Its far too slow and really annoying, I wouldn't mind that with some storylines but not every single one of them, a balance is needed which is missing at the moment.
EE - Is the slow burn effect starting to kill the storytelling?
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Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“I think DTC's whole approach to pacing the show is awful, and has been since last spring. Storylines are slow paced, but not in the traditional sense of having a slow build up, they literally stop and start only to have developments happen off screen.
Denise hitting Patrick was so random, and just casually brushed aside. I still don't get the point of making Denise an abuser for a couple of episodes, as it all played out off screen. The same for her drinking problem, which seems to have been wrapped up? Patrick constantly seems to be left on his own, despite needing 24 hour care.
Characters pop up and disappear again for months on end. Sometimes, the characters will appear, but their story won't. The last time we saw Ben/Abi/Jay, Jay was blasting Abi for being stupid, and nearly outing Ben, but the next time we see them, they appear to have moved on. This group is a solid example of a group of characters having a story which never develops - it literally is going nowhere fast, and that's been the case since last year.
Ronnie had woken from her coma, then she hadn't, now she's improving off screen, apparently. Who know? We never see her. We never see a lot of characters.
The Carters have so many storylines, and none of them have really reached a decent conclusion. They seem to rotate their storylines every month. Right now it's all about Stan dying, which means Dean continues to be MIA; Mick and Shirley haven't really followed up on her being his mother; Nancy and Tamwar started something, but that's fallen off screen again; Lee had anger issues for a week, and nothing more. What's going on with Linda's rape case and questioning her unborn baby's paternity?
After Carol was given the all clear last summer, she started showing signs of struggling with the aftermath, but that story disappeared for months, only to be resurrected and concluded a couple of weeks ago, but by that time, I had forgotten all about it, and didn't really care. Carol certainly hadn't shown any signs of struggling in the previous months.
Why does Cindy want to randomly give up Beth, now? How does Ian and Jane wanting to adopt her serve any real purpose?
Mas is gambling, but I don't know what for - to buy the restaurant? Has that been forgotten? I guess it's all about his gambling addiction, now.
Will Shabnam's secret serve any real purpose?
Will Stacey's key have any real purpose?
Will Whitney trying to find Ryan, only to randomly give up have any real purpose?
Will Pam ever reveal who she killed? (I really don't recall if she told Billy the identity on screen.)
I guess Dot will only be appearing for one episode every two weeks until her story finally moves forward.
New characters are introduced, then disappear, only to reappear and still never get developed until months later. It hurts the show when they end up being front burner, and no-one really cares about them, b/c we haven't seen them. It's silly that it has taken so long for Donna to get any decent development, and the same for Shabnam really. And Martin should have been on screen long before now, so he could interact with other characters at a natural pace.
All of this stop and start pacing, slow introduction of characters ruins all momentum. It's so easy to lose interest in characters and their stories. If they don't have an actor for a while, then don't use them for a couple of episodes, then drop them for months. The pacing needs to be faster, but not Hollyoaks' breakneck speed, and plot points need to develop on screen. Stories need to develop organically, without feeling like they're happening at a certain time simply b/c it's Christmas/New year/September/etc, etc. This is all too obvious now.
I don't think a producer should be throwing out quotes to the media every few months. Producers very rarely did interviews in the past, and viewers survived without them. Sometimes, I think some producers are too involved with the media/Twitter, etc, etc, and should concentrate more on producing their shows.”
“I think DTC's whole approach to pacing the show is awful, and has been since last spring. Storylines are slow paced, but not in the traditional sense of having a slow build up, they literally stop and start only to have developments happen off screen.
Denise hitting Patrick was so random, and just casually brushed aside. I still don't get the point of making Denise an abuser for a couple of episodes, as it all played out off screen. The same for her drinking problem, which seems to have been wrapped up? Patrick constantly seems to be left on his own, despite needing 24 hour care.
Characters pop up and disappear again for months on end. Sometimes, the characters will appear, but their story won't. The last time we saw Ben/Abi/Jay, Jay was blasting Abi for being stupid, and nearly outing Ben, but the next time we see them, they appear to have moved on. This group is a solid example of a group of characters having a story which never develops - it literally is going nowhere fast, and that's been the case since last year.
