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Old 15-09-2016, 21:55
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There's speculation that Zosia's sexually assaulted (I don't know if its rape) by someone in a high position (I can't remember the details, sorry) and that Guy doesn't want her to go the police about it. Ollie and Jac, on the other hand, do. It makes sense from the trailer, but as far as I can see, was purely speculative.
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Old 20-09-2016, 20:28
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Ric and Serena!
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Old 20-09-2016, 20:32
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The method that has been used to introduce Jasmine, I could never take to her. There would be better ways of meeting her sister, of introducing herself to her in diplomatic ways. Very harsh and unfair on Jac IMO.
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Old 20-09-2016, 20:52
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Dominics being an absolute arse tonight, you'd have thought he was married to the guy or something
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Old 20-09-2016, 21:02
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Olly is a one woman man: it was his wife; recently and currently it is Zosia.
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Old 20-09-2016, 21:19
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Loved the scene's at the bar with Ric and Serena, when he edged forwards for the gossip like a school boy I couldn't help but laugh
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Old 20-09-2016, 21:20
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The method that has been used to introduce Jasmine, I could never take to her. There would be better ways of meeting her sister, of introducing herself to her in diplomatic ways. Very harsh and unfair on Jac IMO.
Why were they all acting like Jac did something wrong by introducing Jasmine to the team as her sister? I don't get it
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Old 20-09-2016, 21:21
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Great to see Ric being centre stage in an episode again - long may it last.
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Old 20-09-2016, 21:47
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Olly is a one woman man: it was his wife; recently and currently it is Zosia.
Penny, Tara, Zosia. Actually he is one of the few characters 2homwas on his own for quite a long time too...after Penny died and before Tara and actually he was mostly always alone before Tara.
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Old 20-09-2016, 21:58
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Why were they all acting like Jac did something wrong by introducing Jasmine to the team as her sister? I don't get it
think it was the blunt way she did it
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Old 20-09-2016, 22:15
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Why were they all acting like Jac did something wrong by introducing Jasmine to the team as her sister? I don't get it
I don't know. She did the correct thing. It is what Jasmine should have done when she started working there,
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Old 20-09-2016, 22:20
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Why were they all acting like Jac did something wrong by introducing Jasmine to the team as her sister? I don't get it
Because it was quite nastily done and the aim was more to put Jasmine down than really introduce her. She was essentially saying I'm only telling you this because I have to, but I don't know her, like her or want her here. For jasmine, who did come with good intentions of getting to know Jac, it was prob very hurtful and a very public rejection.
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Old 20-09-2016, 22:37
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Because it was quite nastily done and the aim was more to put Jasmine down than really introduce her. She was essentially saying I'm only telling you this because I have to, but I don't know her, like her or want her here. For jasmine, who did come with good intentions of getting to know Jac, it was prob very hurtful and a very public rejection.
Oh right. It was very Jac though and they should know her by now! Jasmine strikes me as no angel and should have been upfront from the beginning although I can understand that she would have wanted to get to know Jac first.

Jac is acting out from a hurt place but as usual no one cares enough about her to try and understand that. I am sick of the way she is treated tbh.
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Old 20-09-2016, 22:44
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To be fair, in respects of not cheating on whomever he is with, and having spent a long time getting over Tara and needing to have really fallen in love with Zosia before he started their relationship, I'd say he is quite a "one woman man" in that regard. Jac is probably suspicious (and rightly so) that Jasmine is a rebound fling and might, just might be concerned for all concerned.

It was probably the cold way that Jac revealed it, making clear that she has no positive feelings towards Jasmine at all which people disapproved of.

But, it has to be said, that even Oliver who has voiced his confusion as to why Jac is how she is, immediately seems to be against her when he finds out such a crucial piece of information about her upbringing which explains her attitude to life, people in general and Jasmine in particular.

It does make you wonder, what does have to happen to Jac for people to give her a break?

I loved Ric and Serena's little chat and that Serena was honest with him about her feelings for Bernie.

Could have done without her and Bernie standing around giggling like schoolgirls as Rix interacted with his Patient. Did they have nothing else to do with their time?
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Old 20-09-2016, 22:49
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I couldn't really understand the issue with what Jac did either. She just passed on information in a factual way. Yes, direct and blunt, but very Jac. If I worked with her I wouldn't be surprised if the information got passed on in that kind of way. The one scene tonight that probably didn't really work. Jasmine should just get over it
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Old 20-09-2016, 22:52
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Oh right. It was very Jac though and they should know her by now! Jasmine strikes me as no angel and should have been upfront from the beginning although I can understand that she would have wanted to get to know Jac first.

Jac is acting out from a hurt place but as usual no one cares enough about her to try and understand that. I am sick of the way she is treated tbh.
I agree Collins.

Nobody cares enough to wonder why they don't know each other, what the history is. Everybody just assumes that it must be Jac that is in the 'wrong' and Jasmine is the injured party.

