's a pretty daft way to do it, especially at the weekend, like the other Saturday when C4 only had Independence Day listed and not the Grand National. Presumably in a couple of weeks we'll have a Saturday when the Cup Final isn't given but a bog standard episode of Casualty is. And we're paying for it!
This is a daft story, I don't know how many people they expect to watch it on BBC2, as Compton says, when it hasn't been on BBC2 the previous three days and isn't on the following day. Who's going to remember it's on BBC2 that day and that day alone? Even loyal viewers will have forgotten and watched it on BBC News. It's like the Sunday episode of Breakfast, everyone's got used to watching that on BBC News so on the few occasions during the football season when it's on BBC1 I doubt the ratings do much because nobody's expecting it to be there.
Of course, the argument is that they should have taken if off BBC2 all week, or indeed not launched it until after the snooker. But the thing is, despite it being quite a big deal for BBC News, it's hardly a priority for BBC2 and is really just there to make it look a bit better than just simulcasting three hours of normal BBC News. Given in recent months BBC2 daytime has included a load of signed repeats, F1 practice that used to be on the red button alone and indeed a CBBC simulcast the other month, it's clear much of the stuff on there is just to avoid a blank screen.”
“I know, I was being whimsical. Thought someone might like to suggest BBC1 were deliberately doing it on a Friday to mess up Corrie.
Lots of things! Different presenters, different concepts, different slots, different competition, different times of the year. They're clearly not the same programme and there must be something about Secret Britain that's more appealing to the audience. It's the same argument as saying Traffic Cops does well on BBC1 while the ITV shows about police videos don't, therefore BBC1 must have a default audience - but that's wrong because my dad tells me he likes Traffic Cops better. I don't know why, presumably they have more interesting videos and more interesting stories, but he likes it better. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that The Wonder of Britain was boring and badly made, and Secret Britain is more interesting. Plus Secret Britain has crap competition (not the Beeb's fault).
What made Pop Idol do so much better than Fame Academy? They were the same concept, but Pop Idol was the better show by miles. It's that simple.
Fair enough, although I think that's a pretty daft way to do it, especially at the weekend, like the other Saturday when C4 only had Independence Day listed and not the Grand National. Presumably in a couple of weeks we'll have a Saturday when the Cup Final isn't given but a bog standard episode of Casualty is. And we're paying for it!
This is a daft story, I don't know how many people they expect to watch it on BBC2, as Compton says, when it hasn't been on BBC2 the previous three days and isn't on the following day. Who's going to remember it's on BBC2 that day and that day alone? Even loyal viewers will have forgotten and watched it on BBC News. It's like the Sunday episode of Breakfast, everyone's got used to watching that on BBC News so on the few occasions during the football season when it's on BBC1 I doubt the ratings do much because nobody's expecting it to be there.
Of course, the argument is that they should have taken if off BBC2 all week, or indeed not launched it until after the snooker. But the thing is, despite it being quite a big deal for BBC News, it's hardly a priority for BBC2 and is really just there to make it look a bit better than just simulcasting three hours of normal BBC News. Given in recent months BBC2 daytime has included a load of signed repeats, F1 practice that used to be on the red button alone and indeed a CBBC simulcast the other month, it's clear much of the stuff on there is just to avoid a blank screen.”
Secret Britian has crap competition which means BBC1 gain a default audience. The fact BBC News can beat ITV News despite the latter getting a bigger lead in, in some cases is proof of this. ITV News is not inferior too BBC News.
The BBC do have a default audience, not for every programme, but those that usually appeal to the older audience.
Originally Posted by Score:
“Horrendous night for ITV. Looking at their schedule, it's all a bit of a disaster right now. The choice of programmes, choice of slots for programmes, branding, advertising and coherence of schedule is all really lacking right now and it is showing in the ratings. Mondays are fine but every other night of the week has at least one major issue right now. Even Saturday and Sunday do thanks to Play To The Whistle and Celebrity Squares. It has been a really poor year for them with only a few bright spots.
Bushmills, you wouldn't happen to know how Pointless and Paul O'Grady did would you?