Ronnie had woken from her coma, then she hadn't, now she's improving off screen, apparently. Who know? We never see her. We never see a lot of characters.
The Carters have so many storylines, and none of them have really reached a decent conclusion. They seem to rotate their storylines every month. Right now it's all about Stan dying, which means Dean continues to be MIA; Mick and Shirley haven't really followed up on her being his mother; Nancy and Tamwar started something, but that's fallen off screen again; Lee had anger issues for a week, and nothing more. What's going on with Linda's rape case and questioning her unborn baby's paternity?
After Carol was given the all clear last summer, she started showing signs of struggling with the aftermath, but that story disappeared for months, only to be resurrected and concluded a couple of weeks ago, but by that time, I had forgotten all about it, and didn't really care. Carol certainly hadn't shown any signs of struggling in the previous months.
Why does Cindy want to randomly give up Beth, now? How does Ian and Jane wanting to adopt her serve any real purpose?
Mas is gambling, but I don't know what for - to buy the restaurant? Has that been forgotten? I guess it's all about his gambling addiction, now.
Will Shabnam's secret serve any real purpose?
Will Stacey's key have any real purpose?
Will Whitney trying to find Ryan, only to randomly give up have any real purpose?
Will Pam ever reveal who she killed? (I really don't recall if she told Billy the identity on screen.)
I guess Dot will only be appearing for one episode every two weeks until her story finally moves forward.
New characters are introduced, then disappear, only to reappear and still never get developed until months later. It hurts the show when they end up being front burner, and no-one really cares about them, b/c we haven't seen them. It's silly that it has taken so long for Donna to get any decent development, and the same for Shabnam really. And Martin should have been on screen long before now, so he could interact with other characters at a natural pace.
All of this stop and start pacing, slow introduction of characters ruins all momentum. It's so easy to lose interest in characters and their stories. If they don't have an actor for a while, then don't use them for a couple of episodes, then drop them for months. The pacing needs to be faster, but not Hollyoaks' breakneck speed, and plot points need to develop on screen. Stories need to develop organically, without feeling like they're happening at a certain time simply b/c it's Christmas/New year/September/etc, etc. This is all too obvious now.
I don't think a producer should be throwing out quotes to the media every few months. Producers very rarely did interviews in the past, and viewers survived without them. Sometimes, I think some producers are too involved with the media/Twitter, etc, etc, and should concentrate more on producing their shows.”
I agree with this post. I'm thinking that stuff like Nancy/Tamwar and the Masood storyline might start again, after the Stan and Kat storyline finish.
It's a bit annoying when you get into a storyline and then there isn't any progress for ages.
I know what you mean Harlowe but I would say its more an issue of stop start, fade in and out plotlines as opposed to slow burns. I also think some plot conclusions have been questionable.
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“I think DTC's whole approach to pacing the show is awful, and has been since last spring. Storylines are slow paced, but not in the traditional sense of having a slow build up, they literally stop and start only to have developments happen off screen.
Denise hitting Patrick was so random, and just casually brushed aside. I still don't get the point of making Denise an abuser for a couple of episodes, as it all played out off screen. The same for her drinking problem, which seems to have been wrapped up? Patrick constantly seems to be left on his own, despite needing 24 hour care.
Characters pop up and disappear again for months on end. Sometimes, the characters will appear, but their story won't. The last time we saw Ben/Abi/Jay, Jay was blasting Abi for being stupid, and nearly outing Ben, but the next time we see them, they appear to have moved on. This group is a solid example of a group of characters having a story which never develops - it literally is going nowhere fast, and that's been the case since last year.
Ronnie had woken from her coma, then she hadn't, now she's improving off screen, apparently. Who know? We never see her. We never see a lot of characters.
The Carters have so many storylines, and none of them have really reached a decent conclusion. They seem to rotate their storylines every month. Right now it's all about Stan dying, which means Dean continues to be MIA; Mick and Shirley haven't really followed up on her being his mother; Nancy and Tamwar started something, but that's fallen off screen again; Lee had anger issues for a week, and nothing more. What's going on with Linda's rape case and questioning her unborn baby's paternity?
