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The Big Holby City Thread (Part 5)
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_elly001
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by Emma-Louise_Fie:
“I've been wondering for a while if he was going to show his true colours. He has a few times and tonight was hopefully what Dom needed to just dump his ass”

I wonder if he will dump him? As horrible as it sounds I think it would more interesting if they stayed together for a while, as psychological abuse is so under-represented in TV when it comes to same sex couples. I'd quite like to see a dark long-term storyline coming from this.
memmh
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“That ending! Isaac really is a nasty piece of work.”

He really is!

I hope it's enough to get Dom to dump him but, sadly, I don't think he will

Surely the hospital has an IT department? I don't understand why they weren't Jasmine's first port of call?

And talking of Jasmine, please could someone fill me in on what happened between Jac and Jasmine? I got a phone call at just the wrong moment and missed the end of that scene.
bel110
20-12-2016
Dom
bel110
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“He really is!

I hope it's enough to get Dom to dump him but, sadly, I don't think he will

Surely the hospital has an IT department? I don't understand why they weren't Jasmine's first port of call?

And talking of Jasmine, please could someone fill me in on what happened between Jac and Jasmine? I got a phone call at just the wrong moment and missed the end of that scene.”

Jasmine started talking about how she used to miss Jac at Christmas and how being in care for Christmas was prob more fun than being at home and Jac just got up and walked out! Jasmine shouted something about how that was cold, even for her ...

Sadly don't think this will be the end of Dom and Issac either .... great acting from both tonight
Little Star
20-12-2016
I really felt for poor Dominic at the end.
Isaac really is a nasty piece of work. I had a feeling weeks ago that he was threatened by Dom's relationship with Arthur and that that was why he hid the medal previously.
k9fan
20-12-2016
Jasmine is one of the most insensitive characters I have ever come across.


Poor Dom; walk away, Dom, Isaac is just a nasty person.
Collins1965
20-12-2016
What a fantastic episode.

I cried buckets when Dom and Zosia put Arthur's decoration on the tree it was so lovely. Dom needs to get the hell away from Issac but I think it could be long drawn-out and painful. Smashing Arthur's medal was so low.

Thank goodness Jac doesn't have cancer. She was horrible to Sacha but he knows her well enough to know why. I love their friendship so much. I hope Matteo is genuine because he also really seems to get Jac. He could be the right man for her at last unlike Jonny the judgemental hypocrite. If she can't have Joseph then Matteo could be the next best choice for her.

She just walked away from Jasmine but really what did Jasmine expect telling her she was jealous of her being in care at Christmas! FFS.

Holby is so good at the moment, makes me really happy

Merry Christmas fellow Holby lovers
MagicCoppelia
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“That ending! Isaac really is a nasty piece of work.”

Couldn't believe it!. What a horror!.
memmh
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by bel110:
“Jasmine started talking about how she used to miss Jac at Christmas and how being in care for Christmas was prob more fun than being at home and Jac just got up and walked out! Jasmine shouted something about how that was cold, even for her ...

Sadly don't think this will be the end of Dom and Issac either .... great acting from both tonight”

Thanks for that

Jasmine seems to be living in some kind of fanstasy world. I know we don't know much about her home life yet, nor do we know just how bad it really was, but to think that being in care was a good thing (especially when we know how bad things were for Jac) means that either Jasmine was seriously abused or she just doesn't have a clue. I'm kind of hoping it's the former, because I'd hate to think that anyone, especially a doctor, really has so little understanding of the world, and it would give some much-needed depth to the character.


Originally Posted by Collins1965:
“What a fantastic episode.

I cried buckets when Dom and Zosia put Arthur's decoration on the tree it was so lovely. Dom needs to get the hell away from Issac but I think it could be long drawn-out and painful. Smashing Arthur's medal was so low.

Thank goodness Jac doesn't have cancer. She was horrible to Sacha but he knows her well enough to know why. I love their friendship so much. I hope Matteo is genuine because he also really seems to get Jac. He could be the right man for her at last unlike Jonny the judgemental hypocrite. If she can't have Joseph then Matteo could be the next best choice for her.

She just walked away from Jasmine but really what did Jasmine expect telling her she was jealous of her being in care at Christmas! FFS.

Holby is so good at the moment, makes me really happy

Merry Christmas fellow Holby lovers ”

That little scene with Dom and Zosia was lovely. It was the ornament with the glasses that got to me. And I'm glad they're showing it's not only family who mourns a loss. Too often people act like friends aren't allowed to mourn because they're not family. Morven may have been Arthur's wife, but Dom and Zosia had a special relationship with him and it's good to see that hasn't been forgotten. And, Lord, yes, Dom needs to leave Isaac -- the sooner the better -- and not look back!
Pasta
20-12-2016
At least Dom knows where is is with Lee - locking the knives away, fair enough, but Isaac's knives are probably more deadly to someone with low self-esteem.
masterquan
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Thanks for that

Jasmine seems to be living in some kind of fanstasy world. I know we don't know much about her home life yet, nor do we know just how bad it really was, but to think that being in care was a good thing (especially when we know how bad things were for Jac) means that either Jasmine was seriously abused or she just doesn't have a clue. I'm kind of hoping it's the former, because I'd hate to think that anyone, especially a doctor, really has so little understanding of the world, and it would give some much-needed depth to the character.”

