Wait. Is that song linked in the youtube clip the one that was removed from the DVDs? I can't be arsed to dig out my COE DVD but on Netflix that soundtrack is exactly as it is in that clip...

Yep, removed from the DVD and the Blu-ray and replaced with this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcuko6Y7QE0

...they used an extended version of that on the DVD, and it was just so jarringly different. The original music from the Youtube clip, Netflix and so on wasn't released on the soundtrack either and was only used the once.

Well as I say it's been a while since I've watched the DVD version I have so either I totally missed the change or it only registered subconciously. But what an appallingly stupid decision that is in every way possible. The original version is perfect. God only knows why they didn't leave it alone.

I understand certain shows have had issues with music rights when it comes to DVD release etc such as Skins and Being Human but this is an original composition so you have to assume its just bad taste on the part of someone somewhere. Part of the reason COE is and was so powerful was the fact it struck such a good balance between action and true drama and moments such as that were only enhanced by the soundtrack. Whoever it is who thought that sequence would in any way benefit from a more lively and action style score is a cloth earred idiot who should quite frankly never work in such an area again. It's an offensively bad move and goes to show how important the entire composition of such scenes is.

^ Agreed

For many such a change not only doesn't register, but actually doesn't matter. But I notice these things, and I just can't help it. I can notice the way something is acted, how it is filmed, how it sounds and how it's scored. I can genuinely see how they've gotten more ambitious and creative with their camerawork in the shows over the years, and the score is just another important cog to me.

Oddly they did actually reference the change in music on the case itself I believe. If I recall correctly (and here's me, not even being bothered to dig out my Blu-ray) the back cover actually reads something at the bottom about 'some music in episode 5 differs from that which was broadcast', or something to that effect. It seems bizarre to mention it on the case itself, but something that makes me thing it might indeed be a rights issue - I'm not sure why, as I'm pretty sure the woman who contributes the lamenting vocals in the broadcast version also contributed across the soundtrack including in this track - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9lciw6qhMI

The saddest thing is that any music from Torchwood that has never been released is even less likely than the Doctor Who music that remains unreleased ever being made available.

I'm amazed that I hadn't noticed the change or the decision to make that change - the original vocal fits the emotional tone so well and the replacement is so... meh.

Assuming both versions are original compositions for the episode, maybe the rights issue is that the vocalist was signed to another record label?

IIRC, they used a different singer on the CDs for some earlier songs too.

I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt that it is purely some silly rights issue rather than some horrendous Lucas-esque post release creative fiddling about. The abscence from the soundtrack suggests as such. And now you've mentioned it that's where it had been nagging away at me most. I remember buying the soundtrack album as soon as it was released and being super pissed that it wasn't on there. That obviously registered more than the change on DVD. A shame all round really though. One assumes it will never be remedied.

I recall getting the soundtrack back in 2009 and being massively disappointed at its absence. I wasn't too bothered as I thought, at least it'll still be on the DVD's and such. To find it was gone from there as well was doubly frustrating.

Judging by the continued success of Doctor Who's soundtracks (now 3 discs per series?!) I'm hoping that whilst this Children of Earth music issue won't be remedied, there's less of a chance of issues like this in future as they invest more and more in the releases.
Then again, my favourite track was missing from the Series 7 soundtrack and there's now a chance they've taken the vocals out of the Last Christmas score as well for Series 8. I guess only time will tell.

Press copies sent out - Foxes removed and five other tracks from the leaked version, don't know which.

Do you know if Every Christmas has the vocals?

I can ask.

I'm disappointed that this isn't on it, too. On top of the ramped up 12's theme.

I am saddened. Three discs and I still don't get the two tracks I was looking forward to

That Into the Dalek piece you posted sounds like a cross between Torchwood and the track "It's Him" from The Day of the Doctor soundtrack.

It's peculiar, considering that Murray apparently checks out what "Unreleased Music" proves popular ahead of release to help determine which tracks will make each soundtrack.

