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I felt a little uncomfortable about the scene where Sir Dennis revealed that he paid all of Jac's fees. It was, I think, an indication that that had a lot to do with him getting the job over Mo in the first place, and also him getting away with so much in recent weeks. Presuming that is the case, then it really doesn't reflect well upon Jac at all.
Also, did anyone else think it was odd that nobody became aware of the high mortality rate during his last position prior to him getting the position at Holby? Surely that is something that would have come to light at the recruitment stage. Holby HR again.... Collins, I also felt annoyed with Ollie on a personal level for being so weak. Although, professionally I can understand that he probably was afraid of being struck off. |
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Ollie has always been a coward. So nothing strange about that.
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I wish they had kept Dennis on longer, he could have been one of the most hated villains ever <3
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I thought last nights was a good episode. Glad Sir Debnis has gone!!
Ollie was in a difficult position and I felt sorry for him he did offer to do the operation himself in the end even though it ment he could be struck off!!! Keller was a laugh!! |
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Whilst it has been interesting, a lot hasn't really made sense about the whole sir Dennis story.
Did Jac approach him, did he approach her or did he just see the job advertised and apply in the standard way. How much influence would jac really have had? She was, i assume on the interviewing poanel but had clearly declared that she knew him so perhaps could be thought to have a vested interest as his having trained her was included on the press statement when he was appointed. Even if she was going to vote for him no matter what, there will have been at least 2 other people on the panel, probably more, including Hansenn so his back connection to jac should almost have become irrelevant. Why weren't references checked? Why did nobody know he hadn't operated fcor 5 years and that his mortality rates had been so poor in his last 'shop floor' role. Those stats are a matter of public record! Hansenn gives the impression of knowing everybody that is anybody in the medical world let alone somebody that was such a pioneer he has had operations named after him and fellows are writing papers about him as Mo said she had. Why didn't Hansenn know before this? Is he racist and why had that never been noticed before? Why did it not prove relevent in his downfall or are we supposed to believe that he was so reticent about operating and encouraged the DNR because Ina is black? Going back further into Jac's story, the Byrnes, also CT pioneers, in fact pretty much presented as gods in the CT surgical and old boys network world didn't know Sir Dennis Hopkins-Clark and his guidance of Jac? Why did she even need Charles Byrne if she had somebody as influential as Sir Dennis in her corner? This was 10 years ago remember, before he is supposed to have 'lost his touch'. Yes, jesse's farewell to Jac and her reaction to it would have been funny and humanizing if there was any background to it. If it was somebody like Spence, Ric or even mo who she has had an up and down relationship with (sometimes good working relationship and borderline friends but sometimes almost all out war) it would be a good final pay off but coming from somebody who she has never shafted, who she has in fact helped (employing him in Darwin against Guy's wishes when he was still CEO so powerful and he and Jac were allies so it could have cost her) just seems churlish and ungrateful. Similar to Bernie's crack about Jac not being able to order Mo around as the best reason to become a consultant when hac hadn't done anything to Bernie except advise her there was a job going, recommend her for it and compliment her in theatre. It does just smack of every character having a 'right' to bitch about jac because she is such a horrible person, even if Jac has done nothing to them and they haven't even witnessed her shafting anybody else. |
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Whilst it has been interesting, a lot hasn't really made sense about the whole sir Dennis story.
Did Jac approach him, did he approach her or did he just see the job advertised and apply in the standard way. How much influence would jac really have had? She was, i assume on the interviewing poanel but had clearly declared that she knew him so perhaps could be thought to have a vested interest as his having trained her was included on the press statement when he was appointed. Even if she was going to vote for him no matter what, there will have been at least 2 other people on the panel, probably more, including Hansenn so his back connection to jac should almost have become irrelevant. Why weren't references checked? Why did nobody know he hadn't operated fcor 5 years and that his mortality rates had been so poor in his last 'shop floor' role. Those stats are a matter of public record! Hansenn gives the impression of knowing everybody that is anybody in the medical world let alone somebody that was such a pioneer he has had operations named after him and fellows are writing papers about him as Mo said she had. Why didn't Hansenn know before this? Is he racist and why had that never been noticed before? Why did it not prove relevent in his downfall or are we supposed to believe that he was so reticent about operating and encouraged the DNR because Ina is black? Going back further into Jac's story, the Byrnes, also CT pioneers, in fact pretty much presented as gods in the CT surgical and old boys network world didn't know Sir Dennis Hopkins-Clark and his guidance of Jac? Why did she even need Charles Byrne if she had somebody as influential as Sir Dennis in her corner? This was 10 years ago remember, before he is supposed to have 'lost his touch'. Yes, jesse's farewell to Jac and her reaction to it would have been funny and humanizing if there was any background to it. If it was somebody like Spence, Ric or even mo who she has had an up and down relationship with (sometimes good working relationship and borderline friends but sometimes almost all out war) it would be a good final pay off but coming from somebody who she has never shafted, who she has in fact helped (employing him in Darwin against Guy's wishes when he was still CEO so powerful and he and Jac were allies so it could have cost her) just seems churlish and ungrateful. Similar to Bernie's crack about Jac not being able to order Mo around as the best reason to become a consultant when hac hadn't done anything to Bernie except advise her there was a job going, recommend her for it and compliment her in theatre. It does just smack of every character having a 'right' to bitch about jac because she is such a horrible person, even if Jac has done nothing to them and they haven't even witnessed her shafting anybody else. |
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Plus we see one day a week in Holby. We just assume stuff happens we miss
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Well I suppose it could be due to the fact she suspended him with immediate effect in front of everyone without listening to him.
