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Old 04-01-2017, 07:55
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Although Elinor refused to be examined, the fact she said she may have banged her head but couldn't remember, Jasmine should have spoken to Serena earlier about this, as serena would have probably demanded/persuaded Elinor to go for the scan immediately. Jasmine seemed more worried about covering up Elinors drug use than making sure she was ok.
Then the "water closet" scene, if someone who has been in an accident, might have banged their head, refused to be treated and is suddenly forgetting the word "bathroom", then you don't let them wander off alone to the loo, while sauntering onto the AAU and casually mentioning to another doctor if they will have a look at her!
Jasmine has been terrible from her first day, irl anyone who messes up that much or is that unprofessional would have been fired way before now.. too much buckpassing and I wonder if Jac and Rik/Hansson might get into trouble for that.
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Old 04-01-2017, 07:58
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Isn't Jasmine a junior doctor who had been left alone? Surely Jas should have been supervised?
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Old 04-01-2017, 08:49
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I'm not sure Jasmi e wpuld have to go.

I wasa bit in and out if the rpom but didn't Elinor refuse to be examined? A doctor can't force somebody to be checked over against their will inless they prove they're mentally incapable of making an.informed decision which would invomve Psych.

Now arguably Jasmine should have taken that step, or at least told somebody else that she hadn't been able to examine her, plus knowing about the Cocaine, so I fully understand why Serena will be furious, but I'm not sure it would-be professional negligence.

Hard to see where Jasmi.e can go from here with fails on all 3 featured wards.

To be fair though, Darwin and Kellar really weren't her fault. Jac was looking for any reason to get rid for personal reasons and Isaac shouldn't have had the authority to boot her off Kellar for what was an IT/Admin error which was fixable, although time consuming.

I agree with the Poster that commented that she really hasn't been adequate support by anybody. There is a mentor system in place for a reason,because it requires constant on job training as there is a limit to how much can be taught in a lecture theatre, even in 6 years. This is partcuarly important for newly qualified Doctors and Jasmine just hasn't had that from anybody. Even Oliver, her first Ssigned mentor, compromised the role by first sleeping with her and then wanting to distance himself for fear of upsetting Zosia. Jasmine was hardly an unwilling participant in the dalliance but it still wasn't fair pn her career wise and Ollie, as the senior, should have known that.

I wish I could go ahhh about MoT but I'm afraid I don't th i nk thst Mo is actually that nice a person to deserve a HEA and has treated him badly for years. But, he loves her so nice for him.
I love your posts and you make some excellent points but the typos/autocorrects make it hilarious/tough to read at times.

I thought that was a brilliant episode last night. Just the right mix of fun and serious stuff.
Jack at the wedding was hilarious.
I do think Jasmine has got the sh*t end of the stick on all the wards she's been placed on and should have been given more supervision and guidance.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:11
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I think that there will have to be an investigation into Ellie's death and that both Jasmine and Serena will be found culpable.
Jasmine should have sought help. Serena was her superior who is responsible for what happens.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:40
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Drunk Jac has started my year off to a great start.Nothing to do with my slight crush on Rosie Marcel
They should give her more opportunities to do comedy - she's very good at it imo. Loved Mr T's mum, too, I hope we saw more of her.

The wedding was all-round excellent, I thought.
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Old 04-01-2017, 09:42
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As Elinors mum, would Serena be responsible for Jasmine though? Genuine question, I have no idea how it works, but Elinor is her daughter, they were both part of an accident & Serena was also emotionally compromised by Jason needing emergency surgery. Surely she wouldn't be allowed to take responsibility for Jas under those circumstances
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:30
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Is Mo now going to be on maternity leave for 6 months? Nice to see her happy with Mr T and the baby.

Poor Serena. Jasmine surely is partly responsible for the tragedy and must face the consequences?

Jac and Ollie so funny at the wedding!
I had wondered this regarding Mo too, Collins. I know they got around it with Jac after Emma was born, by having her refuse to take maternity leave etc, but it wouldn't really ring true for Mo not to take maternity leave, given how much she has wanted to be a mum. Unless Chizzy is planning on taking some time out of the show, and that is part of the reason for the storyline. Alternatively, I suppose, they could have her absent for a while and then have her and Derwood sharing parental leave as he doesn't appear all of the time anyway.

