Jac is who she always was as far as I can see. Her and Ollie together was interesting and I agree it wait more about ollie. Jac treated him like she always did. It is him that has changed but in his interactions with her you can she him trying really hard to move on from his past. Ollie isn't tough... His past hasn't made him that. Zosia is now but he is much more vulnerable.

Very obvious 'issues' between Ollie and Zosia. Moving out of his space. She seems very wary.

Love Dominic and the patient.

Yes, I would agree with that.

The interesting thing though is that when Ollie and Zosia initially didn't get on, I got the impression that the reason Ollie was so tough on her was because he was trying to work towards getting the same dynamic with her as he used to have with Jac, with him in Jac's position. He saw her get Mentor of the Year by the way she mentored him, so it clearly worked. But Jac knows how to do it well - I feel like the reason it didn't work when Ollie was doing it was because he was trying to model himself on someone else, whereas Jac was just being herself. (I know people say that she models herself on Connie, but I think Jac has a lot more originality to her - Jac's harshness has a lot more wit about it than Connie's does, that has always been evident.)

Haven't seen all of it but although jac wasn't quite as bad as i thought it might be (from what i saw) it was still horrible and i do see it as character regression, not even just of 5 years byt closer to 8 or 9.

Whether it was pride, game playing, personal antipathy towards Guy, a 'test' for oliver, she did place that Patient at unnecessary risk. She should have immediately seen they'd need a Nuerosurgeon when operating that close to the spine and immediately paged one, even if it was Self. Yes, Guy was no better but that is besides the point in examining Jac's action. This is the kind of stuff she did when she first started to get one over on Diane when competing to be made consultant. And of course this led to her being humiliated in Theatre by Oliver and Guy - which was deserved on this occasion but i still hate. And I see we have the joys of her going head to head with a Nurse (who will probably be backed by most colleagues) and a Negligence claim next week. Oh joy.

I don't think Oliver is less confident now. He started off very confident as a F1 and then lost nearly all of it during his original Darwin and AAU stints in 2010/11. He has built up ever since rejoining CT after Penny's death, thanks to the combination of Jac and Elliot's mentoring with a bit of Mo thrown in as well.

Dom and Patient. Yes, good chemistry and very common situation. It is a well known problem of patients 'falling in love' with their Doctors and whilst sometimes it will be genuine, they'd have felt like that even if meeting in a Pub with no professional conduct, often it is a side effect of the them being so vulnerable and 'saved'. Often, of course, the doctor will find the Patient attractive as well, they are only human and can spend a lot of time with them.

But, rules re getting involved exist for a reason, to protect both parties so completely inappropriate.

Been a while since we had a doctor / patient romance though. Last one i remember was Penny and him off 'Revenge'.

I don't think Jac was horrible. Actually she was fine, apart from Self. Just her very witty, unique Self. She has known Ollie a long time and their relationship was always quirky and he did periodically have freak out and leave her. She does have a control thing with him but she has always respected him. She may never have liked Penny but she was upset about Tara because of him.

I don't know why Ollie was harsh to Zosia in the beginning. Part of me thinks he was attracted to her from the start (and he didn't like it) and the fact she was bolshi and didn't just respect him like he thought he should be got things off to a bad start.

Ollie is very vulnerable, he's just in professional mode at the moment.

I hope Dominic and the patient can get together. I like them together.

Ever since Penny's death there has been a huge schism between professional and personal Ollie. She must have provided him with emotional security because since her death he has tried to replace that with Tara and then go all: I am an island. Thing is you couldn't get someone more emotionally wounded then him now. Worse than after Penny.

Jac's return was nowhere near as bad as I feared - she is (mostly) still herself. The Ollie thing was about 20% Jac, 80% Ollie - it was nearly all his "stuff". If she stays like this I will be fine with her. Yes, softer Jac is gone but she is still recognisably Jac to me.

What's the deal with her and Fran? I'm thinking maybe they were fostered together and Fran bullied her so revenge will be sweet (and probably vengeful).

