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Old 04-03-2016, 22:59
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In the past, Ollie has been shown to be quite promiscuous. Within his first year on the show, he'd been with Chrissie, Jac and Daisha. Since the situation with Tara he seems to have settled down a bit, but maybe old habits die hard?

Here's an interesting one, maybe he's polyamorous? I have nothing against being polyamorous, but it's not something that you ever see explored on television in a non-judgemental way. That would be an interesting storyline, and would develop his personality a lot.
I don't have anything against it or it being shown either but I don't think there has been anything in Olivers history to suggest that it is the case.

He has never been with more than one woman at the same time, they were all sequential. The only possible exception to that was him snogging Jac when he was interested in Daisha but they weren't actually together and he was at great pains to try and conceal the evidence of the kiss (Penny's photos) from Daisha for fear of scuppering his chances - surely he'd have to declare his lifestyle if he was polygamous. I don't think it can be considered a lifestyle choice if the women you are involved with don't know about the others and you are actively concealing them - that is just cheating in my opinion.

Sam Strachen in his heyday, now he possibly was. He did have multiple partners at the same time (remember when he was at the STD clinic and gave 5. Names within one week?!?) and seemed quite open about it.

Re Fletch, i'm not overly keen on him but i don't think it was a case of them deciding to move him over to Holby just because he wanted to work in London. They already had a Male Nurse planned and were going to cast an actor for that role - they just decided to make it be Fletch. Re storylines, i think they did have them planned but Louise De La Mere leaving threw a spanner in the works which would have happened whether it was Fletch or another unnamed character. And i actually think Matalies death and everything that resulted from it (looking after the kids, debts, homelessness, teaming up with Clifford, refusing to help with the drugs theft causing Adele to be beaten up) was quite a big story arc from Jan to Oct last year. I can think of several characters that had much less to do during that time.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:24
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Hang on where did the baby talk come from?
In the spring preview ollie mentions he could be a father.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:09
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I don't have anything against it or it being shown either but I don't think there has been anything in Olivers history to suggest that it is the case.

He has never been with more than one woman at the same time, they were all sequential. The only possible exception to that was him snogging Jac when he was interested in Daisha but they weren't actually together and he was at great pains to try and conceal the evidence of the kiss (Penny's photos) from Daisha for fear of scuppering his chances - surely he'd have to declare his lifestyle if he was polygamous. I don't think it can be considered a lifestyle choice if the women you are involved with don't know about the others and you are actively concealing them - that is just cheating in my opinion.

Sam Strachen in his heyday, now he possibly was. He did have multiple partners at the same time (remember when he was at the STD clinic and gave 5. Names within one week?!?) and seemed quite open about it.
I don't remember that about Sam, but that was before I started watching it.

With Oliver, me thinking that is mainly because of the whole thing in the trailer involving Cara (normally I'd put a spoiler there, but other people have made reference to this without them, so I think it's fair game). As people have pointed out, he appears to be properly committed to Zosia. There have been some really nice moments between the two of them, namely the stethoscope thing which I thought was great. It's the most unromantic present in the world, and yet between those two characters specifically it kind of worked. Someone (I think it was you actually) said on here recently that James Anderson's return was initially supposed to be a temporary thing and they ended up extending it because the character had such a nice dynamic with Zosia. Why would the producers want to have them split up if their rapport was one of the key reasons for putting James Anderson back on a long-term contract?

You're right, his previous relationships with women do not prove anything, but it would fit if they wanted to go down that route. He was with Jac, Chrissie and Daisha separately, but with none of them for long, and I felt that he didn't come across as hugely committed to any of them. With Tara he did, but given the ongoing storyline about her brain tumour I think that would thoroughly distract Ollie from his own sexuality. As for anything that has gone on in the meantime - well, we don't know about that.

I don't really like the fact that you used the phrase 'lifestyle choice' - to me, that's like describing homosexuality as a lifestyle choice. Polyamory is a sexual orientation in the same way, albeit one that still has a lot of stigma attached to it. Having said that, I do agree with you that honesty and consent within relationships is the key as to whether or not it's acceptable. My thoughts about Ollie are that if he is polyamorous, he has probably not accepted this to himself, hence his confusion, which could lead to him being unfaithful. Many people who are openly polyamorous have said that before they happily reached this conclusion, they'd find themselves constantly desiring to cheat on their partners (sometimes acting on this) despite wanting to be faithful. The stigma and misinformation often means that a person doesn't become fully aware of their polyamory until their twenties or later, so it's completely believable that Ollie may have failed to realise it about himself, but still be experiencing confusion. I have a friend who has gone through this quite recently, in fact; it's a hot topic.