Depending on whether the vocals are included on Every Christmas Is Last Christmas, I may be facing the prospect of three consecutive disappointing series soundtracks for Doctor Who. The Series 6 one was missing some impressive cues (Day of the Moon - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Vj0PSQ_-0&t=34s ), Series 7 was missing pieces from the most important moments in the series, and Series 8 is missing some real highlights including Foxes (not devastating, as it's available elsewhere) and is offering second-best versions of other tracks.

Full track list

They ain't afriad.
But how about all the music from series 1-4 that didn't get released?
For example-
Non-human- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DLKKezlh3k&
Juddon arrive- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4lpk89Ufzg&
The Skasis Paradigm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sIKIQZ7C5o
Girl In the fireplace suite- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmyhjvIR5Ys&index=31&

There even more if you wish to look

And also some of the music that was on the leaked soundtrack didn't make the offical cut
IE, 'You are a good Dalek' 'They've been here the whole time' as well as some others

If you compared this list- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC1PSgJUUAE5hhb.png:large
To the full one- http://merchandise.thedoctorwhosite....-8-soundtrack/

Might just cancel my order, if they're not willing to put all the tracks on the FULL series 8 soundtrack I'm not willing to buy it. Arrrrrrrrr

3 discs from 13 episodes isn't bad.

I'm holding out hope still. The leaked version seems to have come from a site where composers share their music, so there's a chance the vocals may have been removed from that so that the focus was on the music of the track itself.


When it came to the earlier series I could excuse the absence of notable tracks, as there was a clearly smaller investment in the soundtracks. Only through successful sales and increased exposure, and a growing public interest in movie/TV scores have the CD's become more expansive.

The RTD Era soundtracks were typically restricted to far less tracks per series. Series 1 and 2 had to share a disc between them! Whilst regrettable that much of the score got missed out (there was a lot of stuff from Series 1 and 2 that deserved a release that never was - Father's Day and The Girl in the Fireplace being the two most notable examples for me, though there are more) it was more due to capability than because of a creative decision not to release them.

Now we're getting two discs a series, plus a dedicated disc to each Christmas special as well! It seems ridiculous to find major cues to episodes (particularly those that have invested in full-on choirs or actual singers for their efforts - Day of the Moon and Mummy on the Orient Express for example) missing from such an extensive release. Perhaps worse still this time around seems to be the possibility that for creative reasons they've actually removed the vocals from one of the most demanded tracks for Series 8, so even the tracks that are included don't match up with their sound on the show.

It's like when you hear a fan-rendition of a track. Some are genuinely very good, these "Doomsday on keyboard" vids you see about and such. Occasionally some match the quality of the in-show versions, but the fact of the matter is that a score is meant to evoke the same sensations as watching the show does, without a visual distraction. A track like Every Christmas Is Last Christmas was part of a very optimistic, hopeful scene and the music itself contributed to that massively. The non-vocal version is good, in the same way a fan vid is - it's its own thing, but it's not the score for the episode as you wanted it, and it's a different product to what you heard the first time and considered purchasing. It's not evoking the same sensation.

I guess the same can be said for the soundtrack changes to Torchwood: Children of Earth which have been discussed a bit on this thread. Whether you do or don't like the music used near the end of Day Five on the home media release, the fact is that it doesn't evoke the same sensation as the original music, and so for those who buy a soundtrack in the hope of getting a soundtrack as it was - then it's ultimately very disappointing.

Surely quality over quantity though? It could be five or six discs, to alter and omit the most in-demand tracks (as determined by the general response to the leaks, the comments on news websites about the OST release etc.) is going to detriment the quality of the final product.

I was lucky enough to hear the leaked information and tracks before making a pre-order. With my favourite track (probably from Doctor Who in its entirety) possibly altered and the Foxes track not being included, as well as other notable omissions I'm actually quite miffed and will wait for the soundtrack to come down in price before I even consider buying it.