The chemistry between Dom and Lee is amazing. Hope they get together, they would be a lovely couple. But there must be something as true love would never run that smooth for Dom.......

Morven was all sorts of wrong last night. Arthur is not cold at all. I thought he was looking rather dishy, too!!

Much better episode - Jac has brought Darwin back to life at last.

Why did someone say Jac (the character) was back from maternity leave? Surely Emma must be nearly 2.
Also, didn't Dom spot that guy first in the bar before he was a patient? I.e. it's a real attraction not a doc/ patient thing

Yes, you're right it probably is more of an 8 or 9 year regression!
Also agree re Guy. Jac was every bit as bad and if this was real life (it's not I know) any patient or relative would be horrified to know that their health and possibly life was put at risk by two egotistical surgeons who were having a squabble.

I also think the brief reference to co habiting last night is all we will hear about happened to Jonny, unfortunately. I am pleased that Jac is co parenting Emma, but I really do think that this has been a real slight to Jonny's character. His whole leaving storyline was geared around getting together with Jac. He had to leave Holby etc, but he's got the family he wanted in return. Now apparently he didn't get that after all and we don't even know what has happened to him! If this was their intention, then Jonny should have had his own separate non Jac related ending.

I also think that if anything, Ollie's confidence has improved since he returned. I thought that last night was more a depiction of how far he had come as a surgeon and how Jac being back reminded him of a time when he didn't feel so confident. Hence the need to prove himself as the surgeon he is now.

The whole Jac 'testing' Ollie was downright silly. It didn't make any sense and seemed to be rather petty for a consultant of Jac's standing. Also, again it was done with no regard for the patient on Jac's part. In fairness to Ollie, he was the only one who
seemed to be genuinely concerned with that patient's health.

She deferred her Maternity Leave - ie, because she never took the time when Emma was first born, she was entitled to take it later which she did in April so is now back 8 months later.

I have no idea if you are allowed to do that in real life but that was the explanation given.

Jac Naylor reminded me of Caroline Bliss's Miss Moneypenny with those glasses. Is it me or Fran dislikes Jac? The whole Neurosurgey on Darwin reminded me of the begging of Holby City as Keller started on Darwin. I would not be surprised if this and Guy is a future SL

Dominic and Lee are pushing the boundaries regarding ethics

This rather annoys me ( as it did when Neuro was on Keller) Neurology is listed as having its own floor (4?) as you see in the stairwell scenes. Its just a thing to keep Guy in the show isn't it?

Yes. Nuero always had its own ward. As you say Louise, whilst it was never focused on, it has always been on the signs. But they want to be able to have Guy interacting with everybody else so this is the way to do it.

Also, I'm not sure it makes sense for it to be Darwin. Surely Herzig didn't just fizzle away after Jac left? It was going from strength to strength, and Holby had achieved 'supaCentre' status (something that seems to have been forgotten about) so wouldn't that mean CT Patients would go up in quantity as they queued up to get this moracle device and have it fitted by the pioneers?

But, they probably want Guy and Jac head to head, and is is possible Hansenn has picked Darwin for precisely that reason, he reckons Jac is strong enough to keep clipping Guy's wings, as alluded to by Serena a couple of weeks ago. He orobably doesn't want the day to day hassle of dealing with him on Kellar as that is his Ward when he does fo Clinical work.

I don't know what Fran's problem with Jac is but she did seem to have one and immediately. Could be as simple as her knowing she used to date Guy (Fran's squeeze) but i doubt it. I'd say they've crossed paths at some stage previously - at another Hospital or, as Collins suggested (quite cleverly I thought) in foster care. Marcel did say something about a storyline involving a blast from Jac's past and Emma and her history as a fostered child could tie into that.

Thanks kitkat

Yes, it makes sense to me that the connection would go back a bit so them being fostered together is a real possibility. Didn't Jac mention (possibly to Michael or Joseph) that she was miserable back then?? Deserted by her mother and prickly as hell, I would say she would have hated an outgoing confident type like Fran, and vice versa.