Speaking of Derwood, I had previously said that a great way of making him permanent would be if he had a managerial role, such as Deputy CEO, and that he and Henrick could be a hilarious management double act. Seeing them together last night convinced me of that even more. Perhaps it could happen when Henrick comes back.

Jac and Ollie were hilarious at the wedding. They are an excellent comedy double act. I would love to see more of it. I am also enjoying the developing friendship between Mo and Jac, in recent months. They haven't made it too gushy and unbelievable, but there is clearly a mutual affection and respect there.

I agree with KitKat in that Jasmine has not had proper or adequate mentoring at all. For an episode or two I was wondering whether they were developing her as a sinister character, but I don't think so now. I feel sorry for her, in that she genuinely seems to be well intentioned, but seems to have had a fairly rotten run of luck at Holby. I don't think Serena should have been responsible for her mentoring in last night's circumstances. However, I think that someone more senior should definitely have been called upon.

Last night's episode was one of the only ones I have seen in recent times when all three wards did not appear. In fact it was really only AAU featured, and essentially there were no proper guest illnesses. Ellie has appeared many times before, as has Jason and obviously in terms of the birth storyline, Mo is a regular, so that was also fairly unusual...

I thought it was a good episode. Better than either of the Christmas ones, where nothing particularly exciting seemed to happen this year....
I do find that with Holby though, storylines seem to actually be more heightened after the Christmas break, unlike the other soaps where it all tends to happen at festive times. we had Emma's birth in January too, the Guy/Jac/johnny storyline took off in Jan two years ago, and Zollie, Morven and Digby all got together in the January episode last year also.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:24
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So, I guess it had to happen. Sadly Holby seems to have a habit of building up super-couples that I find dull and annoying. We're obviously meant to be Team Mo but the problem is she's just as big a bitch as Inga, despite the script trying to tell us otherwise, and the fact that Inga is a fairly three-dimensional character (love that her self-deprecating laughter during the ceremony completely deflated Mo's bitchy sniggering) makes the difference even less. At least Inga got a proper exit scene, she seemed to disappear after the reveal. Great way to bring Henrik back and he, Jac and Oliver were good value throughout.

So is Jasmine going to get sacked from yet another ward, after killing her boss' daughter? (Maybe. Elinor seemed to veer between dead and alive quite a bit and it wasn't entirely clear if she was brain dead at the end or not.) While Ellie wasn't entirely co-operative during the examination, she didn't actually seem to refuse when Jasmine said she needed to examine her pupils, Jasmine just dropped the matter. (Are all those references to her and Cal having a thing for each other setting her up to be transferred to Casualty next? Because that would be interesting.) Good role for Morven despite not appearing much. Not sure what the point was of Liberty unless they were establishing her for a later appearance: She just turned up, hung around doing nothing for a bit and then left.
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Old 04-01-2017, 11:46
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I found the hiccups at the wedding a bit silly, but I suppose that was as good a way as any to prevent Mo from stopping Mama T's announcement.

I loved Jac last night. It's always good when she lets people see her human side, and I loved the added moments of humour,

As I said last week, Jasmine hasn't had any mentoring whatsoever since she's been at Holby. There was Ollie initially, but that stopped as soon as they started dating. Then I think there was one episode with Hansen after her accusation against Ric, but that couldn't continue because Hansen wasn't there after that. And the only friend she seems to have is Dom, who has his own problems at the moment. Sacha made one or two half-hearted attempted to mentor her but it didn't go very far. As for Isaac getting her transferred, well, he seems to be Ric's golden boy at the moment (Ric even seems to be putting Isaac ahead of Sacha, like with the speech Isaac was asked to make, and you could see Sacha was disappointed not to be considered) so I imagine if Isaac threw a strop and demanded Jasmine's removal from his vicinity, Ric wouldn't have had a problem with it. It's a shame, because the character is well-meaning and has shown a few moments of excellence, but Jasmine's inexperience was the problem last night. She allowed her knowledge of Ellie's drug-using, and Ellie's very obvious desire to cover that up, to distract her from treating Ellie properly. Unfortunately, she was left on her own to cover the department and had no one to turn to for advice at the time. She did ask Morven for a second opinion once Moven was out of surgery, but by then it was too late. I don't actually think Jasmine should be blamed under the circumstances, but I can't see where they'll take the character from here, which is a shame because Lucinda Dryzek is a good actress and the character has potential -- not forgetting that Jasmine was brought in because she's Jac's sister and they've done nothing with that so far.