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“Horrendous night for ITV. Looking at their schedule, it's all a bit of a disaster right now. The choice of programmes, choice of slots for programmes, branding, advertising and coherence of schedule is all really lacking right now and it is showing in the ratings. Mondays are fine but every other night of the week has at least one major issue right now. Even Saturday and Sunday do thanks to Play To The Whistle and Celebrity Squares. It has been a really poor year for them with only a few bright spots.
Bushmills, you wouldn't happen to know how Pointless and Paul O'Grady did would you?
”
The decline of Corrie has played a big part in this, and yet ITV do nothing despite drops over over 1.5m YOY. Yesterday rating of 6.4m is dire, and truly awful. Perhaps they are happy to see Corrie die within the next couple of years. Especially since they have spent millions on a new set..
Other than BGT, Ninja Warrior UK, Safe House and Vera ITv is a complete mess and disaster.
A serious overhaul needs to happen soon, otherwise ITV are going to be sub 3m for most programmes.
And it look like Celeb Squares, The Delivery Man and any other sub 2m programmes are remaining in their flopping slots.
A serious overhaul needs to happen soon, otherwise ITV are going to be sub 3m for most programmes.
And it look like Celeb Squares, The Delivery Man and any other sub 2m programmes are remaining in their flopping slots.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Secret Britian has crap competition which means BBC1 gain a default audience. The fact BBC News can beat ITV News despite the latter getting a bigger lead in, in some cases is proof of this. ITV News is not inferior too BBC News.
The BBC do have a default audience, not for every programme, but those that usually appeal to the older audience.”
“Secret Britian has crap competition which means BBC1 gain a default audience. The fact BBC News can beat ITV News despite the latter getting a bigger lead in, in some cases is proof of this. ITV News is not inferior too BBC News.
The BBC do have a default audience, not for every programme, but those that usually appeal to the older audience.”
News At Ten used to be the biggest bulletin on TV. Mismanagement and bad decisions made it lose....cliche alert....viewer loyalty. Moving the news to 11pm and pushing all the resources into making the early evening bulletin the main one hurt News At Ten. Then when the BBC moved their news to 10pm it became established and ITV couldn't re-establish News At Ten.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Other than BGT, Ninja Warrior UK, Safe House and Vera ITv is a complete mess and disaster.
A serious overhaul needs to happen soon, otherwise ITV are going to be sub 3m for most programmes.
And it look like Celeb Squares, The Delivery Man and any other sub 2m programmes are remaining in their flopping slots.”
“Other than BGT, Ninja Warrior UK, Safe House and Vera ITv is a complete mess and disaster.
A serious overhaul needs to happen soon, otherwise ITV are going to be sub 3m for most programmes.
And it look like Celeb Squares, The Delivery Man and any other sub 2m programmes are remaining in their flopping slots.”
Comedy and factual need looking at for sure. The comedy that works on ITV now is broad rather than gentle. I don't think the commissioners of today are attuned to that. Also factual in primetime slots feels like BBC4 or specialist factual on Channel 4. It won't get big audiences.
Comedy just to be such a staple of ITV in peak hours we can all list them from On the Buses and Rising Damp to Brass and Whoops Apocalypse and then it all starting to dribble away to almost nothing and Brighton Belles .
The channel became obsessed with soaps, cops and other random persons in uniform.
The channel became obsessed with soaps, cops and other random persons in uniform.
Originally Posted by mike65:
“Comedy just to be such a staple of ITV in peak hours we can all list them from On the Buses and Rising Damp to Brass and Whoops Apocalypse and then it all starting to dribble away to almost nothing and Brighton Belles .
The channel became obsessed with soaps, cops and other random persons in uniform.”
“Comedy just to be such a staple of ITV in peak hours we can all list them from On the Buses and Rising Damp to Brass and Whoops Apocalypse and then it all starting to dribble away to almost nothing and Brighton Belles .
The channel became obsessed with soaps, cops and other random persons in uniform.”
When we think of great sitcoms most people name the BBC ones. If you look at The BAFTA awards in the 70s and 80s BBC comedies dominate the category. But in those decades ITV had loads of huge comedies. They had so many hits getting huge numbers, some helped by following Coronation Street. They were a huge part of the schedule. ITV should never have turned their back on comedy.