They left out the part where Jac was blanking Jasmine before she even brought that up. But obviously it's not Jac's fault she has a right to be rude to whoever she wants.
RingoJ739K
20-12-2016
So in the end, Lee actually ended up being right about Dom being too good for Isaac even though Lee himself wasn't currently in the right state of mind for Dominic either.
memmh
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by RingoJ739K:
“So in the end, Lee actually ended up being right about Dom being too good for Isaac even though Lee himself wasn't currently in the right state of mind for Dominic either.”

The sad thing is, I'm not sure Dom's ready to admit that yet.
kitkat1971
20-12-2016
Originally Posted by masterquan:
“They left out the part where Jac was blanking Jasmine before she even brought that up. But obviously it's not Jac's fault she has a right to be rude to whoever she wants.”

Of course,Jac does not have a,right to be rude to anybody she wants but her and Jasmine is s very unusual situation.

Of course it isn't Jasmine's fault that their Mother kept her whilst she abandoned Jac but for Jac, Jasmine is the physical embodiment of everything Jac hates and fears about her history, background and herself.

Remember that deep down Jac believes that Paula abandoned her brcause there wss domething fundamentally wrong and unloveable about Jac. That it was Jacs fault it happened, not Paulas. That it didn't happen to Jasmine means that she automatically feels inferior to her and is jealous of her as she got the lufe Jac dhoukd have had, being brought up by their Mum, even if she was rubbish. So much of what Jac is stems from that abandonment and her ecperiences in Care it can't just be dismissed as her blanking Jas for no reason.

There is also probably fear that Jasmine is like Paula and if she dies hive her a chance and let her in, as she did with Paula when she returned after 20 years, she'll be shat on again. Paula caused her to lose a kidney and then her daughter for 9,months so you'd understand she'd be wary.

Continuity errors again. Jasmine didn't know Jac existed until she was nearly 18 so couldn't have envied her being in Care at Xmas.(and really what a crass thing to say in any circumstances) when growing up and secondly she isn't Emma's only aunt as Jonny has sisters. Though I guess Jas might not know that.

Mo alrwYs used to spend Xmas with Jonny. I'm sure she still could, whether he's with Jac and Emma or not. Especially as she's Emma's godmother.

Sorry, mot warming to Matteo. I think he's smug and too willing yro give his opinions, take control and belittle under the guise of helping. As for seeing the real Jac unlike Jonny, we had a fair few scenes of him being perceptive and nice too, especially in the early days and last few weeks. I think the Bonnie and Custody Case months tend to dominate in people's minds re their relationship and 'getting' each other, and just getting on generally.

Also, it's beginning to bug me how we're constantly being told how handsome, sexy and attractive he is. We can see he's handsome, stop going on about it!

Poor Dom. Isaac is .....
skteosk
21-12-2016
Well, Isaac has definitely shown he's got a nasty side, if there was any doubt. I guess how nasty will depend on what happens next, whether that was "just" a very cruel break-up or whether he's going to act like nothing happened the next day. Sadly, although he was well-intentioned here, I still find Dominic a bit annoying so wasn't entirely sympathetic towards him.

I wish the show didn't insist on portraying Jasmine as incompetent all the time. At least we got some interaction between her and Jac, and she seems less willing to just put up with Jac's coldness towards her. (Shame that there was no pay-off: Where was Jasmine when Jac was extending an olive branch to everyone in Albie's?) Jac seems to see Matteo as a rival but I think she's wrong, it's just her usual paranoia. Sacha coming back to her with the results rather bizarrely reminded me of Shrek, and Donkey telling the ogre that being friends means you still stick around when they're mean to you. Talking of continuity, Oliver seemed to forget that he's been married when talking about what he'll do if he needs a best man.

The AAU storyline was good if not spectacular and actually made me sympathise with Fletch which doesn't happen very often. Happy Serena is possibly an even worse person to work for than Snide Serena, but nice to see them all coming together to help Arty.
LeeBoy19
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by RingoJ739K:
“So in the end, Lee actually ended up being right about Dom being too good for Isaac even though Lee himself wasn't currently in the right state of mind for Dominic either.”

Yes I think Lee and Dom worked well before despite the problems, Isaac I never liked form the start. I know Lee is a bad boy but we all love a bad boy not a nasty boy like Isaac. Time to ship him off out of it I do not like his character at all. So well done the actor for playing him well. But time to try and get Lee out on release early somehow.
bel110
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by LeeBoy19:
“Yes I think Lee and Dom worked well before despite the problems, Isaac I never liked form the start. I know Lee is a bad boy but we all love a bad boy not a nasty boy like Isaac. Time to ship him off out of it I do not like his character at all. So well done the actor for playing him well. But time to try and get Lee out on release early somehow.”