He wasn't on duty (which means he wasn't covered by insurance), was performing a procedure outside of his speciality which he had never performed before, going against a documented DNR (which is what would stand legally, it is assault to operate without consent and against a DNR) and on somebody that was very nearly a relative. Any one of those things could have got him struck off and the Trust sued and possibly losing its foundation status if it were seen to sanction it. It is standard policy in any profession for suspension to be immediate pending any investigation. |
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Plus we see one day a week in Holby. We just assume stuff happens we miss
In the scheme of things, it is not a big deal. Most people don't like jac, it is accepted that people bitch about her, Jesse has picked up that attitude - especially probably because he was so involved with Adele who we know didn't get on with Jac - and to be fair Jac was often quite rude to her in terms of being one of the few not to bow down in awe of her wonderfulness so Adele probably did moan aboout her. But the general attitude that anybody can say what they like to, or about Jac with nobody answering back doe annoy me when she hasn't done anything to that particular person, indeed she has actually helped them career wise. |
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Yes of course but I think there has to be a belief that we see any important stuff like characters getting together romantically or breaking up, being made Consultant, performing new procedures, finding out they're pregnant etc. If there has been something major to cause bad feeling, it should really have been shown on screen.
In the scheme of things, it is not a big deal. Most people don't like jac, it is accepted that people bitch about her, Jesse has picked up that attitude - especially probably because he was so involved with Adele who we know didn't get on with Jac - and to be fair Jac was often quite rude to her in terms of being one of the few not to bow down in awe of her wonderfulness so Adele probably did moan aboout her. But the general attitude that anybody can say what they like to, or about Jac with nobody answering back doe annoy me when she hasn't done anything to that particular person, indeed she has actually helped them career wise. |
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It's just lazy writing and useless continuity of characters and their relationships. Shame, there used to be so much more subtlety and depth to the writing.
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It's just lazy writing and useless continuity of characters and their relationships. Shame, there used to be so much more subtlety and depth to the writing.
I think the issue is that whilst there are script editors, there are concentrating on the individual scripts, ensuring that there are no contradictions in that episode but not referring back to the last or next one, let alone from a few weeks, months or years prior. So it appears down to luck as to what the writer happens to remember, probably from their prior scripts but they can't be expected to know everything that has happened in other people's scripts. In the old days, there was one script editor who read every script and ensured that everything flowed correctly and of course shows like Corrie have had an official historian who reads the scripts looking out not just for stuff in short term storylines but from years prior. Though mistakes still happen, like Kevin Webster apparently forgetting that hek5 had a child die 14 years ago. |
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Marc Elliot from EastEnders is joining Holby City. I don't know if its permanent.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-t...ble-Holby-City |
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Will have to start watching Holby again now Marc Elliott is joining the cast!
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Just a little bit of fun if anyone's interested. If you're not on tumblr, you can message me here and I'll pass them on.
http://holbycityquotes.tumblr.com/po...ed-it-would-be |
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Enjoyed tonight's episode.
I'm assuming Bernie was going home to tell her husband everything so she can be with Alex. Still loving Dom and Diggers' friendship. It just seems so genuine. Also liked the talk between Bernie and Dom.
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Does this mean Mr T is a main character now?
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Just a little bit of fun if anyone's interested. If you're not on tumblr, you can message me here and I'll pass them on.
http://holbycityquotes.tumblr.com/po...ed-it-would-be Re tonight's - quite enjoyed it. Jason does need to be with family really, not in a Home where he could easily be taken advantage of and ultimately i think Serena will find it very rewarding. But it is going to be very hard work for her and might involve a lot of sacrifices. Hopefully Robbie will adjust but I can see this be a leaving storyline for her - she leaves or takes a less demanding job to look after Jason whilst also spending more time with Robbie as he enjoys early retirement. She will have been there 4 years in a couple of weeks which is a lengthy tenure for Holby. I hope I'm wrong, i ke Serena but can see it heading that way. Arthur and Morven. Difficult situation - he wants to enjoy life as his condition is very serious and also sees that she needs some enjoyment too (and probably wants to give her memories of happy times with him should the worst happen) but she isn't going to want to go abroad, even for just a few days when her father is so sick and could take a turn for the worse, even die and she wouldn't have the time to get back. Plus, as she says, she'd just worry about him all the time so wouldn't enjoy it which means Arthur wouldn't enjoy it. Perhaps it is selfish given Arthur is also ill but i think i'd be exactly the same if a parent was in the condition Austin is. Mo has been waiting so long for this. Has she? I'd always got the impression that she was very happy specialising and being very happy being about the top of her field so having a certain amount of Autonomy (Hansenn headhunter her and Jonny remember) in Transplant rather than going up the 'management' route of consultant in more general CT work. We certainly haven't had anyyy mention of her considering taking the next step up, let alone applying for jobs and not getting them until the last few weeks and we know she has had the qualifications/experience to as she stepped up to cover Jac's Patient list weeks after starting when Jac went to San Francisco for a few weeks. It's never been a 'thing' with her in the way it was Diane, Malick and especially Jac - keeping going for promotion and being frustrated at not getting it. Still she's got it now but pleased to see somebody standing up to her, not just accepting her new 'god like' status or that CT 'trumps' other specialities. Just another step in her seeing Derwood for the wonderful man he is. |
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Does this mean Mr T is a main character now?