After Carol was given the all clear last summer, she started showing signs of struggling with the aftermath, but that story disappeared for months, only to be resurrected and concluded a couple of weeks ago, but by that time, I had forgotten all about it, and didn't really care. Carol certainly hadn't shown any signs of struggling in the previous months.
Why does Cindy want to randomly give up Beth, now? How does Ian and Jane wanting to adopt her serve any real purpose?
Mas is gambling, but I don't know what for - to buy the restaurant? Has that been forgotten? I guess it's all about his gambling addiction, now.
Will Shabnam's secret serve any real purpose?
Will Stacey's key have any real purpose?
Will Whitney trying to find Ryan, only to randomly give up have any real purpose?
Will Pam ever reveal who she killed? (I really don't recall if she told Billy the identity on screen.)
I guess Dot will only be appearing for one episode every two weeks until her story finally moves forward.
New characters are introduced, then disappear, only to reappear and still never get developed until months later. It hurts the show when they end up being front burner, and no-one really cares about them, b/c we haven't seen them. It's silly that it has taken so long for Donna to get any decent development, and the same for Shabnam really. And Martin should have been on screen long before now, so he could interact with other characters at a natural pace.
All of this stop and start pacing, slow introduction of characters ruins all momentum. It's so easy to lose interest in characters and their stories. If they don't have an actor for a while, then don't use them for a couple of episodes, then drop them for months. The pacing needs to be faster, but not Hollyoaks' breakneck speed, and plot points need to develop on screen. Stories need to develop organically, without feeling like they're happening at a certain time simply b/c it's Christmas/New year/September/etc, etc. This is all too obvious now.
I don't think a producer should be throwing out quotes to the media every few months. Producers very rarely did interviews in the past, and viewers survived without them. Sometimes, I think some producers are too involved with the media/Twitter, etc, etc, and should concentrate more on producing their shows.”
“I think DTC's whole approach to pacing the show is awful, and has been since last spring. Storylines are slow paced, but not in the traditional sense of having a slow build up, they literally stop and start only to have developments happen off screen.
Denise hitting Patrick was so random, and just casually brushed aside. I still don't get the point of making Denise an abuser for a couple of episodes, as it all played out off screen. The same for her drinking problem, which seems to have been wrapped up? Patrick constantly seems to be left on his own, despite needing 24 hour care.
Characters pop up and disappear again for months on end. Sometimes, the characters will appear, but their story won't. The last time we saw Ben/Abi/Jay, Jay was blasting Abi for being stupid, and nearly outing Ben, but the next time we see them, they appear to have moved on. This group is a solid example of a group of characters having a story which never develops - it literally is going nowhere fast, and that's been the case since last year.
Ronnie had woken from her coma, then she hadn't, now she's improving off screen, apparently. Who know? We never see her. We never see a lot of characters.
The Carters have so many storylines, and none of them have really reached a decent conclusion. They seem to rotate their storylines every month. Right now it's all about Stan dying, which means Dean continues to be MIA; Mick and Shirley haven't really followed up on her being his mother; Nancy and Tamwar started something, but that's fallen off screen again; Lee had anger issues for a week, and nothing more. What's going on with Linda's rape case and questioning her unborn baby's paternity?
After Carol was given the all clear last summer, she started showing signs of struggling with the aftermath, but that story disappeared for months, only to be resurrected and concluded a couple of weeks ago, but by that time, I had forgotten all about it, and didn't really care. Carol certainly hadn't shown any signs of struggling in the previous months.
Why does Cindy want to randomly give up Beth, now? How does Ian and Jane wanting to adopt her serve any real purpose?
Mas is gambling, but I don't know what for - to buy the restaurant? Has that been forgotten? I guess it's all about his gambling addiction, now.
Will Shabnam's secret serve any real purpose?
Will Stacey's key have any real purpose?
Will Whitney trying to find Ryan, only to randomly give up have any real purpose?
Will Pam ever reveal who she killed? (I really don't recall if she told Billy the identity on screen.)
I guess Dot will only be appearing for one episode every two weeks until her story finally moves forward.
New characters are introduced, then disappear, only to reappear and still never get developed until months later. It hurts the show when they end up being front burner, and no-one really cares about them, b/c we haven't seen them. It's silly that it has taken so long for Donna to get any decent development, and the same for Shabnam really. And Martin should have been on screen long before now, so he could interact with other characters at a natural pace.
