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The Big Holby City Thread (Part 5)
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memmh
21-12-2016
I go hot and cold about Matteo. My main feeling is suspicion. I don't trust him, and I don't like the way his stealing Jac's research (with Guy's help) has been overlooked and ignored. I can't understand how the top brass at Holby would trust him enough to employ him after that.

I also find him rude and extremely unprofessional every time he undermines or disparages Jac and her methods to her staff, and he did that quite a lot in his first couple of episodes.

Occasionally though, and just occasionally, I actually like him.
kitkat1971
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“I go hot and cold about Matteo. My main feeling is suspicion. I don't trust him, and I don't like the way his stealing Jac's research (with Guy's help) has been overlooked and ignored. I can't understand how the top brass at Holby would trust him enough to employ him after that.

I also find him rude and extremely unprofessional every time he undermines or disparages Jac and her methods to her staff, and he did that quite a lot in his first couple of episodes.

Occasionally though, and just occasionally, I actually like him.”

Again, I agree.

Either he was complicit in the intellectual theft in which case, how would the Board trust him considering the embarrassment and money it cost in announcing the breakthrough and being accused ofstealing it tgen having to come to an 'agreement' with Berlin to share ownership, let alone expect Jac to be okay working with him.

Or, he didn't know in which case you've got to question his intelligence and judgement as why would somebody just hand over unpublished research like that? Especially when it wasn't even their field of medicine?

And if he didn't know, he should have been mortified when he found out but we haven't seen a hint of that or contrition or wish to make it up to Jac. He does just undernlmine her.

Yet everybody behaves as though he is the most wonderful thing ever to grace the Wards.

Didn't much care for the nasty comments about Sacha in his leathers either.
EVIL-MONKEY
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“No, you're not alone, I'm also having trouble warming to Matteo for much the same reasons. I don't mind him as a character in his own right,in fact I think he could be quite interesting, but I'm not seeing this chemistry with Jac and think he's completely wrong for her.

I worry they are midelling this after the Connie/Jacob pairing in Casualty where we were constantly being presented with Jacob as some kind of superman, strong, intelligent, brave, handsome, bi lingual, great Nurse, not afraid to stand up to Connie. In their PR bumpth from 2 years ago, "finally a man worthy of Connie, she's met her match" which I found rather insulting to her prior on screen partners and vaguely misogynistic that her match seemed to be a HeMan that could and would dominate her.

To be fair, I haven't seen such statements sbout Jac and Matteo but just have a gut feeling it might be heading that way.

Also, as I said yesterday, why the constant on screen cheering squad, with several comments each episode about how handsome he is, what a marvellous surgeon he is, what a wonderful mentir he is, how Jac needs him as he's a good guy.

I'm finding it jarring truth be told.

Nothing against the actor, he's fine but the wroting is irritating me. And again, I don't see chemistry in the way I instantly did, like in their first scene instant, with Joseph and Jonny.”

I did think about mentioning those two but I didn't want to bring the thread down! As Holby is trouncing Casualty with it's story lines. Matteo's being pushed at us as the perfect character who's going to tame these wild woman but to a lesser degree than Jacob.
kitkat1971
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by EVIL-MONKEY:
“I did think about mentioning those two but I didn't want to bring the thread down! As Holby is trouncing Casualty with it's story lines. Matteo's being pushed at us as the perfect character who's going to tame these wild woman but to a lesser degree than Jacob.”

Yes, that's exactly it.

I think that by making them so superficially wonderful we will view them as being worthy of strong women like Connie and Jac but what it seems to boil down to is "taming" them. And that deep diwn, that's what these women want.

Which I find rather insulting and sexist in this day and age.

As I say, I might be jumping ahead on this and have got completely the wrong end of the stick re their intentions for him but that is my gut instinct.
Collins1965
21-12-2016
I don't think Matteo is anywhere near as annoying as Jacob!!

He is funny for starters and has depth to him unlike the one dimensional muscle man Jacob.

He may well turn out to be a bad un but for now I am enjoying him.
kitkat1971
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Collins1965:
“I don't think Matteo is anywhere near as annoying as Jacob!!

He is funny for starters and has depth to him unlike the one dimensional muscle man Jacob.

He may well turn out to be a bad un but for now I am enjoying him.”

Oh I agree he is nowhete near as bad as,Jacob and as,I said, I think he'll be quite interesting as a stand alone character.

