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Old 29-03-2016, 21:11
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I'd just like to say a word in Petra Letang's favour. I've been quite critical of her as an actress recently, but that was the best I've ever seen her act. Brought something charismatic to the part at last!
Yes George I agree that that was her best performance. It was the least annoying Adele has ever been despite my thoughts on the episode as a whole.
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Old 29-03-2016, 21:12
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Bloody hell!!! I don't know how to feel after that episode!!
The scenes with Dom and Diggers had me in tears yet there were some really good things in the episode too *cough* Adele leaving *cough*
It was nice to finally acknowledge the feelings between Raf and Cara even if they have been put on hold again, and her move to Darwin may explain what I thought was bit of a random change putting Jesse on Darwin (address the cast member reduction on AAU)
It was also really nice to see little background scenes of Ollie and Zosia being a couple, after dragging out them getting together so much, it is nice for us fans to finally see these scenes even if they are small. It would have been nice though for Zosia to be used in Digby's storyline more. The writers can't seem to have both Dom and Zosia know and help him at the same time!!
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Old 29-03-2016, 21:13
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I also have to agree George. I cannot stand Adele but that was definitely the best she has ever been, and actually I agree with Guy for a change - I think she would be good in palliative care
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Old 29-03-2016, 21:17
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I'd just like to say a word in Petra Letang's favour. I've been quite critical of her as an actress recently, but that was the best I've ever seen her act. Brought something charismatic to the part at last!
Yes, noticeably better, I think mainly because she didn't have to act being a nurse, and was on more familiar ground being a friend. Confirms my feeling that her range is limited.
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Old 29-03-2016, 21:20
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It was also really nice to see little background scenes of Ollie and Zosia being a couple, after dragging out them getting together so much, it is nice for us fans to finally see these scenes even if they are small.
Yes, I loved that too, they were too cute at the party
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Old 29-03-2016, 21:23
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Dom's reaction when he realised Arthur had secondarys was heart-wrenching. Their relationship is so lovely. I think it was realistic that Arthur ran to him first when he noticed the blood.
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Old 29-03-2016, 22:28
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Dom's reaction when he realised Arthur had secondarys was heart-wrenching. Their relationship is so lovely. I think it was realistic that Arthur ran to him first when he noticed the blood.
Yes. No other words needed, just yes.

Oh, just to say: "Arthur, look how well Nick Robinson is doing"
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Old 29-03-2016, 22:46
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That was emotional. Dom and Digby are so wonderful together, such good friends. Dom's face when he saw the secondaries had me in little pieces.

Surely Arthur can survive this? He mentioned a whole year of treatment and no-one said it was terminal (yet). If Rick could survive what he had (and it looked like it was the end for him at one point) then maybe Arthur can too. Whether his relationship with Morven survives or not I really don't care very much, so long as he doesn't die!!

As for Adele, well, goodbye and good luck to Petra but I won't miss the character one little bit. Even her leaving had Selfie realise how very "special" she is. And no Jesse at all. When Linda asked her about the one who got away I thought she might mention him but no, it was some guy she played conkers with!!!

Raf and Cara were sweet. I didn't think it was any of Fletch's business doing what he did. He annoyed me. Cara is very pretty but hasn't developed a strong enough character to grab my interest. Maybe that will change on Darwin.
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Old 29-03-2016, 22:48
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Omg what a lovely episode but heart wrenching!!!
Loved seeing Zosia and Ollie too they are fab together.
I have a feeling that Zosia may not cope with Arhur's cancer too well!!
Hence (spoiler)Ollie kissing Cara in the preview, I hope it's just a mistake and he does it as a result of them having a break or splitting up. I really hope that they are not going to split them up as it would be awful for Zosia to loose her best friend and Ollie too!!(/spoiler)
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:21
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Yes. No other words needed, just yes.

Oh, just to say: "Arthur, look how well Nick Robinson is doing"
I hate to think how Dom will cope if Arthur doesn't get through this.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:23
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I couldn't give it my full attention due to real life (pesky thing) so just my comments on what i saw and has been written here.

I think it is one of those times we have to assume that characters know each other from off screen interaction so not odd to see people that don't generally talk to each other socializing. Plus, the engagement party was at Albies and unless they hired it out eclusiively, anybody could go and it is still the 'office local' so even if they weren't going anyway (for Arthur and Morven and that type of thing would get pretty much everyone going) they could still plan a separate leaving party there. But more likely, somebody (Mo) would just have rung dom, Arthur, Morven and said "Adele is leaving suddenly, do you mind if we piggyback on your do".

Re the party going ahead - I can understand that. Thinking positively, focusing on the good, the difficult questions they'd face cancelling it (Digby doesn't want everybody to know yet). A friend of mine went ahead with her leaving party 2 days after her Dad died - she debated a lot but decided her Dad would have wanted her to go ahead and also just couldn't face contacting everybody to cancel and having to explain why several dozen times and a group email seemed even worse.

Likewise Adele probably saw it as a celebration of her friends life and that she'd want her to mark moving on with her life.

