You'd think so, but then with four central characters leaving in one epiosode, all happily, and no more due to leave soon that we are aware of, I can't see how anything horrible could happen for the forseable future. With all of the new arrivals over the coming weeks, it would appear that it will be a reasonably cheery time at Holby.

I suppose with Harry's near death experience and the aftermath, and Jonny's imprisonment and stabbing, the gloomy times have been done relatively recently.

I love them too, though it's a shame Digby isn't still with them because the three of them worked brilliantly together. On the other hand, he's bedding in well on AAU, I think.

I loved that episode, from the blatant attempts to pretend Selfie was stepping down because of his love for surgery rather than because he's a twonk, to the absolutely lovely, heartwarming exit for Mary-Claire and Dr Posh. And the sight of Jac playing Connect 4 is one I'll treasure for years.

Episode review here

So Harrys 'devastating life changing injuries' amounted to nothing then.
I've missed the last few weeks and there he was last night looking the same as he did before the accident.

Glad him and MC had a happy ending though i'm sad to lose MC.

And are Jac and Jonny back together?

Great review Clover! I thought the episode was just great too! Mary Claire totally deserved a happy ending and I think that Harry did too in the end. It was heartwarming to say the least.

Also loved the reuniting of team Darwin in the last scene.

I'm also enjoying Zosia and Dominic at the moment and whilst I initially had concerns about Digby going to AAU I think that so far he is working well there with Raf and Fletch.

Tentatively raises hand in agreement.

I hate to rain on anybody's parade and am pleased for those who invested in the relationship - and i know there are many of you. But, I'm not that thrilled at Harry getting a HEA when so many better, nicer, more competent and frankly more interesting characters have not. They've either been killed horribly (Penny, Maddy, Victoria, Diane, Ben, Steve, Will), left under a cloud with the suggestion that their career is in ruins through no fault of their own (Greg as one but i'm sure there have been others), chronically or terminally sick (Alex and Nick if his tumout comes back) or having to give up the love of their lives to concentrate on family, often after a bereavement (Owen, Joseph, even Sam to a certain extent).

Harry wasn't a nice person, he was still a crap doctor right till the end (he ended up in that cradle because the relative felt ignored and dismissed by harry and i could see why he felt that) and still arrogant. His face looks to be fine, he's got the girl, dog and apparently is going to get to see his baby. What has he done to deserve this?

I know many could/would argue that jac doesn't deserve a HEA either but at least we've had 9 years of growth with her, we understand why she's been nasty at points and she has suffered a great deal as karmic retribution for her nastier acts.

i'm not looking forward to the elliot, Mo, Adele tag team either and don't think elliot will just give up or even share the position when Jac gets back. I got a distinct feeling that we were supposed to believe that the 'correct' order had been regained last night. Jac should never have been promoted, she and Guy have now accepted that so won't fight elliot ever again. Which makes me want to puke quite frankly.

I do love that Guy assured Elliot there would be no interference when he isn't actually going to be the person in charge. He can't predict what the new CEO will do can he!

Also, what exactly does 'complete autonomy' mean? That'll he'll be able to do hopeless operations and spend she'd loads of money chasing fools errands when it could and probably should be spent elsewhere in the Trust? Elliot does have this 'people matter more than money' attitude which is great in principle but in the real world there is only so much money in the pot and decisions re priorities have to be made. Other Doctors have Patients they want/need to go the extra mile for too and can't if elliot is constantly doing things which take money unchecked.

Whilst I have grown to like him over the last few months, I do understand why others feel the way they do about Harry getting a HEA. However, I have to say, I do think that Mary Claire definitely deserved a happy ending as much as any of the other characters mentioned above who didn't get one. I would also like to have seen most of those characters get Happy Ever Afters too and it is unfortunate that they didn't. I do think it was the ideal ending for Mary Claire's character, as she had been consistently unlucky in love from her arrival and was clearly smitten with Harry from his arrival. I'd think of the storyline more as him manning up and finally realising how amazing she was and deciding to follow her, rather than her settling for someone who wasn't good enough for her. I also like how they went to Chicago to follow HER dream job rather than her following Dr Harry on some career related trip. I liked the idea that he had to follow her and Norman to Chicago, rather than the exit being a plan devised by him.