I just suspect the thought processes behind the character creation and potential romance with Jacare along the same lines as Jacob.
skteosk
21-12-2016
I like Matteo as a person and as a character. I'm not sold on him as a love interest for Jac but then I'm not sure that's actually what he is. There's not really been anything romantic about their interaction, it's simply two strong personalities being put on the same ward and Jac struggling with having her alpha status challenged. I'd prefer it if they did stay clear of romantic entanglements, certainly in the short term, but I'm not going to prejudge something that hasn't happened yet. (If it's even going to? Is there definite information that way or is it just a vibe people are getting?)
Natalie52
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Again, I agree.

Either he was complicit in the intellectual theft in which case, how would the Board trust him considering the embarrassment and money it cost in announcing the breakthrough and being accused ofstealing it tgen having to come to an 'agreement' with Berlin to share ownership, let alone expect Jac to be okay working with him.

Or, he didn't know in which case you've got to question his intelligence and judgement as why would somebody just hand over unpublished research like that? Especially when it wasn't even their field of medicine?

And if he didn't know, he should have been mortified when he found out but we haven't seen a hint of that or contrition or wish to make it up to Jac. He does just undernlmine her.

Yet everybody behaves as though he is the most wonderful thing ever to grace the Wards.

Didn't much care for the nasty comments about Sacha in his leathers either.”



I too really hate the constant 'oh he's so beautiful' comments, and even from Sacha, 'is it so wrong for someone to get to know you?'
Get lost guys! Just cos he's pretty and cocky does not make one automatically fancy him.

I'm wondering if this is a way to isolate Jac and perhaps throw some doubt on her suspicions. I'd actually forgotten he was the one to steal/use the research, but clearly she hasn't with her 'I'm going to find out why you're here' remark to him at the end.
I HOPE they dont end up sleeping together.
EVIL-MONKEY
22-12-2016
Oh no!
Spoiler
Serena's going to end up in an accident after an argument with her daughter Elinor (also another Campbell is introduced Liberty Campbell ) and Jason tries to save her!

On a happier note Mo finds out about twisted Inga's secret... *que Psycho music* I think Mo + Mr T will end up getting married soon going by cast pics.

I'm guessing this is his mum 'Mrs Birdie Thompson'! + Hannsens back.
bel110
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by EVIL-MONKEY:
“ Oh no!
Spoiler
Serena's going to end up in an accident after an argument with her daughter Elinor (also another Campbell is introduced Liberty Campbell ) and Jason tries to save her!

On a happier note Mo finds out about twisted Inga's secret... *que Psycho music* I think Mo + Mr T will end up getting married soon going by cast pics.

I'm guessing this is his mum 'Mrs Birdie Thompson'! + Hannsens back.
”

Spoiler

I'm looking forward to all the Mo / Inga stuff ... weddings are always fun and this one has all the ingredients to play out well with good characters / actors involved.

The serena stuff looked interesting in the trailer ....
nick202
22-12-2016
I saw Liberty Campbell in the cast list and I was wondering who she is. Possibly Serena's ex husband's new wife?
memmh
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by EVIL-MONKEY:
“ Oh no!
Spoiler
Serena's going to end up in an accident after an argument with her daughter Elinor (also another Campbell is introduced Liberty Campbell ) and Jason tries to save her!
”

I'm confused about this.

Spoiler
In the winter trailer, we see both Serena and Jason on the ground in the hospital car park, having clearly been run over. Serena is fine, but Jason seems to be unconscious.

I suppose that could have been a red herring in the winter trailer, ie, the accident we were shown was something very minor and there will be another, more serious, accident that didn't appear in the trailer.
bel110
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“I'm confused about this.

Spoiler
In the winter trailer, we see both Serena and Jason on the ground in the hospital car park, having clearly been run over. Serena is fine, but Jason seems to be unconscious.

I suppose that could have been a red herring in the winter trailer, ie, the accident we were shown was something very minor and there will be another, more serious, accident that didn't appear in the trailer.
”

Spoiler

I just presumed Serena is about to be run over and Jason rushes to save her by pushing her out of the way and as a result his injuries are far worst than hers .....
memmh
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by bel110:
“
Spoiler

I just presumed Serena is about to be run over and Jason rushes to save her by pushing her out of the way and as a result his injuries are far worst than hers .....
”

Could be! I didn't think of that
Hollyoaks14
22-12-2016
I just realised I am 3 weeks behind on this soap. I guess thats what happens when you watch 10.
kitkat1971
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by skteosk:
“I like Matteo as a person and as a character. I'm not sold on him as a love interest for Jac but then I'm not sure that's actually what he is. There's not really been anything romantic about their interaction, it's simply two strong personalities being put on the same ward and Jac struggling with having her alpha status challenged. I'd prefer it if they did stay clear of romantic entanglements, certainly in the short term, but I'm not going to prejudge something that hasn't happened yet. (If it's even going to? Is there definite information that way or is it just a vibe people are getting?)”