The blast from the past could be their former foster mother which would bring up all sorts for Jac.

All supposition, of course, no proof whatsoever. It's intriguing, though.

Yes, Jac has mentioned never having 'fit in' and being difficult so her foster families 'couldn't wait to be rid of me' to a few people including Charles Byrne and Paula. Indeed, there is her first foster family, with the daughter Emma (who her Emma we assume was named) who were nice to her and she didn't know how to react because she wasn't used to it and she hated Emma because she was so perfect and had everything whilst jac had nothing. She doesn't say any more about them, or why she had to leave (and we know she did as she told Charles and Joseph she'd had several different famlies and we saw she was in an actual children's home some of the time in her flashnacks) but i think it is a fair assumption that shek"l have been horrible to Emma out of jealousy so the Parents had no choice but to put their biological daughter first and tell social Services that Jac couldn't stay.

That may well have been a pattern whiich repeated so it's more than possible that Jac bullied Fran (i'm sure it will be that way round) and Fran now bears a grudge and perhaps is out to get Jac but most won't believe her and assume it is Jac being horrible to Fran.

I've only recently started watching Holby City, and I was just wondering about Jac and Guy? There seem to be tension between them and I just wondered what their background was, have they had disputes before? Or is that just Jac's character, she's cold towards most people?

Ollie and Jac always behaved that way with eachother. Like when he left her to run off to ortopedics or when he nearly quit to join some finance job. And she has always dealt with him in that way. What has changed is that Ollie has lost his hubris. He was quite arrogant when he got to be an F2 and started playing with the big boys...he and Penny did a swaps in their attitude. He has lost that now. Bit arrogant when it comes to the job but no way personally and not with hubris.

Jac and Guy had a fling last year. It was just sex as far as Jac was concerned. She dumped him to get back with Jonny who was the father of her daughter Emma. So he is possibly still a bit miffed about that.

Jac is a prickly character who can come across as cold, rude and uncaring. This is mainly down to the fact that she was deserted by her mother (who turns up later and is a complete monster) at the age of 12 and was put in foster care.

Jac takes no prisoners but can also be a loyal ans caring friend. Not many see that side of her, though. So far only Elliot, Sacha and Joseph (with whom she had a toxic relationship but also really loved and he also loved her despite the fact she had an affair with his father to further her career!!) have seen the softer side of Jac. Jonny loved her too but could not come to terms with her "cold" nature and ended up hating her for a (long) while before the reunited with have now split again.

She is a bit of a marmite character. Those who love her (me, for one) see the caring Jac behind the cold facade and those that hate her see the bitchy Jac who makes life miserable for those around her.

In short, she is a complex character and livens things up no end!!

Jac and Guy had a personal relationship at the beginning of the year. We didn't see much of it, except the odd snog but it was made clear they were sleeping together and we're a power couple both personally and professionally.

Then, Jonny, (Jac's baby father) started objecting to guy's policies, saying that increased working and theatre times would mean mistakes would be made and Patients would die.

Then a Patient Died and guy didn't exactly frame Jonny for it, but encouraged the circumstantial evidence and said any fault was sown to the personal Nurse rather than trust understaffing.

Jac came out on Jonny's side, paying for his lawyer and reconconciling with him, dumping Guy personally and professionally as she went on deferred Maternity Leave.

OH FFS! Brace yourself guys.

It is only a matter of time before she runs for Prime Minister.

Does anyone have any Christmas spoilers yet? Or know which characters the Christmas episodes will focus on?

Sorry nothing which I would think to need to hide. Just Fran steps up her hatred against Jac and it looks like there will be a Raf/Fletch/Ms C x-mas

Is Fletch still living with Raf?

Yes, I believe he is.

Hope this isn't off topic but thought i'd mention it

Billy Chase, Connie's dad was played by two different actors in 2007 and 2010. Both guest star in Doctor who next Saturday for anybody that would like to compare and contrast!