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..... i notice that graham has not had a rant at the other people above who made identical suggestions .........
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i don't know what graham is on about, much of the time .....
! This software is the best DV capture utility I know of (all video editing packages incorporate DV capture). http://www.videohelp.com/software/ScenalyzerLive |
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..... i notice that graham has not had a rant at the other people above who made identical suggestions .........
Foxy will not work with a Foxsat.
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foxy will not work on a foxsat hd, because you cant access the file directly! And would be pointless on the older sd only version, I agree. But is does work where you have direct files access .......
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Which bit did you not understand ? I have explained in some detail why a firewire port is required to capture analogue video and audio using the DV codec. That was the question you asked. This is the highest possible quality available to digitise analogue content. The files are large (20 minutes of video equates to about 4GB of data). Anything longer than this requires a file system capable of files longer than 4GB unless the capture software is capable of splitting the content into multiple files.
This software is the best DV capture utility I know of (all video editing packages incorporate DV capture). http://www.videohelp.com/software/ScenalyzerLive |
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Which bit did you not understand ? I have explained in some detail why a firewire port is required to capture analogue video and audio using the DV codec. That was the question you asked. This is the highest possible quality available to digitise analogue content. The files are large (20 minutes of video equates to about 4GB of data). Anything longer than this requires a file system capable of files longer than 4GB unless the capture software is capable of splitting the content into multiple files.
This software is the best DV capture utility I know of (all video editing packages incorporate DV capture). http://www.videohelp.com/software/ScenalyzerLive |
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..... i think the lesson is, be very careful which tv receiver you buy, if you might want to directly transfer video files from it ............
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foxy will not work on a foxsat hd, because you cant access the file directly! And would be pointless on the older sd only version, I agree. But is does work where you have direct files access .......
A Foxsat-HD can't record anything. The Foxsat-HD is a single tuner Freesat box with absolutely no recording capability. You can easily access the files directly using the custom firmware directly from Windows Explorer, via ftp or using telnet. How hard is it for you to understand that the Freeview boxes encrypt everything they record SD and HD ? They have a built in capability to decrypt SD on copying to USB. The sidecar file .hmt has a flag that determines if a recording is to be decrypted on copying to usb. If the flag is altered in the .hmt file the box decrypts HD as well on copying. The Foxsat-hdr does not use the same .hmt structure. http://myhumax.org/wiki/index.php/Hu...R_File_Formats Note the single byte in the HDR FOX T2 .hmt 0x03DC 1 byte 00 Copy protection 00=Enc, 04=no Enc flag It doesn't need to, SD recordings are made without encryption. HD ones are encrypted and usually have a copy once flag. You can copy either HD or SD recordings to usb. The HD recordings remain encrypted but will play back from usb on the box that recorded it. There is no built in method of decrypting encrypted recordings on a Foxsat-hdr. Therefore Foxy or any other software can not decrypt anything already encrypted. There is two ways of recording HD witjout encryption one of which does not require any additional software. 1 Record the content manually using non-freesat mode 2 Use the settop application patch invented by Nowster. This then records all future HD content without encryption. I so wish you would stop posting this misleading rubbish about kit you clearly don't own and have no idea how they actually work. and clearly can't be bothered to do the slightest bit of research. |
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foxy will not work on a foxsat hd, because you cant access the file directly! And would be pointless on the older sd only version, I agree. But is does work where you have direct files access .......
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why would you want to do that, to watch on a mobile phone ?
But in any case, many want to archive content to DVD or digital files on say a nas server and view on a large screen TV. It's time you joined the 21st century. Intraframe compressed content is very much easier to edit than mpeg compressed content. You can then compress to mpeg2 using a PC which not having to do it in real time, can produce much smaller and higher quality content using vbr encoding. |
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1. the o/p asked "why?", and "is there a way round it?", to which answers are "copyright" and "no".