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Pre-Derbyshire the News Channel audience for that slot was about 136,000 according to DS, can't see it being anywhere near that now. She did say the ratings would be the test of whether the programme was successful or not
”
“Pre-Derbyshire the News Channel audience for that slot was about 136,000 according to DS, can't see it being anywhere near that now. She did say the ratings would be the test of whether the programme was successful or not
”
Think the BBC News Channel may dump her on BBC Parliament soon to the end of contact. As rolling news gets a much higher audience.
Just watched the first Episode of Car Share expecting it to be awful and it's actually pretty good- I laughed more than at most comedy launches I've seen recently and I have a feeling it's going to do pretty well- But then I thought Newzoids is good so what do I know...
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“Just watched the first Episode of Car Share expecting it to be awful and it's actually pretty good- I laughed more than at most comedy launches I've seen recently and I have a feeling it's going to do pretty well- But then I thought Newzoids is good so what do I know...”
“Just watched the first Episode of Car Share expecting it to be awful and it's actually pretty good- I laughed more than at most comedy launches I've seen recently and I have a feeling it's going to do pretty well- But then I thought Newzoids is good so what do I know...”
I think Car Share will do well. But being on iPlayer first might hurt ratings.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Secret Britian has crap competition which means BBC1 gain a default audience. The fact BBC News can beat ITV News despite the latter getting a bigger lead in, in some cases is proof of this. ITV News is not inferior too BBC News.
The BBC do have a default audience, not for every programme, but those that usually appeal to the older audience.”
“Secret Britian has crap competition which means BBC1 gain a default audience. The fact BBC News can beat ITV News despite the latter getting a bigger lead in, in some cases is proof of this. ITV News is not inferior too BBC News.
The BBC do have a default audience, not for every programme, but those that usually appeal to the older audience.”
ITV News is celeb driven nonsense at times. Sometimes people just want the news not heavy cross promotion of ITV programmes.
A quick look at ITV News this morning shows, several political stories -
Cameron saying that Britains' First Black PM will be a Tory,
next Simon Cowell resists hypnotic dog,
then Tories have boosted SNP Profile.
Yet some state that Newzoids has failed because of the default OAP audience on BBC One taking away the ITV audience - I would imagine that the programmes are aimed at slightly different audiences, and ITV's offering is pretty bad too.
ITV should adopt what the BBC do with some of their comedies by allowing them to grow before promoting them. Newzoids should have grown on ITV2, giving the production team a chance to refine the show and fix things that are obviously wrong. In the end it simply may have became a cult hit on ITV2, with an occasional special on ITV. What we have now is a situation where the show will be rested.
Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“ITV News is celeb driven nonsense at times. Sometimes people just want the news not heavy cross promotion of ITV programmes.”
“ITV News is celeb driven nonsense at times. Sometimes people just want the news not heavy cross promotion of ITV programmes.”
Well that's basically made up, the old ITV news is just celeb news line. I wouldn't expect much more round here though.
ITV News is usually the same approx running order as BBC News and regularly punches above its weight considering it's much smaller resources.
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Yet some state that Newzoids has failed because of the default OAP audience on BBC One taking away the ITV audience - I would imagine that the programmes are aimed at slightly different audiences, and ITV's offering is pretty bad too.
ITV should adopt what the BBC do with some of their comedies by allowing them to grow before promoting them. Newzoids should have grown on ITV2, giving the production team a chance to refine the show and fix things that are obviously wrong. In the end it simply may have became a cult hit on ITV2, with an occasional special on ITV. What we have now is a situation where the show will be rested.”
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Yet some state that Newzoids has failed because of the default OAP audience on BBC One taking away the ITV audience - I would imagine that the programmes are aimed at slightly different audiences, and ITV's offering is pretty bad too.
ITV should adopt what the BBC do with some of their comedies by allowing them to grow before promoting them. Newzoids should have grown on ITV2, giving the production team a chance to refine the show and fix things that are obviously wrong. In the end it simply may have became a cult hit on ITV2, with an occasional special on ITV. What we have now is a situation where the show will be rested.”
The gap between ITV2 and ITV is too big, it isn't the same as BBC2 to BBC1.
A hit on ITV2 would get maybe 1m at a push, if it doubled or even trebled that when moving to ITV it wouldn't be much better than it is at the moment.