For the record, I don't believe for a second that they are actually going to go down this route, I'd just love it if they did. I think it would be far more interesting than any of the other theories that have been mooted.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:40
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Sorry if my phrasing offended you, i didn't mean anything by it. Perhaps i don't know enough about it but i would say that acting on a desire to sleep with multiple people is a choice in a way that being attracted to your own sex is not. I think that many, possibly most people feel a sexual attraction to more than one person at a time but they don't act on it because of the hurt/pain they know that would cause to somebody that they love. So, they choose one person at a time even if that person changes quite frequently (serial monogamy) or if they do have more than one partner, it is conducted secretly (what most would describe as infidelity) and to most they are monogamous.

That is more applying to people that are perhaps older and more serious. I think a lot ofyounger people are 'polyamourous' but that is just where they are at that point in their lives - going out and picking different people up at clubs, having friends 'with benefits' and not being exclusive to anybody but that's fine because everybody involved knows the score and often (usually) they will settle into more 'traditional' relationships later in life.

I'd say that was the case with Oliver. He was just a young, handsome guy who enjoyed being with pretty women and sex but waasn't ready to settle down. Hence, having 3 girlfriends in his first year but in all honestly, Jac was never a girlfriend - just a collage who he got on with, they had a 'moment' on New Years Eve (an emotional time) which went nowhere except perhaps them becoming friends so really it was only Chrissie (very much always painted as no strings) and Daisha who he really liked until Tara.

His kissing Cara could mean anything. Countless characters, who have been portrayed as very 'loyal', 'traditional' re relationships and faithful have strayed and kissed or even had a one night stand when drunk and/or upset or having problems with their spouse over the years. Joseph and Sacha both spring to mind. It's a soap staple.

It was me that mentioned that about them extending Anderson's contract because of the chemistry with Zosia. But it has already been 6 months more than it would have been and even though they liked the chemistry, that doesn't mean they'll keep them together because of that. There is a school of thought that chemistry works best when tested, they want to keep viewers interested. And that means throwing angst at them. "No Trouble, No Story". I agree there are loads of ways of providing trouble and interest within the couple but their default tends to be a third party, even if not serious, misunderstandings from a possible encounter.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:50
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His kissing Cara could mean anything. Countless characters, who have been portrayed as very 'loyal', 'traditional' re relationships and faithful have strayed and kissed or even had a one night stand when drunk and/or upset or having problems with their spouse over the years. Joseph and Sacha both spring to mind. It's a soap staple.
Oh, of course it is, that's why I have no doubt that they'll go that way. It annoys me that it's a soap staple, but to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of pairings generally, I prefer the hospital politics and patient storylines.

I came to the conclusion recently that they don't really like consequences from storylines that upset the equilibrium, do they? If someone has a partner (inside or outside) split them up. If someone is seriously ill, find a miraculous solution (Tara being the one exception, but she was created with the full storyline in mind). If someone has an outside commitment, show how it's causing problems and get rid of it (thinking more along the lines of Casualty there - Grace is obviously back now and I don't know what will happen there, but up until now they were unable to move on with that storyline without shipping her to another country. In previous years there was Zoe giving up Sharice, and Charlie's granddaughter Megan has weirdly just disappeared with no explanation.

I like the fact that Serena now appears to have a relationship outside of the hospital, just because I like relationships between staff and people who aren't colleagues. Hoping it doesn't go the same way as Arthur and Maria.
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Old 05-03-2016, 09:43
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In the spring preview ollie mentions he could be a father.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:13
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Sorry if my phrasing offended you, i didn't mean anything by it. Perhaps i don't know enough about it but i would say that acting on a desire to sleep with multiple people is a choice in a way that being attracted to your own sex is not. I think that many, possibly most people feel a sexual attraction to more than one person at a time but they don't act on it because of the hurt/pain they know that would cause to somebody that they love. So, they choose one person at a time even if that person changes quite frequently (serial monogamy) or if they do have more than one partner, it is conducted secretly (what most would describe as infidelity) and to most they are monogamous.

That is more applying to people that are perhaps older and more serious. I think a lot ofyounger people are 'polyamourous' but that is just where they are at that point in their lives - going out and picking different people up at clubs, having friends 'with benefits' and not being exclusive to anybody but that's fine because everybody involved knows the score and often (usually) they will settle into more 'traditional' relationships later in life.
This is a little off-topic, but I recommend this blog by a married polyamorous woman:

http://polymomma.com/what-polyamory-isnt-to-me/

With the greatest respect to you, I've felt that your post somewhat misses what polyamory is about, which whilst unrelated to Holby City directly, is exactly the reason why I think it would be great to address it in a mainstream drama.
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Old 05-03-2016, 12:22
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Old 06-03-2016, 06:22
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Adele in purple scrubs aaaaargh
Sadly I have just sat through Tuesday's excruciatingly painful Adele heavy episode, please someone tell me a reason why this rather poorly written character is shoved constantly in our faces, why the equally horrific embarrassment that masquerades as an actress is still in Holby? If I were that Petra's mother I'd be crying with embarrassment at her lack of talent traumatising a nation.