I'm not sure! Lee is cute but he's not quite the loveable bad boy ... more the slightly deranged and definitely not trustworthy bad boy. Neither of them are remotely good enough for Dom, although they'd be scarily good together!
memmh
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by bel110:
“I'm not sure! Lee is cute but he's not quite the loveable bad boy ... more the slightly deranged and definitely not trustworthy bad boy. Neither of them are remotely good enough for Dom, although they'd be scarily good together!”

Errr... Isaac would probably drive Lee to kill him (Isaac)!

Dom needs a gay Arthur!
lulu g
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Errr... Isaac would probably drive Lee to kill him (Isaac)!

Dom needs a gay Arthur!”

Yes, that's exactly what he needs.
Mark39London
21-12-2016
Pool old Dom, not lucky in love at all. Maybe he will return to the psycho Dom of old (a trait of his which seemed to miraculously disappear).

I quite like Matteo and think he could become a very good friend to Jac. He is brash and very self assured, but seems very competent and appears to genuinely care. However, the script writers could have him as a hidden enemy or harbouring a secret. I wonder how long the actor has been engaged for???
EVIL-MONKEY
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by LeeBoy19:
“Yes I think Lee and Dom worked well before despite the problems, Isaac I never liked form the start. I know Lee is a bad boy but we all love a bad boy not a nasty boy like Isaac. Time to ship him off out of it I do not like his character at all. So well done the actor for playing him well. But time to try and get Lee out on release early somehow.”

Somehow I think you might be biased towards Lee.

Poor Dom he deserves better than those two and shouldn't be with either of the two, at least he'll be able to get the medal fixed easily. I always new that Issac would turn out to be a bad'un, lets hope he gets killed off violently!

Anyone else not warming to Matteo? I just find him smug and annoying, I want the ice queen to get back to her old self and b*tch slap him down a lot of pegs.
skp20040
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by _elly001:
“That ending! Isaac really is a nasty piece of work.”

He has shown himself to be what he really is, a selfish , self obsessed , manipulative nasty piece of work. I did say on the thread ages ago he would probably turn out to be a psycho with knife skills , no knives yet just a vile person.

Dom who I used to dislike as a character but who has grown on me deserves so much better even if that means being alone. And Isaac is due a big public fall from grace , just a shame Morgan or Zosia did not see what he did to Arthurs medal I have a feeling they would have knocked him out , but then Isaac appears to be a slimy git who would not be so silly as to show his true colours in front of others, but he will slip up.
bel110
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by EVIL-MONKEY:
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Anyone else not warming to Matteo? I just find him smug and annoying, I want the ice queen to get back to her old self and b*tch slap him down a lot of pegs.”

Me! I liked him in his first ep but I've gone off him since! He's a bit too in your face / space for my liking! I don't really like how he assumes he knows Jacs inner thoughts and feelings, when he hardly knows her at all. I wouldn't mind him so much if he was a little more chilled out, but will give him the benefit of the doubt and a few more weeks / months!
kitkat1971
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by EVIL-MONKEY:
“Somehow I think you might be biased towards Lee.

Poor Dom he deserves better than those two and shouldn't be with either of the two, at least he'll be able to get the medal fixed easily. I always new that Issac would turn out to be a bad'un, lets hope he gets killed off violently!

Anyone else not warming to Matteo? I just find him smug and annoying, I want the ice queen to get back to her old self and b*tch slap him down a lot of pegs.”

No, you're not alone, I'm also having trouble warming to Matteo for much the same reasons. I don't mind him as a character in his own right,in fact I think he could be quite interesting, but I'm not seeing this chemistry with Jac and think he's completely wrong for her.

I worry they are midelling this after the Connie/Jacob pairing in Casualty where we were constantly being presented with Jacob as some kind of superman, strong, intelligent, brave, handsome, bi lingual, great Nurse, not afraid to stand up to Connie. In their PR bumpth from 2 years ago, "finally a man worthy of Connie, she's met her match" which I found rather insulting to her prior on screen partners and vaguely misogynistic that her match seemed to be a HeMan that could and would dominate her.

To be fair, I haven't seen such statements sbout Jac and Matteo but just have a gut feeling it might be heading that way.

Also, as I said yesterday, why the constant on screen cheering squad, with several comments each episode about how handsome he is, what a marvellous surgeon he is, what a wonderful mentir he is, how Jac needs him as he's a good guy.

I'm finding it jarring truth be told.

Nothing against the actor, he's fine but the wroting is irritating me. And again, I don't see chemistry in the way I instantly did, like in their first scene instant, with Joseph and Jonny.
kitkat1971
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by bel110:
“Me! I liked him in his first ep but I've gone off him since! He's a bit too in your face / space for my liking! I don't really like how he assumes he knows Jacs inner thoughts and feelings, when he hardly knows her at all. I wouldn't mind him so much if he was a little more chilled out, but will give him the benefit of the doubt and a few more weeks / months!”

Yes, that's another good point about him assuming he knows what is really going on with Jac having met her only weeks ago. What's worse (at keast for me) is that I think it is being written that his insight is correct. That he does 'see' her, and therefore understand her, in a way nobody else does and possibly ever has and I just don't buy that.
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