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Can't transfer recordings from Humax 1000S, how about other boxes?
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I am a bit fed up that I cannot transfer recordings from the Humax 1000s to my phone or tablet for viewing while travelling. Are all Freesat boxes locked down like this now? How about if I changed to Freeview on Sky, are their boxes locked down too? Thanks |
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I am a bit fed up that I cannot transfer recordings from the Humax 1000s to my phone or tablet for viewing while travelling. Are all Freesat boxes locked down like this now? How about if I changed to Freeview on Sky, are their boxes locked down too? Both Sky boxes and Freesat boxes are required NOT to allow you to remove the recordings from them, for obvious piracy reasons. However, if you were a Sky subscriber there is the capability to download programmes directly from Sky (not off the box) to your tablet or phone. |
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Freesat from Sky wont allow you to record anything anyway, without paying a fee!
The older Humax Foxsat HDR box is the one you need if you want to archive/transfer your recordings. It's possible to archive HD too, with the custom firmware and a patch installed, although obviously the file sizes are rather large. |
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Both Sky boxes and Freesat boxes are required NOT to allow you to remove the recordings from them, for obvious piracy reasons.
Cheers, David. |
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There's a "copy to USB" facility built into some Freesat boxes, in Freesat mode, with the original firmware.
Cheers, David. |
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But most are for archive purposes only and will only playback via the original stb unless you know otherwise.
As a anti piracy measure it's a joke anyway. Any generic fta satellite pvr or pvr ready box will record free to air content (HD and SD) without encryption in any case. |
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There's a "copy to USB" facility built into some Freesat boxes, in Freesat mode, with the original firmware.
Cheers, David. |
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I can copy programmes of my Freeview Humax 2000T onto USB (SD) and then convert them into a useable format for viewing on other devices e.g. mp4.
All my mobile kit (smart phones and tablets) will play .ts files without conversion. HD ones may require the aac audio to be converted to ac3. |
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i have 1800 humax freeVIEW, but transferring recordings should be the same. SD Transfer to usb memory stick is easy, just use the copy command. Use freeware iwisoft video converter, on a pc, to easily convert the video.ts file this usb copying produces, into best format for whatever mobile you have .... I put off air recordings in 3gp format on my mobe with no trouble .....
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as said, HD also works. You really need an ethernet switch to connect computer to humax. Then invoke ftp in internet explorer. Then run foxy. Then copy to usb as before ...... Sounds horrible techy, but in fact very easy ......
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... Sky boxes do not have usb transfer ..... then the only way is an "easycap" or similar usb video capture device on scart output ........
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note, the 3gp video file format should play on any mobile phone ...... several freeware format converters will produce it from the humax video.ts file ....... iwisoft will also let you reduce file size, but obviously with lower quality video,.....
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well ..... It seems this particular model is "locked out" for usb copying. In which case, its the alternatives already mentioned. Either usb video capture via scart (very tedious), or freeview if you can receive it via aerial, or replace with a generic sat pvr althogh you will not have an epg ....if transferring recordings was required, did u just assume it was available ?
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or the older foxsat if u can find one,........
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... Sky boxes do not have usb transfer ..... then the only way is an "easycap" or similar usb video capture device on scart output ........
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it looks like usb file copy is locked out, on this foxsat and youview (freeview) boxes, cos they can directly access online pay tv services which may be copyright. Whereas my 1800 only gets the humax tv portal via internet ........
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i can confirm that foxy works on the 1800 freeview, as on t2 and older foxsat ......
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i can confirm that foxy works on the 1800 freeview, as on t2 and older foxsat ......