Incidentally, whilst I am very pleased (particularly for the fans) that Janny got a lovely, happy ending, I am not entirely sure that Jac or Jonny 'deserved' it any more than Harry and certainly not as much as MC. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Jac as a character and am very much looking forward to seeing her again, but she has done some fairly awful things to colleagues etc throughout her tenure, eg offering to sell Darwin colleagues out when it looked like plastics would be a speciality, blaming Chrissie for her own mistake, some would argue the way Elliot was treated over Herzig. etc etc... Whilst she's had a hard time by way of retribution, she has progressed right up the career ladder and now has lovely family unit at the end. I am very pleased re all of this as I love the character, but it could definitely be argued by many that she wasn't as deserving of the happy ending as some of the characters mentioned, particularly someone like Dianne.

Re Jonny also, again I like the character (albeit not as much as either MC or Jac), but he was pretty awful to Jac over Emma's custody, downright nasty at times and we've never had any indication that he's learned from his behaviour at that time. Yes he's had the suffering of losing Bonnie, the imprisonment, stabbing etc etc but still many might argue that he deserved a happy ending less than many other characters who didn't get one.

Harry also has had a fair amount of retribution for his earlier bad deeds lately: the near death fall, the initial facial injuries (which I have to agree have recovered pretty well!) Calum being taken off to Singapore, nearly losing his career when Raf lied so in many ways he has also had quite a lot of pay back in a short time too.

Essentially, I am delighted that all four characters got HEAS as I have been significantly invested in them all as individuals. However, I think MC was the most 'deserving' of a HEA and in my opinion whilst Harry did get the whole package in the end, he did leave Holby to follow MC to her dream job and in many ways is no less deserving of a happy ending than Jonny and possibly Jac too. Although, I certainly agree that there is an argument that neither Harry, Jac or Jonny were as deserving as many of the others mentioned who didn't get them. Just my opinion though! I am quite happy that they got them whether they were technically 'deserved' or not.

You see, this might be sacrilege, but although i love MC re finding her entertaining, i don't actually think she has always been very nice. Dedicated or competent. I remember Sahira having to bribe her into actually doing her job with a designer handbag. I also remember Donna having to plead with her not to act up and again just do her job when Kellar was due an inspection. Also, uluckly in love? Really? Edward is the only person i can remember her being involved with that treated her badly. MC was portrayed as a flighty, only out for herself and fun, gossipy, lazy person until the last year or so. It was Pat that brought her round and she didn't want to treat him, i rewatched the episode a few days ago. I don't actually feel we've seen enough of her 'manning up' and becomingin a good nurse for nursing's sake. It's been rather 'tell not show' with people like Ric and Serena saying she is a good nurse now.

Mc's negative qualities have never been given an explanation, unlike Jac's and she certainly hasn't suffered as much.

So, whilst i do like MC, i don't actually think she is that deserving of a HEA either.

Jonny, well most of his bad behaviour was towards Jac and either areaction to her hurtingbhim or in grief and guilt at Bonnie's death. I didn't like it, AT ALL, but I do understand it and also feel that he has suffered karmically enough to counter it. Jac and Jonny hurt each other, if they can forgive each other than fair enough. As pointed out, 'there will never be a pyppy, it won't be fair' etc. Their lives together won't be easy due to the type of people they are so not a fairytale ending in that respect. Not in the way MC and Harry were depicted.

Maybe that is why i preferred it, it all seemed rather more 'adult' and pragmatic to me.

I do agree with what you say about Harry following her though.

Also just to add, MC is getting the dream job AND the man whereas Jac seems to have had to give up her career for family. Yes, they have to re-employ her at the end of the 'maternity leave' but she won't be returning to the same job, let alone the Clinical Lead of Super Centre and American Ambassador for Herzig she was at. So she has had to sacrifice, even now.