2. Several other posts had already mentioned usb file copy, analogue video capture, and foxy. I just added a bit more detail, in case o/per was not familiar with these ....... 3. the o/p sorta implies that usb copy is not available, which other posters had ignored, i admit i didn't bother to check either ........ 4. i mentioned older foxsat cos these do allow at least one usb copy on original firmware & more with custom ....... whether hd copy is available is irrelevant. So i just assumed the original foxsat was probably sd only, from the date it first appeared. OK, you got me there. 5. most people wd be quite happy with sd quality on phone. good enough for most practical purposes, including watching during commute etc. EIther from a copied file, or from pal analogue output. bog standard video capture is fine, it gets the full resolution. No doubt there are special gadgets and codecs which will capture to hd standard, but this be specialist stuff for enthusiasts ........ 6 i mentioned that sd copy and foxy work on the freeview 1800. Some people might want to know that. Not only does this show the recordings storage is same as older devices, it also means that future copy disabling via firmware update is unlikely (although not impossible). Certainly it couldnt be implemented same way as on a 1000s since a 2nd des implementation would be needed, with 2nd public/private keys different on each device, and disk encryption. Which can't be done. 7. one way 1000s client only media server. Almost as good as write only memory. as if humax had bred a fine racehorse, then the Freesat Mafia made an offer they couldn't refuse. So they shot the poor thing in the leg, and now best it can do is donkey beach rides for kids. Certainly we're waiting a long time for the server side ....... 8. If analogue out copy wont suffice, then the answer is a new box. I dont see another way. 9. sd is fine for me! and more generally i prefer the 20th century. The 21st looks like being quite nasty ...... |
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..... added ..... yes, obviously all the recordings are encrypted. SInce copying them via ftp - where this is possible ..... doesnt remove the encryption. So locking out usb copy wd stop decryption, although not replaying through the same box ..........
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..... added ..... yes, obviously all the recordings are encrypted. SInce copying them via ftp - where this is possible ..... doesnt remove the encryption. So locking out usb copy wd stop decryption, although not replaying through the same box ..........
![]() 1 You can copy all recordings on a Foxsat-hdr to a usb drive. You don't need any additional software. 2 As SD recordings are not encrypted when recorded to disk they are not of course encrypted when copied to usb. Nor are they encrypted when copied directly to a PC or streamed using the Custom Firmware DLNA server. 3 HD recordings made in Freesat mode are encrypted, so naturally remain encrypted when copied to USB. 4 HD recordings made in non-freesat mode are not encrypted, so naturally remain unencrypted when copying to usb. 5 It's not possible to decrypt existing HD encrypted recordings on a Foxsat-hdr, because the box does not have any software to do this (There is no need as SD recordings are not encrypted when they are recorded). 6 Its possible to decrypt existing HD recordings on the Freeview+ boxes. In fact you can do it in situ( without copying to usb) using a HDR FOX T2. 7 The Freeview+ boxes encrypt everything HD and SD. 8 The box has built in software that will decrypt SD recordings when copied to usb. 9 This capability is enabled within one of the sidecar files which has a single byte controlling this behaviour (.hmt). A native recording on both boxes has a family of files all with the same name but different file extensions (.ts, .nts, .hmt and thm) 10 Foxy merely changes this single byte in a Freeview box to cause the box to decrypt HD on copying to USB. 11 Foxy cannot possibly work on a Foxsat-HDR, there is no capability to decyrypt anything on copying to usb and therefore no byte in the .hmt to modify. 12 This doesn't mean that there are not other flags in a Foxsat-hdr .hmt file that can be usefully patched. One example is the capability to reset the copy once flag that stops you copying a HD recording a 2nd time (like a failed first copy). Your Freeview+ box will stream encrypted SD recordings using the built in DLNA server and they will be viewable (streaming also removes the encryption). You can't stream HD files. A HDR FOX T2 will stream both HD and SD recordings to another HDR FOX T2. (despite the encryption and the remote box having a different encryption key). If you don't understand this what sort of Engineer are you ?
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5. most people wd be quite happy with sd quality on phone. good enough for most practical purposes, including watching during commute etc. EIther from a copied file, or from pal analogue output. bog standard video capture is fine, it gets the full resolution. No doubt there are special gadgets and codecs which will capture to hd standard, but this be specialist stuff for enthusiasts ........
..... 1080p or 720p from services like Amazon Prime, Iplayer, Netflix etc look great. It's perfectly obvious you are not posting from any sort of practical experience. Just trotting out some ill-conceived ideas that you somehow consider to be gospel. Go out and get a recent Samsung Galaxy or Iphone and try for yourself.