For me, Bernie was the star of last night's episode in the way that she did everything she could for Serena, which I didn't entirely expect given Bernie's emotional distance from her own family. Operating on Jason (which, of course, Serena couldn't do), taking over Serena's patient afterwards so Serena could be with Jason, being the one to tell her about Ellie, the one to ask about organ donation and to persuade Serena to call Edward rather than letting anyone else have that difficult conversation with Serena, telling the rest of the staff of the AAU what had happened with Ellie... she was extremely supportive in a very understated way. I just hope we don't see Serena pulling away from Bernie in the aftermath. Oh, and I applauded Morven when she recognised what Bernie was doing for Serena and thought to offer Bernie support.

I didn't like Liberty. Not because we weren't meant to like her, but because I didn't like the acting. With everyone else, their acting is such that you believe they are their characters but with the actress playing Liberty, I was too conscious of watching an actress playing a character. Perhaps because from the brief glimpse of her, the actress doesn't really know who the character is, but I don't usually get that sense from guest characters. I'm presuming she'll be back and the antagonism between her and Serena is going to increase and make the loss of Ellie even harder for Serena.

I'm glad Hansen seems to be back. I find him a very calming influence and I didn't really feel Ric was properly at the helm in Henrik's absence.

Overall, it was a very good episode. The wedding and Mo going into labour could so easily have been over-the-top farcical slapstick but they managed to avoid it -- just! -- and it was a good contrast to the drama taking place in AAU.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:10
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Fab episode, it had it all last night, births, deaths and marriages!

I LOVE Mr T, by far by fave character and i think Ben Hull is such a talented actor. The wedding was silly, but so much fun to watch. Mo and Jac both in the pool was funny. Loved drunk Jac. I felt a bit sorry for Inga. As many have said we are not meant to like her, but i didn't mind her, and agree that Mo isn't perfect either. In fact Mo has been really horrible to Inga when she didn't really deserve it.
But much fun, and a nice setting too, though hard to believe it was supposed to be January as they were all outside in short sleeves and bare feet at one point!

A complete shocker with Elinor, and a sad contrast to the fun of the wedding. I didn't particularly like Elinor, but it was a sad ending.

One of the best episodes in ages though.
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:29
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(Are all those references to her and Cal having a thing for each other setting her up to be transferred to Casualty next? Because that would be interesting.) .
It really does feel like she might end up on Casualty doesn't it and I really can't see how she can stay working under Serena. Even if she is cleared from negligence as there are also other factors to blame, I can't see that she and Serena would be able to work together, certainly not in a junior / senior role. As someone else mentioned they haven't really done anything with Jac / Jas, so maybe Jac will swoop in and offer to have Jas back on Darwin as a last attempt to build bridges and help her, but other than that I'm not sure where else she will go in the hospital and it does seem a bit strange for her to leave completely when they haven't explored the sisters relationship properly yet. Maybe they'll send her to Casualty for a few months and then she'll come back to Holy when the dust has settled and Hansen is back.

It does seem very tragic that Serena and Connie are both dealing with daughters with major life threatening injuries. It's a bit crazy that Grace survived a car crash down a mountain followed by a Helicopter crash whereas Ellie is brain dead after hitting her head on the steering wheel, but then I guess that's sadly the way life goes. Or are the drugs ( combined with the hit on the head ) the main cause of Ellie's injury?
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:33
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Would be a big mistake if they let go of Jasmine. The actress is really good and Jasmine is a cool likeable person with more charisma than the others. Liked her straight away
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Old 04-01-2017, 12:49
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I actually don't see Jasmine going to casualty anytime soon. I think she will be at Holby a while longer. I think that these disasters are a character arch for her and that she will eventually prove herself to her superiors and the relationship with Jac will be developed.

I wonder, though, could there be a crossover, or even if Cal might be headed for Holby at some point. I think that he would work well in Holby actually. Jas being attracted to him has been referenced a lot, so I think there might be something to come from it.
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Old 04-01-2017, 13:48
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I actually don't see Jasmine going to casualty anytime soon. I think she will be at Holby a while longer. I think that these disasters are a character arch for her and that she will eventually prove herself to her superiors and the relationship with Jac will be developed.