Holby at the moment is taking one step forward but ends up three steps behind, I cannot abide the woefull characters of mo and Adele, I certainly cannot accept such utter rank rubbish was actually allowed to earn roles in high profile tv drama where he scenery out acts them.

Time the BBC grew a pair and sacked them along with the production team, once Kent goes I wonder where his useless talents will be put to no good use?
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Old 06-03-2016, 13:04
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Sadly I have just sat through Tuesday's excruciatingly painful Adele heavy episode, please someone tell me a reason why this rather poorly written character is shoved constantly in our faces, why the equally horrific embarrassment that masquerades as an actress is still in Holby? If I were that Petra's mother I'd be crying with embarrassment at her lack of talent traumatising a nation.


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Old 06-03-2016, 23:55
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Maybe just as Adele is the girl of a thousand skills we never see, Petra Letang is destined to be lauded by TV and film producers everywhere for the rest of her life for all her performing talents that no one in the public has noticed? She might end up the leading lady in a Hollywood blockbuster next year, and win an Oscar for Best Actress in a Leading Role, despite bringing the same amount of emotion and depth of character that she brings to Holby City.

In all seriousness, I'm in my final year of my Creative Performance degree, and I've received thirds for performances in which I've demonstrated more emotion and characterisation than Petra Letang does in a mainstream BBC drama.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:17
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I don't think that there has been any indication that Morven is living with the trio. I think that
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I don't see Cara living with Raf and Fletch either, as they've already referenced how crowded their house is. Although I still think that there will be a triangle with Cara, Raf and Fletch. They don't need to live together for that to happen though, as they see enough of each other on AAU.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:27
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Old 07-03-2016, 12:02
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I don't see Cara living with Raf and Fletch either, as they've already referenced how crowded their house is. Although I still think that there will be a triangle with Cara, Raf and Fletch. They don't need to live together for that to happen though, as they see enough of each other on AAU.
When has there ever been any indication that there's anything between Cara and Fletch?
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Old 07-03-2016, 12:47
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When has there ever been any indication that there's anything between Cara and Fletch?
There hasn't been anything specific, but
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Old 07-03-2016, 14:38
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Old 07-03-2016, 15:01
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When has there ever been any indication that there's anything between Cara and Fletch?
There hasn't really, except them getting on as friends.

I think people are just speculating because of the comment about a girl causing problems with Fletch and Raf's bromance and she's the only realy candidate of existing characters as we know Raf likes her.

However, i actually think it could be a twist on words and maybe the girl is one of Fletch's kids - probably Evie as she's the one that always appears. What if, hypothetically, Evie (or one of the others) misbehaved and Raf disciplined them when Fletch wasn't around, they complained (or even exaggerated, lied that Raf had hit them) and Fletch objected?

Re Morven, I don't think there has been any indication she lives with digby (except perhaps her already being in his lounge when he got home a couple of episodes ago) but she clearly does stay overnight as didn't Dominic know about the 'Josephine' thing? So, Dom could easily pass that kind of gossip on, leading to Cara commenting on it.
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Old 07-03-2016, 15:21
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Yes I thought so
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Although if that is the case re scenes filmed in March, it probably doesn't fit in with the timing of what I was concerned about in the trailer, as we probably wouldn't see scenes filmed in March until around June time. Unless they meant scenes shown in March....
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Old 07-03-2016, 15:35
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Yes I thought so
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Although if that is the case re scenes filmed in March, it probably doesn't fit in with the timing of what I was concerned about in the trailer, as we probably wouldn't see scenes filmed in March until around June time. Unless they meant scenes shown in March....
The trailers usually cover about 3 months (the season so this one is Spring) and some stuff in the Winter trailer which they put out in November has only aired in the last couple of weeks - specifically the Bernie stuff.

So, it's possible something in there could air very late May or even early June and of course, sometimes actors film out of sequence so there might only be a couple of months between their last filming and transmission rather than the usual 3-4. Pretty sure Poatsy Kensit and Amanda Mealing finished filming late Oct 10 (we saw it on Strictly Come Dancing as Kensit was competing) and that aired Xmas week so only 2 months. I think Thomsom left late last January for an early April departure so again, just over 2 months.