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i don't know what graham is on about, much of the time .....
![]() btw Graham, you can do better than DV - you can capture analogue SD video signals losslessly. I wouldn't bother, but there are many capture cards that allow this. DV compression is pretty mild, but there are rare circumstances where it could be worth avoiding it. Cheers, David. |
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We know, but that doesn't reflect badly on Graham
![]() btw Graham, you can do better than DV - you can capture analogue SD video signals losslessly. I wouldn't bother, but there are many capture cards that allow this. DV compression is pretty mild, but there are rare circumstances where it could be worth avoiding it. Cheers, David. |
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if a copied file will play on another device, whether it was encrypred originally doesn't matter. Anyway, all.possible options have been mentioned. Analogue copying means you cant watch anything. Older foxsat doesnt have extra services. Generic sat has timers but no epg. Two sat receivers need 4 antenna cables. A freeview receiver needs roof aerial. Take your pick ........
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grahams guru status wd be more impressive if he'd answered the actual question ......
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[quote=spiney2;77963678. Analogue copying means you cant watch anything. Older foxsat doesnt have extra services. Generic sat has timers but no epg. Two sat receivers need 4 antenna cables..[/QUOTE]
Yet more garbage. What does "Analogue copying means you can't watch anything" mean ? Many Generic Sat receivers have access to a epg, which may be IP delivered or could be the Freesat epg. The number of antenna cables required, depends on the number of tuners they have. Two single tuner generic satellite receivers (which may capable of recording to an internal or external hard disk), only require a single connection for each one. Humax freesat satellite pvrs are capable of using only a single cable and using both tuners. To the user this doesn't affect the way the box is used, though it does of course create more recording combinations that aren't possible. For a first recording from the low band channels which are by far the majority of channels on the Freesat epg, a little less than 50% of the other channels are available for the second tuner to record. If the first recording happens to be a channel with regional variations in the epg, the 2nd channel choice can be extended to around 90% of the remaining channels by merely electing to record one of the other regions with the opposite polarisation to the initial choice. This is explained in more detail (and with links to software) that can identify exactly what is possible after making a first recording channel choice). A completely automatic version exists for those with Microsoft Excel on a PC. http://myhumax.org/forum/topic/what-...-1-or-2-cables |
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grahams guru status wd be more impressive if he'd answered the actual question ......
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if the b0x is playing back a pr0gramme f0r analgue 0utput recrding, then it is tied up while d0ing that. fairly 0bvi0usly.
if u kn0w a generic receiver which gets freesat epg then just name it.That is useful inf0, which im sure the 0/p-er w0uld appreciate ....... yes i kn0w the humax can single cable r0ute as can m0st freesat pvr but we may assume the 0p-er has a standard lnb. |
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What question would that be. If you mean the one posed in the thread title. I already have for the boxes I have personal experience of. There may be others (Ones from Digital Stream come to mind). Not having ever used one, not in a position to comment. Unlike you I do not post information on kit I don't have any detailed knowledge of. The actual complete answer to the thread title isn't straight forward as I have attempted to explain. Just because you don't understand the answers is down to you.
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i take it the 0p-er wants a minimum c0st and disrupti0n s0luti0n, and menti0ning expensive es0teric p0ssibilities is n0t really relevant ......
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i have said b0th sd c0pying and f0xy w0rk 0n the freeview 1800. als0 presumably the 2000 althugh i d0nt 0wn 0ne.
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if the b0x is playing back a pr0gramme f0r analgue 0utput recrding, then it is tied up while d0ing that. fairly 0bvi0usly.
if u kn0w a generic receiver which gets freesat epg then just name it.That is useful inf0, which im sure the 0/p-er w0uld appreciate ....... yes i kn0w the humax can single cable r0ute as can m0st freesat pvr but we may assume the 0p-er has a standard lnb. ![]() It would seem pretty obvious to anyone with the slightest amount of common sense, you would copy recorded content when the box wasn't being used for anything else. Are you incapable of using a search engine ? Two seconds found this link. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1902117 |
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