I wonder, though, could there be a crossover, or even if Cal might be headed for Holby at some point. I think that he would work well in Holby actually. Jas being attracted to him has been referenced a lot, so I think there might be something to come from it.
I said a while ago on the Casualty thread that I thought Cal should transfer to Holby. First of all, I think it'll do Cal and Ethan good to have some distance between them. Secondly, Cal never actually does any work in Casualty, always passing it off to Ethan, and I don't see Jac, Serena or Ric letting him get away with that, not to mention Mo, Morven etc etc. Finally, as you and others have said, there have been a number of mentions from Cal about Jasmine and vice versa, which would imply they could end up together. With Raf being moved out of AAU, that leaves a space for Cal, depending what they do with Jasmine, and Casualty to AAU isn't an unrealistic move for the character.
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Old 04-01-2017, 14:11
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I had wondered this regarding Mo too, Collins. I know they got around it with Jac after Emma was born, by having her refuse to take maternity leave etc, but it wouldn't really ring true for Mo not to take maternity leave, given how much she has wanted to be a mum. Unless Chizzy is planning on taking some time out of the show, and that is part of the reason for the storyline. Alternatively, I suppose, they could have her absent for a while and then have her and Derwood sharing parental leave as he doesn't appear all of the time anyway.

Speaking of Derwood, I had previously said that a great way of making him permanent would be if he had a managerial role, such as Deputy CEO, and that he and Henrick could be a hilarious management double act. Seeing them together last night convinced me of that even more. Perhaps it could happen when Henrick comes back.

Jac and Ollie were hilarious at the wedding. They are an excellent comedy double act. I would love to see more of it. I am also enjoying the developing friendship between Mo and Jac, in recent months. They haven't made it too gushy and unbelievable, but there is clearly a mutual affection and respect there.

I agree with KitKat in that Jasmine has not had proper or adequate mentoring at all. For an episode or two I was wondering whether they were developing her as a sinister character, but I don't think so now. I feel sorry for her, in that she genuinely seems to be well intentioned, but seems to have had a fairly rotten run of luck at Holby. I don't think Serena should have been responsible for her mentoring in last night's circumstances. However, I think that someone more senior should definitely have been called upon.

Last night's episode was one of the only ones I have seen in recent times when all three wards did not appear. In fact it was really only AAU featured, and essentially there were no proper guest illnesses. Ellie has appeared many times before, as has Jason and obviously in terms of the birth storyline, Mo is a regular, so that was also fairly unusual...

I thought it was a good episode. Better than either of the Christmas ones, where nothing particularly exciting seemed to happen this year....
I do find that with Holby though, storylines seem to actually be more heightened after the Christmas break, unlike the other soaps where it all tends to happen at festive times. we had Emma's birth in January too, the Guy/Jac/johnny storyline took off in Jan two years ago, and Zollie, Morven and Digby all got together in the January episode last year also.
It's because episode 13 is always their character led, stand alone episode of the season, usually involving extensive location work. Meaning that it focuses almost entirely on the regular cast and any medical issues are related to them rather than the standard 3 ward, patient of the week set up. They usually have something significant happen re changing certain characters lives or writing someone out as well.

2013 was Hansenn/Hemmingway with all the Swedish filming where we learnt about both their histories, Hansenn got new direction by learning the truth anout his Mothers suicide and hus father dying and Luc left. Medical stories being Hansenns dad and Luc himself.

2014 was Emma's birth and Rics Cambridge reunion. Patients being Rics girlfriend and Jac.

2015 was Mos sisters wedding where she learnt the truth of her parentage and the Patient was Ina.

2016 was the Outward Bound Away Day where Digby and Morven got together and Zosia and Ollie also got together, changing direction for both couples. Patient someone on the course iirc.

2017 was the Swedish themed wedding, Charlie's birth, Mot getting together and Elinors effective death. Patients being Jason, Elinor and Mo.

Even way back in 2011, whilst they didn't do the location work and still featured all 3 wards, it was Joseph's last episode which effectively was all about him, his finally setting the ghost of competing with his father to bed by successfully completing the project he wss working, and failing, on when he died, relationship with Jac and deciding to leave for his child.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:04
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My fave episode in sooooooooo long

Loved Mo/Mr T wedding baby drama. The additions of Jac and Hanssen just made it totally perfect, I don't care if it was over the top. The comedic value of it all was brilliant. Especially the Smart car following the taxi.

