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Looking for Audio Visual technical advice
5hane
02-04-2015
Hi.

My parents are looking to improve the lousy sound quality produced by their ageing TV without having to splash out on new equipment. It might be down to the basic and dated nature of the equipment being used that it wont be possible to do anything except replace or buy new equipment. Sadly though my parents don't have much money, but I will happily buy what they need if the following can't be done.

My hope is that it might be possible to hook up their micro system to the TV so that they can hear both SKY TV and DVD's through it, but the problem is I don't really know how.

I have taken photos of the rear of each device and posted them on Flickr (below):

https://flic.kr/s/aHsk9QDTUR

Many thanks
Nigel Goodwin
02-04-2015
The two sockets (red/white) at the bottom right of the Sony TV are audio outputs (notice the arrow is pointing OUT) - you just need a twin phono lead from that to the aux IN sockets (bottom left of picture) on the Denon, and switch the Denon to Aux.
5hane
02-04-2015
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“The two sockets (red/white) at the bottom right of the Sony TV are audio outputs (notice the arrow is pointing OUT) - you just need a twin phono lead from that to the aux IN sockets (bottom left of picture) on the Denon, and switch the Denon to Aux.”

Hi Nigel. I didn't realise it was that simple. So by doing that they will get audio from both the Sky box and when playing DVD's?
Some years a go an old friend of mine tried something similar but the only sound coming through the HiFi speakers were from the televisions analog signal. Neither DVD or SKY TV could be heard.
gomezz
02-04-2015
It seems that some TV sets are limited to outputing just the TV (analogue) signal from the AV2 SCART socket which is intended for connection to a VCR but the RCA (Red and White phono) output Nigel is talking about should work regardless.

That said maybe it is like my ancient Denon AV amp which does not pass through digital audio to its Tape Monitor analogue output (which I use to connect my wireless headphones). In which case you may need to add a cheap audio switch to the back of the micro hi-fi such as this one

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gembird-Manu.../dp/B007QU1C7C
grahamlthompson
02-04-2015
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“It seems that some TV sets are limited to outputing just the TV (analogue) signal from the AV2 SCART socket which is intended for connection to a VCR but the RCA (Red and White phono) output Nigel is talking about should work regardless.

That said maybe it is like my ancient Denon AV amp which does not pass through digital audio to its Tape Monitor analogue output (which I use to connect my wireless headphones). In which case you may need to add a cheap audio switch to the back of the micro hi-fi such as this one

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gembird-Manu.../dp/B007QU1C7C”

No need for a switch, the sound system has two audio inputs. Connect the one to the Aux in and the other to the Tape in. Select Aux or Tape to listen to either.

Samsung - AV Out - Red and White Sockets
DVD - Line 2 out - Red and White Sockets.
gomezz
02-04-2015
My bad. I assumed that the micro stereo was an all in one with no Tape In. OTOH the OP may need to also connect their Sky box. If they never really bother using the TV tuner or even if they do just to catch up with the news where better sound is not really needed then just connect the Sky box and DVD directly to the stereo.

But, only go down that route if Nigel's initial suggestion does not work for all sources.
chrisjr
02-04-2015
Originally Posted by 5hane:
“Hi Nigel. I didn't realise it was that simple. So by doing that they will get audio from both the Sky box and when playing DVD's?
Some years a go an old friend of mine tried something similar but the only sound coming through the HiFi speakers were from the televisions analog signal. Neither DVD or SKY TV could be heard.”

It should be that simple. Generally when a TV has dedicated audio outputs on their own sockets whatever sound would normally come out of the TV speakers will come out of the dedicated audio sockets. That has certainly been the case with numerous TVs I have owned or operated over the years.

It is only when you use the SCART socket to get an audio out that you may run into problems. Very often the only thing you get out of those is audio from whatever Freeview channel you watch. Switch to Sky or DVD and you get nothing.

Though having analogue outputs is becoming less common these days. Much more likely to find a digital (usually optical) output on modern sets.
5hane
02-04-2015
Lots of helpful ideas, thank you.
Hopefully the first suggestion will be fine, so I will try that first and then let you all know how I get on.
Perhaps my old friends unsuccessful attempt with his was due to using a SCART, as Chrisjr did touch upon those being problematic.
Nigel Goodwin
02-04-2015
Originally Posted by 5hane:
“Hi Nigel. I didn't realise it was that simple. So by doing that they will get audio from both the Sky box and when playing DVD's?
”

Yes, it's that simple - that's EXACTLY what the sockets are there for, they output all audio.