All of this stop and start pacing, slow introduction of characters ruins all momentum. It's so easy to lose interest in characters and their stories. If they don't have an actor for a while, then don't use them for a couple of episodes, then drop them for months. The pacing needs to be faster, but not Hollyoaks' breakneck speed, and plot points need to develop on screen. Stories need to develop organically, without feeling like they're happening at a certain time simply b/c it's Christmas/New year/September/etc, etc. This is all too obvious now.
I don't think a producer should be throwing out quotes to the media every few months. Producers very rarely did interviews in the past, and viewers survived without them. Sometimes, I think some producers are too involved with the media/Twitter, etc, etc, and should concentrate more on producing their shows.”
Brilliant post. It's been one of DTC's biggest faults for a while and I'm glad others are starting to see it. It's hard to invest in a storyline and characters when they keep vanishing off screen for weeks.
I think the panto leave has got to end, commit or go
The slow burn introduction has plusses and minuses, I don't know why Richard Blackwood had to appear in live week and then disappear, Buster and Ellen are currently in limbo.
The slow burn introduction has plusses and minuses, I don't know why Richard Blackwood had to appear in live week and then disappear, Buster and Ellen are currently in limbo.
Originally Posted by dd68:
“I think the panto leave has got to end, commit or go
The slow burn introduction has plusses and minuses, I don't know why Richard Blackwood had to appear in live week and then disappear, Buster and Ellen are currently in limbo.”
“I think the panto leave has got to end, commit or go
The slow burn introduction has plusses and minuses, I don't know why Richard Blackwood had to appear in live week and then disappear, Buster and Ellen are currently in limbo.”
I guess soaps seem to be lenient with panto leave because they see it as indirect advertising for the show.
Yeah, the storyline with Pam's husband (I forgot his name) and Donna's foster mum will probably take a while too.
Eastenders is all over the place at the minute. No consistency, continuity or satisfaction from any of the stories.
Yes and no.
On one respect, sometimes a storyline needs to be slow moving, so we can properly focus on the characters and how they are being affected by it. I'd rather have DTC's style of story telling than, say, Kirkwood, with an explosion every week and characters turning gay/into serial killers for no reason, just for drama. When DTC sets things up that won't get paid off for months, at least you know planning has gone into it.
The truth is, it is starting to get annoying now. Just look at the track record: Stan only appeared in a hand full of episodes before a full introduction, Dean was the same, Martin appeared once in December then wasn't seen again until February and as for Stacey... if we had to have one more "OMG It's Stacey!!" duff duff last year, I may have gone slowly insane. The Dean missing storyline has dragged to the point where I don't really care anymore. The Who Killed Lucy storyline, while with a tremendous start and conclusion, really started to drag after a while, with it simply disappearing for weeks on end, turning up now and again, then vanishing again. It provided a good storyline to base live week round, but seriously didn't need to be ten months long.
Long running storylines are good, but they need to be justifyingly long, not long for the sake of it/because you let half your cast do other things for ten months out of the year (I simply have no idea why Samantha Janus bothered to come back to EE, as she's clearly very committed elsewhere).
This type of story telling also made March a damn near awful month for the show. I know that the live episode meant Kathy's return and the Bobby reveal could not be referenced, but couple it with panto era and you were left with a seriously underwhelming group of storylines, which after such promise and build up in live week, was a massive let down. Live week left you feeling like there was bundles of stuff to come, with loads of foreshadowing, unanswered questions and new characters to see. March gave us absolutely nothing.
Richard Blackwood's character is a mystery to me. He appears in a few scenes in live week, seems very interesting... and has not been seen since. Not a peep. Of all the problems the March episodes were going to face, this would have been the perfect solution to it. Introduce us to Vincent. Give us some detail about him. He's supposed to be a major new villain... where the hell is he?
I do think it's getting taken a bit far now, and needs toning down a bit. It's getting to the point where, when anything interesting is promised to happen, I just roll my eyes as I know it won't be addressed or seen on screen for at least six months. This would be fine if there was some other good stuff running along side it. March gave us nothing. Let's hope April does better.