Now a lot of the time i can forgive others attitudes to jhac as she does keep everything to herself. Whilst it would be nice for people to have the sense to guess/realise that anybody that behaves like that must have been very damaged at some stage so perhaps deserves some compassion, it can be hard if you have no idea what the problem is.

But even when people find out what her problems are, like Jonny or Mo back when Paula turned up in 2014, or when she was pregnant with a very sick baby and the Father was squiring his new girlfriend round the Ward she worked on, or she was forced to adopt a defensive stance when Jonny launched a custody battle against her - it is Jac who is the one that is in the wrong.

We had it again tonight with Ollie. No, it's not fair for Jac to blame Jasmine for what their Mother did, but surely he must see how hurtful being dumped into Care whilst your Mum kept her next child would be. And how having that child, the one your Mother wanted when she did,'t want you, turn up would be difficult.
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Old 20-09-2016, 23:02
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I agree Collins.

Nobody cares enough to wonder why they don't know each other, what the history is. Everybody just assumes that it must be Jac that is in the 'wrong' and Jasmine is the injured party.

Now a lot of the time i can forgive others attitudes to jhac as she does keep everything to herself. Whilst it would be nice for people to have the sense to guess/realise that anybody that behaves like that must have been very damaged at some stage so perhaps deserves some compassion, it can be hard if you have no idea what the problem is.

But even when people find out what her problems are, like Jonny or Mo back when Paula turned up in 2014, or when she was pregnant with a very sick baby and the Father was squiring his new girlfriend round the Ward she worked on, or she was forced to adopt a defensive stance when Jonny launched a custody battle against her - it is Jac who is the one that is in the wrong.

We had it again tonight with Ollie. No, it's not fair for Jac to blame Jasmine for what their Mother did, but surely he must see how hurtful being dumped into Care whilst your Mum kept her next child would be. And how having that child, the one your Mother wanted when she did,'t want you, turn up would be difficult.
Yes she is always the cold hearted evil one, always in the wrong. No consideration or understanding as to why she might be that way. Joseph was the only one who cared enough to break through the icy barriers to get to the warm funny caring Jac we catch rare glimpses of. Sacha too in a friendship way but everyone else just judges her harshly. I know that's the way she is written and Rosie herself seems to prefer her that way but I do get tired of it.
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Old 20-09-2016, 23:16
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What's annoying is that Ollie has seemed to care in the past but they just ignore that, or worse imply that Jac being so horrible has destroyed all his positive feelings towards her so it is her fault. Poor, poor Ollie that has tried to get to know her and please her and just been abised at every turn.

Except that he, you know, hasn't. She's actually protected him, mentored him and gone out of her way to be kind many, many times.

They did a similar thing with Jonny and Elliot. They cared, they saw there was more to her, they tried and tried but she treated them so badly that they gave up on her, or even started to hate her and want to damage/destroy her and it is all her fault - she deserves it.

The only character that was acceptable with really was Joseph, who she really did hurt in such a dreadful way that she did deserve the hatred he directed at her for some time.
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Old 20-09-2016, 23:32
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.Jac is acting out from a hurt place but as usual no one cares enough about her to try and understand that. I am sick of the way she is treated tbh.
Jac brings the way she is treated firmly upon herself. It would be much easier to feel some kind of empathy for her if she occasionally showed some for others. Unfortunately for her the way she acts toward those around her (both colleagues and vague friends) means that in my eyes she will only ever be cut the slack she deserves i.e. none.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:08
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Jac brings the way she is treated firmly upon herself. It would be much easier to feel some kind of empathy for her if she occasionally showed some for others. Unfortunately for her the way she acts toward those around her (both colleagues and vague friends) means that in my eyes she will only ever be cut the slack she deserves i.e. none.
But the thing is, she does. It might not be overt, and she might cover it with a flip comment, and it might be done in private, but she does demonstrate kindness to her colleagues and they are aware of it but they never really seem to appreciate it or cut her any slack.

She has done loads of things for oliver over the years, including fairly recently engineering a situation whereby he and Zosia were forced to talk to each other to properly start their relationship.
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Old 21-09-2016, 06:58
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Jac brings the way she is treated firmly upon herself. It would be much easier to feel some kind of empathy for her if she occasionally showed some for others. Unfortunately for her the way she acts toward those around her (both colleagues and vague friends) means that in my eyes she will only ever be cut the slack she deserves i.e. none.
I understand your point of view, I really do. Jac is the master of her own destruction, that's the really sad thing imo. She has learned not to trust so pushses people away by being nasty. But she is not always nasty. She has a kind side and goes out of her way to help people at times - she just does it quietly and unoptrusively. So then then they assume she is all bad. They think it is acceptable to wound her on a deeply personal level by attacking her as a mother, the one thing that will hurt her the most.