Quote:
“
Some years a go an old friend of mine tried something similar but the only sound coming through the HiFi speakers were from the televisions analog signal. Neither DVD or SKY TV could be heard.”

They did something wrong then - possibly coming out of the SCART socket, which (depending on design, and which socket you use) 'may' only output the sets internal tuner.
5hane
03-04-2015
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“The two sockets (red/white) at the bottom right of the Sony TV are audio outputs (notice the arrow is pointing OUT) - you just need a twin phono lead from that to the aux IN sockets (bottom left of picture) on the Denon, and switch the Denon to Aux.”

Hi all

It worked a dream

Thanks for everyone's help, especially Nigel who I shouldn't have doubted in the first place.
Nigel Goodwin
03-04-2015
Originally Posted by 5hane:
“Hi all

It worked a dream

Thanks for everyone's help, especially Nigel who I shouldn't have doubted in the first place.”

You wouldn't believe how many Sony TV's I've installed
5hane
09-04-2015
Hi all

I thought I could ask another question regarding the same television.

Whenever the TV is switched on, it's always set to a digital channel (001), which they don't use. So they have to repeatedly tap the channel button on the TV (the remote broke ages ago) until it gets to the correct AV channel.
I don't understand why the TV doesn't stay on AV4. Obviously it's not the biggest problem in the world but it is an annoyance which I hope can easily be rectified in the settings. I just can't see anything in the TV settings that would solve the problem.

Thanks
gomezz
09-04-2015
Some makes of TV are like that with a poorly thought through usability. Sounds like your Sony is one of them. Or perhaps they are pressing the 1 button to turn the TV on rather than the dedicated ON/OFF button?
Nigel Goodwin
09-04-2015
Originally Posted by 5hane:
“Hi all

I thought I could ask another question regarding the same television.

Whenever the TV is switched on, it's always set to a digital channel (001), which they don't use. So they have to repeatedly tap the channel button on the TV (the remote broke ages ago) until it gets to the correct AV channel.
I don't understand why the TV doesn't stay on AV4. Obviously it's not the biggest problem in the world but it is an annoyance which I hope can easily be rectified in the settings. I just can't see anything in the TV settings that would solve the problem. ”

Some sets stay on the input you set, some revert to normal TV - and this set is probably too old for auto-switching via HDMI.

As gomezz suggested, he is turning it ON with the ON/OFF button?, and not a channel button (including channel up/down).
5hane
09-04-2015
Thanks for the suggestion. Sadly they are using the power button.

Thinking about it. My much newer panasonic viera does the same thing, but I must just switch it to the HDMI input without thinking.

All this sophistication and they can't create a telly that remembers the channel lol
chrisjr
09-04-2015
What is on AV4? And what order do they switch things on in? If they turn on whatever is connected to AV4 first then the telly try reversing that.

It might be that when the TV sees whatever is on AV4 wake up it will switch to it but doesn't do so if AV4 is active already when the TV turns on.
grahamlthompson
09-04-2015
Originally Posted by 5hane:
“Thanks for the suggestion. Sadly they are using the power button.

Thinking about it. My much newer panasonic viera does the same thing, but I must just switch it to the HDMI input without thinking.

All this sophistication and they can't create a telly that remembers the channel lol”


Panasonic TV's usually have a option (buried in the menus) that goes directly to the last used AV input on boot rather than the TV tuner. If you post the model then most Panny TV manuals are available online.
gomezz
09-04-2015
I use a Harmony activity based remote which takes care of switching the TV to the right input but as the OP was looking for no/cheap-cost answers I suspect this is not an option for them.
anthony david
10-04-2015
It seems that this is a very old TV so presumably your parents are happy with the sound it has produced over the years. If the sound bothers you it would only be reasonable for you to bear the cost of any improvements not them. Any changes will also make the system more complex for them as well.
5hane
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by grahamlthompson:
“Panasonic TV's usually have a option (buried in the menus) that goes directly to the last used AV input on boot rather than the TV tuner. If you post the model then most Panny TV manuals are available online.”

Hi. Ok ill take a good look through the menu's. Thanks
5hane
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by anthony david:
“It seems that this is a very old TV so presumably your parents are happy with the sound it has produced over the years. If the sound bothers you it would only be reasonable for you to bear the cost of any improvements not them. Any changes will also make the system more complex for them as well.”

Hi. Thanks for your input. The sound is mow excellent due to the above solution.
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