It's this expectation thing. ITV is just police dramas and soaps, so when they do a satirical comedy, nobody watches it as it isn't a police drama or soap, the audience that is there doesn't like it, and the ones that might aren't looking for it. It's an endless circle.
It's just the same situation as Channel 4 and their drama programming. Nobody watches because nobody expects Channel 4 to do much drama. But stick on a factual about gypsies or body parts and people tune in.
Do you try and change perception by commissioning different things or just stick with what does well?
First of all I think ITV needs to be looking at commissioning some factual series that have broad appeal for the main channel, and the niche series for ITV3.
At the moment Klien has produced nothing but flops for ITV, with only Mafia bucking the trend. The fact ITV is weak to start with doesn't help, but seeing so many sub 2m ratings in peak time is unacceptable.
Their laziness last year and allowing Corrie to suffer is biting them on the bum now, and I see this happening until something is changed.
At the moment Klien has produced nothing but flops for ITV, with only Mafia bucking the trend. The fact ITV is weak to start with doesn't help, but seeing so many sub 2m ratings in peak time is unacceptable.
Their laziness last year and allowing Corrie to suffer is biting them on the bum now, and I see this happening until something is changed.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“First of all I think ITV needs to be looking at commissioning some factual series that have broad appeal for the main channel, and the niche series for ITV3.
At the moment Klien has produced nothing but flops for ITV, with only Mafia bucking the trend. The fact ITV is weak to start with doesn't help, but seeing so many sub 2m ratings in peak time is unacceptable.
Their laziness last year and allowing Corrie to suffer is biting them on the bum now, and I see this happening until something is changed.”
“First of all I think ITV needs to be looking at commissioning some factual series that have broad appeal for the main channel, and the niche series for ITV3.
At the moment Klien has produced nothing but flops for ITV, with only Mafia bucking the trend. The fact ITV is weak to start with doesn't help, but seeing so many sub 2m ratings in peak time is unacceptable.
Their laziness last year and allowing Corrie to suffer is biting them on the bum now, and I see this happening until something is changed.”
Or maybe some factual which is a connected series - broad appeal for the main channel and then more in-depth on the same subject matter (under the same programme banner) for ITV3, with cross promotion of course. Little point in advertising the series on ITV and not ITV 3. You need to pull the viewers from both channels together to make them aware of the options.
ITV News used to be good back in 2004. Great set titles and music, and I loved when they used to introduce the Jackson Trial reports with 'Billie Jean'. Fantastic.
I know the UK public, generally prefers more boring style though.
I know the UK public, generally prefers more boring style though.
Originally Posted by JordyD:
“ITV News used to be good back in 2004. Great set titles and music, and I loved when they used to introduce the Jackson Trial reports with 'Billie Jean'. Fantastic.
I know the UK public, generally prefers more boring style though.”
“ITV News used to be good back in 2004. Great set titles and music, and I loved when they used to introduce the Jackson Trial reports with 'Billie Jean'. Fantastic.
I know the UK public, generally prefers more boring style though.”
They moved it to 11 p.m. so they could run ''adult'' movies from 9 p.m. A management disaster and a gift for the BBC who probably couldn't believe their luck.
I don't get when people slag off ITV News , especially ITV News at Ten. It often has the same reports as BBC News at Ten and has had a number of special reports and exclusives. It's that old thing that mud sticks and people like to peddle out the same old rubbish.
BBC beat ITV at 10pm because the BBC have their news there. I wouldn't say its more superior or better. We are seeing the same with Breakfast. I personally don't think people sit and watch saying, oh this is great, fab and GMB is all celeb (which it isn't).
You can get real news from Daily Star if you look, but that's not the narrative so never mention it, same with ITV News.
BBC beat ITV at 10pm because the BBC have their news there. I wouldn't say its more superior or better. We are seeing the same with Breakfast. I personally don't think people sit and watch saying, oh this is great, fab and GMB is all celeb (which it isn't).
You can get real news from Daily Star if you look, but that's not the narrative so never mention it, same with ITV News.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Well that's basically made up, the old ITV news is just celeb news line. I wouldn't expect much more round here though.
ITV News is usually the same approx running order as BBC News and regularly punches above its weight considering it's much smaller resources.”