Serena That Eleanor was always a bit of a nightmare but she obviously had issues and didn't really deserve to die I really like the Serena/Bernie thing. I know lots of people don't but I love them! I hope Serena doesn't push Bernie away like every other character seems to in Soaps when something bad happens.

I feel like Jasmine is gonna be in trouble, rightly or wrongly.
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:22
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I said a while ago on the Casualty thread that I thought Cal should transfer to Holby. First of all, I think it'll do Cal and Ethan good to have some distance between them. Secondly, Cal never actually does any work in Casualty, always passing it off to Ethan, and I don't see Jac, Serena or Ric letting him get away with that, not to mention Mo, Morven etc etc. Finally, as you and others have said, there have been a number of mentions from Cal about Jasmine and vice versa, which would imply they could end up together. With Raf being moved out of AAU, that leaves a space for Cal, depending what they do with Jasmine, and Casualty to AAU isn't an unrealistic move for the character.
Yes, Fletch could put in a word for him too!
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:10
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I agree with other's regarding the exposure of lack of support for junior Dr's but once it is found out then I fear it is business as usual where nothing is learnt from the experience. I do not know the processes with these things about going forward. Jasmine's direction now is up for discussion and it is has been discussed so far. I would like her to stay as she has potential given the right support etc. I think Jac could play a role being her sister and all. I want her to prove to everyone she can be an amazing doctor. If she does stay then I hope she provides Dom support.

I am pleased that Jason survived but Elanor Elizabeth Campbell becoming brain dead i did not see coming and I am wondering what the aftermath is and will Berena Campwolfe stay as I worry this could be the end of them given all the build-up. I also think drugs are involved and they should be discovered and the truth will come out at some point.

Momma T I liked really much and can Nanna T appear more often please? Good to see Henrik and I did not know he and Woody aka Derwood play chess. Henrik being Sweden's Mr Darcy I concur. I am pleased for Mo and Derwood getting together AT LAST. Is it true Mo is scheduled to pop down to the ED soon?

Jac was another highlight due to her one liners, her friendship with Mo, double act with Ollie and in a pantsuit.
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I think that there will have to be an investigation into Ellie's death and that both Jasmine and Serena will be found culpable.
Jasmine should have sought help. Serena was her superior who is responsible for what happens.
The thing is, who could Jasmine have got help from? Bernie, Morven and Serena were all in surgery, not to mention Serena wasn't the best person to help under the circumstances -- her nephew was knocked over and injured in an accident her daughter caused. Fletch, in the meantime, just handed over a pile of patient files to Jasmine and told her no one else was available to help, including himself because he was also taking care of his own load of patients; he basically told her she was on her own. Jasmine did ask Morven for a second opinion when she was out of surgery, but unfortunately, it was too late by that time. I'm not sure what else Jasmine could have done under the circumstances. Yes, she should have been more forceful with Elinor instead of allowing herself to be deflected by her knowledge of Elinor's drug-taking, but Jasmine's lack of experience and her lack of support were equally at fault there.
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The thing is, who could Jasmine have got help from? Bernie, Morven and Serena were all in surgery, not to mention Serena wasn't the best person to help under the circumstances -- her nephew was knocked over and injured in an accident her daughter caused. Fletch, in the meantime, just handed over a pile of patient files to Jasmine and told her no one else was available to help, including himself because he was also taking care of his own load of patients; he basically told her she was on her own. Jasmine did ask Morven for a second opinion when she was out of surgery, but unfortunately, it was too late by that time. I'm not sure what else Jasmine could have done under the circumstances. Yes, she should have been more forceful with Elinor instead of allowing herself to be deflected by her knowledge of Elinor's drug-taking, but Jasmine's lack of experience and her lack of support were equally at fault there.
Totally agree with this. Any investigation should find a failure to provide adequate supervision/mentoring to a Foundation Doctor. Jasmine wasn't in a position to tell Serena that her daughter was doing cocaine; doing so would have breeched confidentiality (they are all adults) and by the time it became relevant, it was too late anyway.

I thought the whole wedding was hilarious and loved the interaction between all of the characters involved. It made a very enjoyable 'out of the hospital' segment.
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