On one respect, sometimes a storyline needs to be slow moving, so we can properly focus on the characters and how they are being affected by it. I'd rather have DTC's style of story telling than, say, Kirkwood, with an explosion every week and characters turning gay/into serial killers for no reason, just for drama. When DTC sets things up that won't get paid off for months, at least you know planning has gone into it.
The truth is, it is starting to get annoying now. Just look at the track record: Stan only appeared in a hand full of episodes before a full introduction, Dean was the same, Martin appeared once in December then wasn't seen again until February and as for Stacey... if we had to have one more "OMG It's Stacey!!" duff duff last year, I may have gone slowly insane. The Dean missing storyline has dragged to the point where I don't really care anymore. The Who Killed Lucy storyline, while with a tremendous start and conclusion, really started to drag after a while, with it simply disappearing for weeks on end, turning up now and again, then vanishing again. It provided a good storyline to base live week round, but seriously didn't need to be ten months long.
Long running storylines are good, but they need to be justifyingly long, not long for the sake of it/because you let half your cast do other things for ten months out of the year (I simply have no idea why Samantha Janus bothered to come back to EE, as she's clearly very committed elsewhere).
This type of story telling also made March a damn near awful month for the show. I know that the live episode meant Kathy's return and the Bobby reveal could not be referenced, but couple it with panto era and you were left with a seriously underwhelming group of storylines, which after such promise and build up in live week, was a massive let down. Live week left you feeling like there was bundles of stuff to come, with loads of foreshadowing, unanswered questions and new characters to see. March gave us absolutely nothing.
Richard Blackwood's character is a mystery to me. He appears in a few scenes in live week, seems very interesting... and has not been seen since. Not a peep. Of all the problems the March episodes were going to face, this would have been the perfect solution to it. Introduce us to Vincent. Give us some detail about him. He's supposed to be a major new villain... where the hell is he?
I do think it's getting taken a bit far now, and needs toning down a bit. It's getting to the point where, when anything interesting is promised to happen, I just roll my eyes as I know it won't be addressed or seen on screen for at least six months. This would be fine if there was some other good stuff running along side it. March gave us nothing. Let's hope April does better.
Originally Posted by lordo350:
“Yes and no.
On one respect, sometimes a storyline needs to be slow moving, so we can properly focus on the characters and how they are being affected by it. I'd rather have DTC's style of story telling than, say, Kirkwood, with an explosion every week and characters turning gay/into serial killers for no reason, just for drama. When DTC sets things up that won't get paid off for months, at least you know planning has gone into it.
The truth is, it is starting to get annoying now. Just look at the track record: Stan only appeared in a hand full of episodes before a full introduction, Dean was the same, Martin appeared once in December then wasn't seen again until February and as for Stacey... if we had to have one more "OMG It's Stacey!!" duff duff last year, I may have gone slowly insane. The Dean missing storyline has dragged to the point where I don't really care anymore. The Who Killed Lucy storyline, while with a tremendous start and conclusion, really started to drag after a while, with it simply disappearing for weeks on end, turning up now and again, then vanishing again. It provided a good storyline to base live week round, but seriously didn't need to be ten months long.
Long running storylines are good, but they need to be justifyingly long, not long for the sake of it/because you let half your cast do other things for ten months out of the year (I simply have no idea why Samantha Janus bothered to come back to EE, as she's clearly very committed elsewhere).
This type of story telling also made March a damn near awful month for the show. I know that the live episode meant Kathy's return and the Bobby reveal could not be referenced, but couple it with panto era and you were left with a seriously underwhelming group of storylines, which after such promise and build up in live week, was a massive let down. Live week left you feeling like there was bundles of stuff to come, with loads of foreshadowing, unanswered questions and new characters to see. March gave us absolutely nothing.
Richard Blackwood's character is a mystery to me. He appears in a few scenes in live week, seems very interesting... and has not been seen since. Not a peep. Of all the problems the March episodes were going to face, this would have been the perfect solution to it. Introduce us to Vincent. Give us some detail about him. He's supposed to be a major new villain... where the hell is he?
I do think it's getting taken a bit far now, and needs toning down a bit. It's getting to the point where, when anything interesting is promised to happen, I just roll my eyes as I know it won't be addressed or seen on screen for at least six months. This would be fine if there was some other good stuff running along side it. March gave us nothing. Let's hope April does better.”