Vit's interviews with mags like Inside Soap and Whats on TV in his first week certainly indicated a potential romance with comments like Matteo being romantic and passionate and being fascinated and intrigued by Jac plus loving a challenge with his women and on life.

I'd say there have been indications on screen that there's meant to be a spark over than professional head butting with him seeing her differently to how others see her, asking her to ask him to dance, looking over to see her reaction to his sexy Santa outfit, Sacha going on about Jac letting Matteo in, him being allowed to see her after her operation and with Emma etc.

Could all be misdirection of course but I'd say it is being written as the classic conflict before succumbing to his charms dynamic.
crunchie crisp
22-12-2016
Dont like any interaction for Raf with Essie
EVIL-MONKEY
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by memmh:
“I'm confused about this.

Spoiler
In the winter trailer, we see both Serena and Jason on the ground in the hospital car park, having clearly been run over. Serena is fine, but Jason seems to be unconscious.

I suppose that could have been a red herring in the winter trailer, ie, the accident we were shown was something very minor and there will be another, more serious, accident that didn't appear in the trailer.
”

I forgot about that I'm not sure if they're two separate incidents but Serena is definitely in 'a bad way', but Bernie will be there to save 'her love'! (Basically the whole of AAU should just move into one giant house!)

Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Vit's interviews with mags like Inside Soap and Whats on TV in his first week certainly indicated a potential romance with comments like Matteo being romantic and passionate and being fascinated and intrigued by Jac plus loving a challenge with his women and on life.

I'd say there have been indications on screen that there's meant to be a spark over than professional head butting with him seeing her differently to how others see her, asking her to ask him to dance, looking over to see her reaction to his sexy Santa outfit, Sacha going on about Jac letting Matteo in, him being allowed to see her after her operation and with Emma etc.

Could all be misdirection of course but I'd say it is being written as the classic conflict before succumbing to his charms dynamic.”

Not everyone needs to be 'in love' with another character. I still think that Matteo come's across as a d*ck and I'm blaminging it on Oliver Kent's interference!

Originally Posted by crunchie crisp:
“Dont like any interaction for Raf with Essie ”

Although I don't like everyone paired up I still want Essie to go back with Sacha.
Lucytash
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by EVIL-MONKEY:
“I forgot about that I'm not sure if they're two separate incidents but Serena is definitely in 'a bad way', but Bernie will be there to save 'her love'! (Basically the whole of AAU should just move into one giant house!)



Not everyone needs to be 'in love' with another character. I still think that Matteo come's across as a d*ck and I'm blaminging it on Oliver Kent's interference!



Although I don't like everyone paired up I still want Essie to go back with Sacha.”

you really made me laugh about the giant house but shouldn't they move in the staff from the other two wards too!! I actually find Matteo quite attractive - much more of a man that Johnny for Jac.
and yes, Essie should be back with Sacha
kitkat1971
22-12-2016
Oh I agree about not everyone needing to be in love, either yo get it pn or on terms of needing a romantic/sexual story arc in the show.

I'm just saying that is what his interviews and also the interaction so far are suggesting: a will they, won't they romance with Jac. Who has, let's remember, been singke pn screen for over a year sp they probably think is due a new love interest.

I make no secret that I'd rather they'd left her with Jonny off screen, or just have her stay single as many people are fine single for years, unless they could get Luke Roberts back.

That said, as I maintained when Jonny was introduced, I'm a pragmatist and realise in continuing drama, they don't leave characters single for lengthy periods and if actors choose to leave, their onscreen partners have to move on, not stagnate, so I'm willing to give any new love interests a chance, as I did with Jonny adter Joseph.

But, I'm just not feeling any pull with Matteo so far.
Mark39London
22-12-2016
Originally Posted by Lucytash:
“you really made me laugh about the giant house but shouldn't they move in the staff from the other two wards too!! I actually find Matteo quite attractive - much more of a man that Johnny for Jac.
and yes, Essie should be back with Sacha”

I never though Johnny was anything more than a 'quickie' for her, and certainly couldn't see them lasting (or even starting for that matter) as a couple.

Agree about Essie/Sacha; I can't see how anything would work with Raf, but I did like him and Cara.
suki c
27-12-2016
no-one watching tonight????

How odd.....
applepie2100
27-12-2016
So it would seem that Serena's daughter enjoys some of Colombia's finer exports.
Wong_Billabong
27-12-2016
not my favourite episode - getting a bit bored with Mr T and Mo and Raf and Essie doesnt interest me either
RingoJ739K
27-12-2016
This will they or won't they business needs to stop. Mo and Mr T need to get it on already! For good this time!
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