Sad face if true though
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Old 07-03-2016, 15:48
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The trailers usually cover about 3 months (the season so this one is Spring) and some stuff in the Winter trailer which they put out in November has only aired in the last couple of weeks - specifically the Bernie stuff.

So, it's possible something in there could air very late May or even early June and of course, sometimes actors film out of sequence so there might only be a couple of months between their last filming and transmission rather than the usual 3-4. Pretty sure Poatsy Kensit and Amanda Mealing finished filming late Oct 10 (we saw it on Strictly Come Dancing as Kensit was competing) and that aired Xmas week so only 2 months. I think Thomsom left late last January for an early April departure so again, just over 2 months.

Sad face if true though
Yes I would be very sad too. I definitely wouldn't be surprised, though. He is such a popular character, and you could see how it would be very emotional across all of the wards if they did do that.

It's also been quite some time since they've killed a central character off. There have been none in the past year and a half, despite several near misses with Harry, Johnny, Guy and more recently Ric and Dom in the Lee storyline.

If they did it, I would have guessed it would have been late March to mid April, to fit in with the midpoint of the series. However, as you say, it's possible that they could be filming something at the moment to go out around late May time, so the end of Spring, as such.
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Old 07-03-2016, 18:47
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Yes, who was the last major character to die? Tara I'd say. We did have Bonnie after that but she was never regular cast, it seemed clear from the beginning that she would only be there for a few months as a complication in the Jac/Jonny saga so i don't really count her and even if we did, that was nearly 2 years ago. Penny was the last time a character was killed that wasn't introduced with the Writers knowing that was their fate and when it would happen and that was 5 years ago.

Quite a change from seasons 5 and 6 where they seemed to kill somebody off every few months, sometimes a couple at a time. Even Season 9 and 13 were quite heavy death wise.
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Old 07-03-2016, 19:35
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Yes, Tara must have been the last one and that is three years ago. Then five years since Penny the last character not brought in with that purpose, so something is definitely due to happen. I did think that
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I've also just spotted that Adele and Jesse are both missing from the new official BBC cast photo...
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Old 07-03-2016, 20:21
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Dom was missing too and if it was Arthur wouldn't Zosia be upset?
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:04
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Dom was missing too and if it was Arthur wouldn't Zosia be upset?
I got the impression that they were clapping and looking quite positive because it was a touching memorial, after the event. That was just my guess though, so I don't know.
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Old 07-03-2016, 21:32
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They seemed to drop like flies at one point – back when Jeff died on Casualty I counted up all the people that Connie would have known or may have met at least once when she was up on Darwin who had died or were seriously wounded during her tenure or shortly thereafter and it came out to at least 12 depending on how you count it, which is frankly ridiculous (died – Tricia Williams, Linden Cullen, Diane Lloyd, Will Curtis, Maddy Young, Gina Hope, Archie Morton, Penny Valentine, Lord Byrne, Alistair Taylor, Neal the Maintenance Chief and Jim Brodie in Casualty@Holby City, she would also have been aware of Baby Paris, Kyla Tyson’s husband and the Nurse that was killed by the nutter with the cross-bow. Nearly died – Lola Griffin, Grace (twice!), Sam, her Dad. Seriously wounded – Chrissie by cross-bow. Please tell me if I've forgotten anybody). They don't call it the Linden Cullen Memorial Shrubbery for nothing!

I would be rather upset about Diggers. He's been one of the more successful characters for me in a while. I hope it isn't true....

I've also just spotted that Adele and Jesse are both missing from the new official BBC cast photo...
Oh please God let this be true!

I am trying to be fair, Adele is a nonsensical mess of a character being asked to act in ways and do things way beyond her competency, any actor would struggle to pull it off believably. However, she just annoys me. There is room for a fluffy gossip-type, lots of people are rather lacking in depth or more sophisticated motivations and embarrass their friends or themselves at time and if done well, it can work. Sadly, that's not what this is and if they'd kept it more simple and not tried to push her along too hard, she'd have been fine. I mean I was never a great fan of Donna or Maria or some of the other junior Nurses, but they were vaguely plausible because they weren't pushed into places their characters didn't belong. Even people who had ambitions but weren't central to most episodes, like say Mickie (God this dates me!) seemed to be handled with more sensitivity. Perhaps its just tells you how far the quality has dropped....

As for Jesse, just a pure waste, in-excusable.

And hey, maybe it was just a kiss and it doesn't mean anything? We've all kissed somebody semi-random in a bar or a club or something right? It doesn't have to mean much?
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