Re unlucky in love for MC, Edward was the biggest disaster but she also was let down by Greg and obviously Harry at the outset when he ran after Gemma instead despite her obvious devotion. I also remember the episode re her sister's wedding when she told Harry about how she was dealing with being on her own. I think it was always made fairly clear that she was a good time girl she was really searching for the one and continually seemed to be running after men who didn't reciprocate.

I agree she was definitely more flighty before she was a regular, but I think it was always portrayed that she had a good heart and was caring, if easily distracted.

Again, whilst I love Jac I do think that a lot of the things she's done to colleagues were more calculating than anything MC has ever done. The occurrences I mentioned above and of course having an affair with Joseph's father. But these are all part of what has made Jac such a great character, so I'm not complaining. But I do see MC as being an all round more likeable person, despite the fact that I do find Jac brilliant to watch.

I actually do think that in recent months we've seen MC as a very capable nurse, really listening to patients and on several ocassions saving Harry when he's missed things.

Totally agree that Jac and Jonny's ending may have been more pragmatic, but then I think that suited their characters far better. To me the complete fairytale ending was more suited to MC's character and I always felt we were given the impression that that was what she was looking for.

Regardless, I am just pleased they all got to leave happily.

Yes agreed re this. For this reason I don't see Jac as having had her final ending as yet. I don't see why she should have to sacrifice career for family. I think she could have both like many women.
I agree re MC getting the dream job and the man and pleased for the character that it worked out that way.
I'd ideally like to see Jac having both in the end too.

Apologies if this is slightly off topic, but does anyone have a link to episodes 20 and 21 of the current series (17). I've searched on youtube but these ones seem to be missing. Any pointers greatly appreciated.

I see that Adele is going to be involved in finding Mo's long lost father next week. Perhaps she could locate Lord Lucan and Shergar the following week.

She is a treasure isn't she.

I am so relieved she wasn't in that final scene with Jac and Jonny.

I think we all were. I think I see what they are going for, I often see glimpses with a number of characters throughout the franchise that aren't quite clicking - just too much, too inconsistent, shoe-horned into storylines she has no business being in because she simply is too junior and ill-trained and just there evidently as a tool to add to everybody else's character. Petra Letang is not the most exceptional actor in the world, but she gives it what she's got - it's not her fault that TPTB don't seem to understand what a HCA actually does - and that isn't really dramatically interesting. Hell, Donna Jackson was Nurse of the Year in-comparison!

Either that or she'll be doing her interview for CEO the week after. That's if she doesn't make Prime Minister beforehand.
Was also so relieved that she was not in the final team Darwin scene.

Sorry I can't help you in your quest (but wish you luck in finding them) BUT would just like to reassure you that, given some of the conversations we have on this thread, this is NO WAY off topic at all (not that we mind a bit of off-topicness anyway!!)

Sorry I can't post links on my phone but if you google 'Jules on Holby 24th feb 2015' and 'Jules on holby 3rd March 2015' you will find links to those two episodes split into four parts for each episode on YouTube.
They are not just clips of Jules Knight or anything, they are the full episodes for those two dates which I presume were uploaded by a Jules Knight fan!

It looKs like if hints on Joe McFadden's Twitter are anything to go by.
Had thought it might be Digby especially when they broke him and Maria up just before he transferred wards.

Thank you so much!

I've mentioned this on the Casualty thread but did anyone else think it was strange that with Connie back at the hospital that her name was not even mentioned as a possible lead for the new CT Supercentre on Darwin?? I would have thought her at least a suitable candidate for the position with Jac going.

Jac was a better clinical lead than Elliot and yet it was implied that taking it away from him was a huge mistake - it wasn't!! Morally questionable perhaps but in no way was it a huge mistake. Jac showed herself more than equal to the task.

I just hope when she comes back she is not treated like dirt all over again. That would be really hard to take.

Harry's face has miraculously returned to normal.

Yes! The only slight difference was the wound on his forehead. I can't believe he looked practically what he looked like before after Raf told him he wouldn't just 2 weeks before!

Don't know if this is true



Spoliers just in case

Cannot possibly be soon enough Morgsie....