?Foxy was a programme that was originally designed to exploit the fact that the Humax HDR-FOX T2 (terrestrial box) was designed to encrypt all recordings SD and HD on recording to disk. The standard firmware decrypted SD recordings on copying to SD, it did not do the same for HD recordings. Raydon discovered the fact that the HDR-FOX T2 used a simple flag in one of the sidecar support files (.hmt), when changed to match a SD recording, fooled the box to also decrypt HD recordings on copying to USB. Thanks to this box as standard, providing FTP access to the recording partition without any modifications at all to the box, the appropriate flag could be reset. As a result HD recordings could also be decrypted on copying to USB. It's important to note that the box itself does the decryption, there is no illegal hacking of the software to reverse the unique encryption key used by each box. The development of the Custom Firmware for this box, largely rendered Foxy irrelevant for custom firmware users as the same principle could be used to decrypt HD recordings in situ. There is no custom firmware for the HDR1800T and HDR2000T, however ftp access to the box is retained, so Foxy still works as it did for the HDR-FOX T2. The Foxsat-HDR is an entirely different animal, SD recordings are not encrypted, HD ones are if the broadcaster specifies they should be. As a result SD recordings copied to SD can be used on other kit. HD ones can be copied (usually once, also a broadcaster setting option) to USB but will only play back on the box that recorded the content. The later custom firmware did not change this situation as the satellite box did not have the capability to decrypt any content to usb. The .hmt file though did though (thanks to Raydon) allow the user to reset the broadcaster copy once flags to allow users to repeat a copy to a usb archive drive). Before this a failed copy could not be repeated as the copy once flag was set at the start of the copy, rather than at the successful completion of the copy. There is no known way of decrypting an existing HD recording on a Foxsat-HDR. (despite what you say ).Why do you post about kit you clearly do not have, let alone understand ? There is however a way of changing the behaviour of the Foxsat to not encrypt future recordings, by way of a patch to the Humax official settop app. This is not part of the CF which does not change the User Interface in any way. It's clear you have not ever used any of the above kit apart from the one Humax box you use, and do not really understand even this box, Perhaps you might read this post and realise it's at the level of your other posts re the various surround sound options available on broadcast content. |
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graham seems confused. All I said was, I can confirm that foxy works on a humax 1800 (in case anyone wants to know). Which is an entirely different receiver. As I said, it can only get the humax tv portal, so humax control the copyright issues, and therefore have not added further encryption ..... not the case with receivers that directly access further services like youview ......
As I understand it, humax are not going to release firmware details of current boxes, precisely because of this copyright issue. Therefore it will not be possible to use custom firmware or other dodges to get round the problem. |
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i would also ask graham not to cross post abuse from other threads, Anyone who wants to see what I said about 2.0 surround sound can easily look it up. And what I have said is correct.
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graham seems confused. All I said was, I can confirm that foxy works on a humax 1800 (in case anyone wants to know). Which is an entirely different receiver. As I said, it can only get the humax tv portal, so humax control the copyright issues, and therefore have not added further encryption ..... not the case with receivers that directly access further services like youview ......
As I understand it, humax are not going to release firmware details of current boxes, precisely because of this copyright issue. Quote:
i can confirm that foxy works on the 1800 freeview, as on t2 and older foxsat ...... |
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i also dont know why you would use firewire for video capture from scart. It might be needed for HD analogue capture, but then surely that is locked out ?
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i also dont know why you would use firewire for video capture from scart. It might be needed for HD analogue capture, but then surely that is locked out ?
DV compression is intraframe compressed (it produces very large files), but the data contains every single frame unlike mpeg2 compression. This means that you start with a lot more data, and it's of much higher quality than you get from the crap real time mpeg2 encoders you get in a usb on the fly converter. They also support S-Video HD DV camcorders did exist but they had to add lossy mpeg compression to the compression to make it possible to capture the content using firewire. The first digital SD camcorders used DV compression to record much higher quality SD content to tape. Due to the high bitrate only firewire is capable of perfect bit for bit copies of the recorded content. DV converters or DV camcorders with AV in use the same compression codec (they also have S-Video inputs). USB is not capable of the required sustained data transfer rate. Even USB3.0 doesn't work. USB3.0 to firewire converters work, but they are only suitable for firewire kit like scanners, they don't work with camcorders. I still have a working very high quality DV camcorder, at the time it was the best pro-consumer available. I still use it as a DV converter for SD material. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-DCR-TRV.../dp/B0000AKKZ7 A few digital camcorders used mpeg2 compression and often used mini DVD disks as storage, the quality was poor and you could forget trying to edit the content. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DV https://www.tnpbroadcast.co.uk/i-o-d...XTQaAs518P8HAQ For someone who professes to understand this technology, you don't appear to have much actual experience. |
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i don't know what graham is on about, much of the time .....
original question: why can't you copy files from this humax sat receiver ? It was not specific, so i gave a generic answer, But this particular receiver has usb file copying disabled, and the specific answer tunrs out to be "copyright issues". The generic scheme used by all humax receivers is to encrypt recordings with standard des algorithm, using a different private key per receiver. usb transfer then allows decryption by usb transfer, depending on various flags, of which the HD no-copy one was discovered accidentally, it seems. The foxy util. just identifies this, so you don't botch the file making a mistake with a hex editor ...... .... where copyright becomes a bigger issue, on later version receivers with more functionality, further encryption is used. Whether a disk partition or some other scheme, I don't know, but even if u can see the files via ftp, and still transfer them, they will be encrypted. I think all the possible ways of getting round this, including non-encrypting receivers, have been mentioned above! |
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.... i suggested usb video capture because video output should be available on scart, which at worst may be transferred in this way, although highly inconvenient. sd should be acceptable on even a quite large phone screen, if that is what is wanted .......
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