This is what bothers me - that NO ONE has her back. Even one measly little friend to stick up for her. Sacha did it when they worked together on Keller and Joseph loved her despite all her flaws and brought out the best of her (in the end before he left) but she hasn't had that for the longest time now. I just wish there was a bit of balance to it, that's all
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Old 21-09-2016, 08:35
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The method that has been used to introduce Jasmine, I could never take to her. There would be better ways of meeting her sister, of introducing herself to her in diplomatic ways. Very harsh and unfair on Jac IMO.
I stand by what I said. I cannot understand why the writers' have done the introduction in this way. In real life, if someone wanted to try to find / get to know a relative, there would have been some sort of counselling for Jasmine and for Jac beforehand; instead of which, Jasmine just barges in, working in the same place and says I am your sister. Totally wrong IMO. But it's not real life, it is soap. I feel sorry for Jac. Maybe Mo will see, a little.

There had to be the disclosure, once Jasmine had let the cat out of the bag, for ethical reasons. She had better tell Hanssen, too.
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Old 21-09-2016, 08:50
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I stand by what I said. I cannot understand why the writers' have done the introduction in this way. In real life, if someone wanted to try to find / get to know a relative, there would have been some sort of counselling for Jasmine and for Jac beforehand; instead of which, Jasmine just barges in, working in the same place and says I am your sister. Totally wrong IMO. But it's not real life, it is soap. I feel sorry for Jac. Maybe Mo will see, a little.

There had to be the disclosure, once Jasmine had let the cat out of the bag, for ethical reasons.
I read somewhere that they brought 'Jasmine' in a lot sooner than planned, because the nurse left rather sharpish. 'Jasmine' is filling in the stuff that was planned for the other actress. That might have something to do with it.
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Old 21-09-2016, 11:27
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Well. As Collins has touched upon in the past, it seems very unlikely that anybody brought up by Paula could be all sweetness and light and maybe some of her sociopathic/narcississtic traits have shown themselves in this way. I think it is doubtful that she has set out to deliberately hurt Jac, but possibly she just did,'t consider Jac's feelings and reaction enough. Jasmine wanted to get to know her and build a relationship for Jasmine sake. She knew Jac would reject and direct approach personally (as she has before, when they first learned of each others existence) so decided to do it in a way that Jac couldn't avoid her - her place of work.

Would they actually get counselling? Would there even be an official route Jasmine cold have taken to make an approach? There was no adoption involved and Jac is no longer a ward of the Court so I doubt social Services would be interested although they would have been involved if a sibling wanted to meet another sibling in foster care of they were still under 18.

I thought Mo's reaction was quite hard to read actually. Surprise at first and then sadness I'd say, but for Jasmine or Jac (or both), I'm not sure. I think possibly both, jasmine because she was clearly upset when she left, Jac because she knows rather more about Paula (including kidneygate and how her death affeced Jac) than many others. She didn't go after Jac of course but Mo is quite changeable. If she is being 'nice' Mo who gets on fairly well with Jac and whom they've sometimes confided in, respected and trusted each other - she'd know that it would be better to wait and approach it gently, later on. If she is being 'nasty' judgemental Mo, then she won't give a toss and will just be using it as another weapon against Jac.

I too understand why other characters (and viewers) don't like Jac and think she brings it all on herself. You have to give respect and kindness to receive it back.

But, like Collins, i also see another side and just get fed up of nobody being on her 'side' except for at brief points Joseph, Sacha and Jonny. Everybody does just think it is fine to abuse her, to her face and behind her vack, both professionally and personally and most of the time it is downright vicious and much worse than anything she would say and do. Have you ever heard her denigrate a colleagues parenting ability or whether they love their child for example? Even when arguably it could be warranted?
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Old 21-09-2016, 11:30
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Jac really needs to stop making personal comments about people instead of dealing with them professionally, her comments about Jasmine being bottom of the food chain were seriously out of line and one day someone's going to have enough and report her for bullying. I kind of understand the comments about Jasmine but she did tell Jac who she was the first day they met again, so it's not like she was sneaking around. I suppose the argument is she should have approached her out of work first instead of seemingly deliberately getting a job in her department but if she had Jac would probably have slammed the door in her face. (In fact, that's exactly what happened: Jasmine went to the hospital to try and get to know Jac when she first found out about her, and Jac refused to see her.) I think we have to accept dramatic license here, that it's a hospital drama and the only way to show Jac and Jasmine dealing with their relationship is to have them both working at the hospital.

I'm still not sure what to make of Isaac. It feels like we saw a more vulnerable side to the character here but I'm still not sure if we're meant to trust him. "How many Miles Richardsons do you know?" Well, there's Ian Richardson's son who acts in Doctor Who spin-offs for a start...

Ric's storyline was okay and nice to see him get a larger role than usual, although Serena sniggering through an attempt at a serious briefing was eye-rolling.
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