“Yes and no.
On one respect, sometimes a storyline needs to be slow moving, so we can properly focus on the characters and how they are being affected by it. I'd rather have DTC's style of story telling than, say, Kirkwood, with an explosion every week and characters turning gay/into serial killers for no reason, just for drama. When DTC sets things up that won't get paid off for months, at least you know planning has gone into it.
The truth is, it is starting to get annoying now. Just look at the track record: Stan only appeared in a hand full of episodes before a full introduction, Dean was the same, Martin appeared once in December then wasn't seen again until February and as for Stacey... if we had to have one more "OMG It's Stacey!!" duff duff last year, I may have gone slowly insane. The Dean missing storyline has dragged to the point where I don't really care anymore. The Who Killed Lucy storyline, while with a tremendous start and conclusion, really started to drag after a while, with it simply disappearing for weeks on end, turning up now and again, then vanishing again. It provided a good storyline to base live week round, but seriously didn't need to be ten months long.
Long running storylines are good, but they need to be justifyingly long, not long for the sake of it/because you let half your cast do other things for ten months out of the year (I simply have no idea why Samantha Janus bothered to come back to EE, as she's clearly very committed elsewhere).
This type of story telling also made March a damn near awful month for the show. I know that the live episode meant Kathy's return and the Bobby reveal could not be referenced, but couple it with panto era and you were left with a seriously underwhelming group of storylines, which after such promise and build up in live week, was a massive let down. Live week left you feeling like there was bundles of stuff to come, with loads of foreshadowing, unanswered questions and new characters to see. March gave us absolutely nothing.
Richard Blackwood's character is a mystery to me. He appears in a few scenes in live week, seems very interesting... and has not been seen since. Not a peep. Of all the problems the March episodes were going to face, this would have been the perfect solution to it. Introduce us to Vincent. Give us some detail about him. He's supposed to be a major new villain... where the hell is he?
I do think it's getting taken a bit far now, and needs toning down a bit. It's getting to the point where, when anything interesting is promised to happen, I just roll my eyes as I know it won't be addressed or seen on screen for at least six months. This would be fine if there was some other good stuff running along side it. March gave us nothing. Let's hope April does better.”
You've summed it up perfectly, especially your last paragraph.
March has been a drop out and the empty pockets of slow progression is quickly killing my enthusiasm for any potential storylines, if they offered us a crumb or too it might make it a tad easier but it doesn't. we need sub-plot storylines that can be as equally interesting and good to run along side the bigger long term ones.
Originally Posted by joe gillott:
“That's not the problem imo.
He only focuses on his favorite characters.
He block storytells
This stupid slow introduction stuff
No interviews which a lot of fans like to read from a producer
Too lenient with how many of the main cast go on breaks at the same time. Minor characters haven't got the fan base to carry the show on yet as the weeks after live have proved and they could of had their stories beginning sooner.
Too many mick and linda scenes”
“That's not the problem imo.
He only focuses on his favorite characters.
He block storytells
This stupid slow introduction stuff
No interviews which a lot of fans like to read from a producer
Too lenient with how many of the main cast go on breaks at the same time. Minor characters haven't got the fan base to carry the show on yet as the weeks after live have proved and they could of had their stories beginning sooner.
Too many mick and linda scenes”
This .
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“You've summed it up perfectly, especially your last paragraph.
March has been a drop out and the empty pockets of slow progression is quickly killing my enthusiasm for any potential storylines, if they offered us a crumb or too it might make it a tad easier but it doesn't. we need sub-plot storylines that can be as equally interesting and good to run along side the bigger long term ones.”
“You've summed it up perfectly, especially your last paragraph.
March has been a drop out and the empty pockets of slow progression is quickly killing my enthusiasm for any potential storylines, if they offered us a crumb or too it might make it a tad easier but it doesn't. we need sub-plot storylines that can be as equally interesting and good to run along side the bigger long term ones.”
I think the timing was far from ideal in the sense that a good solid 2 weeks of episodes after anniversary week was a brilliant opportunity to hook new viewers or casual/returning viewers back to the show but alas I don't sense they really tried to do this.