They have a month till release and I can imagine Murray has been notified about people being upset that the vocals have been removed so I live in hope they will be in the official release. It seems like Foxes only appeared on Doctor Who so she could advertise her Don't Stop Me Now single which will no doubt be part of her next album.

Regarding Foxes, it's not something I blame Murray Gold for if it's missing, but rather those in charge of securing rights to those sorts of things (as I presume the absence of the track is more of a technicality than a creative decision in this instance). This is the BBC, and I really think with effort they could have come to an arrangement. The idea that I have to purchase her album seperately, or at least a digital copy of the track, is somewhat frustrating. And it's not been a problem in the past - Katherine Jenkins sang for A Christmas Carol and Silence Is All You Know was released on both a Doctor Who soundtrack, and her own album. Her Doctor Who rendition of In The Bleak Midwinter wasn't released at all any where, but she sings it on one of her albums also.

And I'm hoping too that something is done about those vocals, if indeed they are missing from the planned home media release

Has anything like this happened in the past? There are some songs in Doctor Who I just can't imagine without the vocals, Vale Dacem and Together Or Not At All being two examples.

I was massively disappointed that the vocal track that played in River's final scene in the Series 7 finale was omitted from the soundtrack. It was such a nice rendition, heard a few times before as well quite possibly, but in a very pivotal scene that proved to be the heart of the story. And there it wasn't. You can listen to fragments of it within the Series 6 soundtrack as it seemed to sample cues used in The Wedding of River Song, but it just wasn't the same.

There's been a few other changes in the past as well, though none as seemingly frustrating. Song For Ten, used in The Christmas Invasion was resung by the same man who sang Love Don't Roam for The Runaway Bride a year later, I believe again because of potential rights issues.

But generally speaking this hasn't happened...tracks either haven't been included at all or have been included "as is". In fact The Specials Soundtrack went even further and included a powerful vocal piece titled 'Vale' that Murray Gold thought was awesome, but wasn't even used in the episodes in the end!

This went even futher with the 'Day of the doctor' Soundtrack
With tracks like
The second part of 'IM Foreman'
'He was there'
'We are the doctors'
'Home'
Not being used in the episode, but still getting released. The reason of course being they were meant to be used, but got replaced with other music.

Yep, and I suspect they needed to bulk out the disc as well... a soundtrack based around a single episode of the show, even if it's extended is quite a tough sell. But apparently us fans like our merchandise

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On a note of slight hope towards those of us who like the Every Christmas Is Last Christmas track with vocals, the unreleased fan upload taken from the episode has been removed from Youtube. That might sound like an odd thing to describe as 'hopeful', but these things are usually removed after the music is found to be in breach of copyright of an actual product (which is why many Youtuber's alter the pitch of music before uploading as it becomes harder to detect it)...which makes me think a vocal version of the track may be on the cards. Unreleased DW music is seldom taken down from Youtube as it is, and Murray Gold has even okayed it himself, so it seems bizarrely coincidental for it to suddenly disappear after all these months unless it's part of a soundtrack being embargoed or some such, and its audio matches that of a track that's on the way.

Just speculation, but it's a good sign.

Still got the link here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhSnPfo_xM
Not removed
' This video contains content from The Orchard Music , who has blocked it on copyright grounds. '
Some of his other Series 8 videos have also been blocked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC4YdlBxORk&index=6&
Like this epic bit of music from Flatline

And also, 'John Smith' Who has lots of music remixes and stuff has had some of his taken down
Claras love theme- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zcqiPBe6rg&index=7& Blocked
12th doctor theme remixed- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBQA3u0td2w& BLOCKED

Taking down the soundtracks was one thing, but taking down the Music taken directly from the episodes themselves? That is just taking the piss

Re the missing vocal tracks. I think it must have something to do with the artist who sings them, or their managment or music publisher. As an example, all of the Daniel Craig Bond soundtracks are missing the theme song, yet all the previous Bond soundtracks include the theme songs. I'm guessing that this is done so that if the collector wants the song, they have to purchase it seperately thus increasing the coffers of the publisher/artist.