“Well that's basically made up, the old ITV news is just celeb news line. I wouldn't expect much more round here though.
ITV News is usually the same approx running order as BBC News and regularly punches above its weight considering it's much smaller resources.”
ITV News has won numerous awards over the years. It is no cheap, tatty news programme. Unfairly slated.
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“The gap between ITV2 and ITV is too big, it isn't the same as BBC2 to BBC1.
A hit on ITV2 would get maybe 1m at a push, if it doubled or even trebled that when moving to ITV it wouldn't be much better than it is at the moment.
It's this expectation thing. ITV is just police dramas and soaps, so when they do a satirical comedy, nobody watches it as it isn't a police drama or soap, the audience that is there doesn't like it, and the ones that might aren't looking for it. It's an endless circle.
It's just the same situation as Channel 4 and their drama programming. Nobody watches because nobody expects Channel 4 to do much drama. But stick on a factual about gypsies or body parts and people tune in.
Do you try and change perception by commissioning different things or just stick with what does well?”
“The gap between ITV2 and ITV is too big, it isn't the same as BBC2 to BBC1.
A hit on ITV2 would get maybe 1m at a push, if it doubled or even trebled that when moving to ITV it wouldn't be much better than it is at the moment.
It's this expectation thing. ITV is just police dramas and soaps, so when they do a satirical comedy, nobody watches it as it isn't a police drama or soap, the audience that is there doesn't like it, and the ones that might aren't looking for it. It's an endless circle.
It's just the same situation as Channel 4 and their drama programming. Nobody watches because nobody expects Channel 4 to do much drama. But stick on a factual about gypsies or body parts and people tune in.
Do you try and change perception by commissioning different things or just stick with what does well?”
ITV has no easy nursery slope to try comedy. The BBC can use BBC2 to grow a show then move it to BBC1. The only time a BBC show jumped from BBC3 to BBC1, which I'd say is like jumping from ITV2 to ITV, was Gavin and Stacey.
Do you change perception or stick with what you do well? ITV did crime drama well and tried to do different types of upmarket shows. They drove away their own audience. Channel 4 made lots of good drama in the past but commissioned a lot of crap. That's why they lost viewers. You're talking absolute nonsense about Channel 4 drama there Andy.
Originally Posted by ftv:
“They moved it to 11 p.m. so they could run ''adult'' movies from 9 p.m. A management disaster and a gift for the BBC who probably couldn't believe their luck.”
“They moved it to 11 p.m. so they could run ''adult'' movies from 9 p.m. A management disaster and a gift for the BBC who probably couldn't believe their luck.”
Originally Posted by all_night:
“I don't get when people slag off ITV News , especially ITV News at Ten. It often has the same reports as BBC News at Ten and has had a number of special reports and exclusives. It's that old thing that mud sticks and people like to peddle out the same old rubbish.
BBC beat ITV at 10pm because the BBC have their news there. I wouldn't say its more superior or better. We are seeing the same with Breakfast. I personally don't think people sit and watch saying, oh this is great, fab and GMB is all celeb (which it isn't).
You can get real news from Daily Star if you look, but that's not the narrative so never mention it, same with ITV News.”
“I don't get when people slag off ITV News , especially ITV News at Ten. It often has the same reports as BBC News at Ten and has had a number of special reports and exclusives. It's that old thing that mud sticks and people like to peddle out the same old rubbish.
BBC beat ITV at 10pm because the BBC have their news there. I wouldn't say its more superior or better. We are seeing the same with Breakfast. I personally don't think people sit and watch saying, oh this is great, fab and GMB is all celeb (which it isn't).
You can get real news from Daily Star if you look, but that's not the narrative so never mention it, same with ITV News.”
The worst thing ITV did for News At Ten was move it. It was moved to accommodate more feature length dramas and other programming. Then the 11pm bulletin was too late and wasn't as detailed as News At Ten. ITV made their early evening bulletin the main one and pushed all the resources into that. But more people were watching regional news on BBC1 at the time and The Six O' Clock News was very popular.
ITV just left an open goal for BBC1 to put their news at 10pm, then it became established there. ITV made a big thing about News At Ten returning and expected the audience to comeback. They were shocked when they didn't.
ITV caused News At Ten's ratings problems.
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