Frustrating
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“I think the timing was far from ideal in the sense that a good solid 2 weeks of episodes after anniversary week was a brilliant opportunity to hook new viewers or casual/returning viewers back to the show but alas I don't sense they really tried to do this.
Frustrating”
“I think the timing was far from ideal in the sense that a good solid 2 weeks of episodes after anniversary week was a brilliant opportunity to hook new viewers or casual/returning viewers back to the show but alas I don't sense they really tried to do this.
Frustrating”
True it's been nearly 2 months of endless drizzle and misery, we've literally had nothing good or interesting going on part from the odd episode but otherwise it's been dullville it's starting to slowly pick up but no where near enough imo, hopefully RB's character Vincent can bring something to the table.
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“True it's been nearly 2 months of endless drizzle and misery, we've literally had nothing good or interesting going on part from the odd episode but otherwise it's been dullville it's starting to slowly pick up but no where near enough imo, hopefully RB's character Vincent can bring something to the table.”
“True it's been nearly 2 months of endless drizzle and misery, we've literally had nothing good or interesting going on part from the odd episode but otherwise it's been dullville it's starting to slowly pick up but no where near enough imo, hopefully RB's character Vincent can bring something to the table.”
End of anniversary week I was excited as a viewer at the potential of stories about to get off the starters blocks,Martin and Stacey, Kathy's return,Richard Blackwoods character,a more interesting Abi etc but I feel it's all been parked and If I was a casual viewer nosing the week after the anniversary I don't think I'd have stuck around to be frank.
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“End of anniversary week I was excited as a viewer at the potential of stories about to get off the starters blocks,Martin and Stacey, Kathy's return,Richard Blackwoods character,a more interesting Abi etc but I feel it's all been parked and If I was a casual viewer nosing the week after the anniversary I don't think I'd have stuck around to be frank.”
“End of anniversary week I was excited as a viewer at the potential of stories about to get off the starters blocks,Martin and Stacey, Kathy's return,Richard Blackwoods character,a more interesting Abi etc but I feel it's all been parked and If I was a casual viewer nosing the week after the anniversary I don't think I'd have stuck around to be frank.”
I don't think that many people stuck around. The ratings are actually lower than they were before the anniversary. It's gone from 7 million, to 9 million, to 5 million!
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“I don't think that many people stuck around. The ratings are actually lower than they were before the anniversary. It's gone from 7 million, to 9 million, to 5 million!”
“I don't think that many people stuck around. The ratings are actually lower than they were before the anniversary. It's gone from 7 million, to 9 million, to 5 million!”
5 million??
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“I know what you mean Harlowe but I would say its more an issue of stop start, fade in and out plotlines as opposed to slow burns. I also think some plot conclusions have been questionable.”
“I know what you mean Harlowe but I would say its more an issue of stop start, fade in and out plotlines as opposed to slow burns. I also think some plot conclusions have been questionable.”
This is how I feel. I really don't mind a slow burning storyline, but I think it's more the block storytelling that irritates me. A group of characters and their storyline is front and center for a couple of weeks, then they disappear and nothing is mentioned for three weeks. Then those characters are back and we pick up where we left off...except I spend the next few days saying, "Wait, what? Where is Character A supposed to be now? What was Character B talking about?"
My thought is that this is being done to drum up speculation and conversation in the meantime. Look how much speculation we've had over Sharon's biological dad - who he is, what actor will play him, how he knew Den, if he's related to any other characters - even though we're really nowhere closer to knowing who he is than we ever were. I'm all for intriguing people enough to keep them interested, but the big gaps in stories just leads to confusion. Why can't the pacing be maintained by showing a better mix of characters and address more storylines in a given episode?
I also agree that some of the conclusions have been less than satisfactory. Several of the current or recent storylines have been great ideas in theory (the Tina/Tosh domestic abuse, Stan's desire to kill himself, the Kat/Alfie fire and revisiting of her sexual abuse, etc.), but have been executed in the clumsiest of ways. I really want a slow-burning storyline to have either a really surprising conclusion (a, "Wow! I didn't see that coming!") or a really satisfying conclusion (a, "I've been waiting for Character A to figure that out - YES!"). Often I felt we've gotten neither.
Yes. With some stories it would work but br every single one right after another then with other stories drop start with the constant Carter drama
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