I doubt it, he will still be recurring. The easiest way to tell is to check the end credits. The contracted cast (so regulars) are listed first in the credits, in order of appearance in the episode. Then there is a gap and the recurring cast appear - this is where Mr T has been for about 3 years. Then there is another gap and the guest cast appear, such as Lola. I would expect Mr T, Jason, Robbie and perhaps Alex to be in the 2nd section tonight. If Mr T isn'( there but the first lot, he has become regular. There hasn't been an announcement of it though and there usually is when it happens, as with Marie-Claire in 2013. |
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In what way? Because he has got more funding?
I doubt it, he will still be recurring. The easiest way to tell is to check the end credits. The contracted cast (so regulars) are listed first in the credits, in order of appearance in the episode. Then there is a gap and the recurring cast appear - this is where Mr T has been for about 3 years. Then there is another gap and the guest cast appear, such as Lola. I would expect Mr T, Jason, Robbie and perhaps Alex to be in the 2nd section tonight. If Mr T isn'( there but the first lot, he has become regular. There hasn't been an announcement of it though and there usually is when it happens, as with Marie-Claire in 2013. |
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I honestly think that so long as his department isn't one of the featured wards, it is very difficult for them to make him a fully regular character as by definition, he always has to be called for a consult on another ward to have a professional storyline or come into contact with other characters. Even the social relationships with Mo, and to a lesser extent Sacha and Essie (wek?e seen they get on) have to have some context as to why we are seeing it as they so rarely feature characters talking if not on duty. Look at how rarely We get to see Jac and Sacha just having a chat because they are on coffee break and have arranged to meet. It is why they invariably have any characters that are dating / just split up so sniping working on the same ward, so we can see their relationship alongside the patient of the week.
I suspect the reason that they've involved Thompson with jac's foetal surgery work (although that seems to have been forgotten about now) and that this is womb Transplant (transplant being Mo's field of expertise) is so that he has a legitimate reason to be on Darwin which doesn't involve every other Patient being pregnant or having a pregnant relative who develops complications. |
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Wow, the Morven-Arthur relationship is giving me flashbacks to Mark Greene and Elizabeth Corday (ER) back in the day. She is too harsh for him and if he dies I hope she gives him some comfort in his last days rather than berating him the whole bloody time.
Mo was unbearable for most of that, glad Mr T finally stood up to himself but Zoshia annoyed me with her amateur psychoanalysis. I can see this as being Serena's leaving storyline too. |
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I am pleased that some people enjoyed the episode - I thought that it failed on so many levels.
So Bernie, the love of Alex's life, leaves to return to her husband, Alex follows her to Holby, has a few scenes with her and then just walks away? Why do so many characters in soaps have to have uncertain sexuality? We have Bernie last night (and the new paramedic in Casualty for instance). Morven is so childish so much of the time, perhaps that is why she should be a good fit with the staid Arthur, but she has little empathy with him. It's not unusual for someone promoted to let power go to their head (as Mo does) and she has always tended to disregard what Mr T's opinion is, but whether they will ever manage to admit their true feelings for each other only the script writers know! |
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I watched Holby for the first time last night, and constantly pestered the person I was watching with for questions. It was very heavy handed with setting up the storylines at times, particularly with the lesbian storyline, but all in all I was quite interested!
A few questions (I'm not sure of character names unfortunately, I wasn't paying that much attention): What condition does the gentleman with glasses have? The young fellow in the dark red uniform who is seemingly in a relationship with the mixed race lady. What's the background on Robbie? Are we supposed to dislike him? He didn't come across fantastically last night, although I don't know his story prior to last night. My main bugbear was the severly condensed story with the blonde lady and her on/off lover who just turned up, complete with new job but was perfectly happy to leave all of that after just one day because her love interested didn't give her the answer she wanted. Is Marcus, the blonde lady's husband, off screen or do we know him too? |
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I'm assuming Bernie was going home to tell her husband everything so she can be with Alex. Still loving Dom and Diggers' friendship. It just seems so genuine.