Yes, completely unrealistic that Adele would be offered a new job and leave on the same day but it always happens in Holby. I do think that her rotation on Nuero was nearing it's end anyway (although it seems like it only started a month ago) and I get the impression that Self knew toe recruiter for the position so his recommendation pretty much made it an immediate offer, even though it would never be that simple in real life.

Bye, bye Adele. I actually find the idea of having you at my death bed pretty horrific but Paliative Care is an important and undervalued field of Nursing so quite glad they have highlighted it. No secret I never took to Adele (more basic character concept and writing than acting though that wasn't great either) and won't miss her but. No, hard to come up with a but except I hope Petra will have a less thankless task re her next character being written well enough to be likeable, sympathetic and interesting.

Digby. I think we'd all guessed it was coming but still horrendous and heartbreaking. I don't see it as hopeful, not when it is secondary on the lungs so soon after the original diagnosis. Yes, they are fond of miracle cures on Holby, we were told Ric's was hopeless but I'm pretty sure they got it before it had spread.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:29
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I hate to think how Dom will cope if Arthur doesn't get through this.
I know! They were so sweet together tonight.

In a way the way everyone was so positive about it tonight made me more certain that there will be a tragic end for Digby. I think that if he was going to recover we'd have seen a lot more scenes of devastation at the diagnosis. I also think they would have carried it on straight from the melanoma diagnosis if he were going to make a recovery.

As an aside, surely he would have had an all over body CT scan when the melanoma was originally removed? That was only a couple of weeks ago, so it does seem rather strange that they didn't pick up the secondaries at the time. Not impossible I'm sure, but I would say it's fairly unusual with only a few weeks of proximity from the time the melanoma was removed.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:36
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I guess I could understand slightly better them going ahead with the party if morven's original boat one hadn't been cancelled, but I just can't see Dom and Digby being in the mood to rearrange another party after the day they'd just had.
I felt Morven and Dom's behaviour at the party, being completely cheery, going clubbing afterwards etc to also be very unbelievable. I don't think there's anything wrong with them choosing to celebrate, but I do think that in reality most people would be far too upset to go out partying and clubbing on the very evening they got that type of news. Maybe even a couple of days later would have been slightly more believable.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:40
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I know! They were so sweet together tonight.

In a way the way everyone was so positive about it tonight made me more certain that there will be a tragic end for Digby. I think that if he was going to recover we'd have seen a lot more scenes of devastation at the diagnosis. I also think they would have carried it on straight from the melanoma diagnosis if he were going to make a recovery.

As an aside, surely he would have had an all over body CT scan when the melanoma was originally removed? That was only a couple of weeks ago, so it does seem rather strange that they didn't pick up the secondaries at the time. Not impossible I'm sure, but I would say it's fairly unusual with only a few weeks of proximity from the time the melanoma was removed.
Him running to Dom as soon as he suspected though was so heart-warming. They really are best friends no matter what. And Dom trying to make him laugh during the scan was so touching even though they both knew the results may be bad.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:44
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It does seem a little strange that it wasn't picked up then but maybe it hadn't spread then? Hansenn did very much stress that it wasn't a complete all clear, they needed to test again in 3 months, they just thought they had got all the Cancer round the melanoma at that point.

I'm unsure how it works too, but my Aunt was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer middle of February and then told she had secondaries on her Lungs and Liver a couple of weeks later - she died 14th March (one of the reasons i've been quite quiet on here) so secondaries aren't always detected straight away and it can then be very, very quick.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:49
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It does seem a little strange that it wasn't picked up then but maybe it hadn't spread then? Hansenn did very much stress that it wasn't a complete all clear, they needed to test again in 3 months, they just thought they had got all the Cancer round the melanoma at that point.

I'm unsure how it works too, but my Aunt was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer middle of February and then told she had secondaries on her Lungs and Liver a couple of weeks later - she died 14th March (one of the reasons i've been quite quiet on here) so secondaries aren't always detected straight away and it can then be very, very quick.
Condolences to you and your family on your loss KitKat. Hugs to you. x
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:50
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I guess I could understand slightly better them going ahead with the party if morven's original boat one hadn't been cancelled, but I just can't see Dom and Digby being in the mood to rearrange another party after the day they'd just had.
I felt Morven and Dom's behaviour at the party, being completely cheery, going clubbing afterwards etc to also be very unbelievable. I don't think there's anything wrong with them choosing to celebrate, but I do think that in reality most people would be far too upset to go out partying and clubbing on the very evening they got that type of news. Maybe even a couple of days later would have been slightly more believable.
I don't know, people can react very differently. It might not have properly sunk in - i often feel like i'm in a bubble when i've had very bad news (including Terminal Cancer diagnosis for very close loved ones though not myself obviously) so you do just go through the motions. Even if the motions are a celebration.

Again, i think they might just have thought that the problems involved with cancelling a second party (explaining why) would be worse. And of course, although it isn't usually then or their best friend, they do deal with death everyday so have to 'switch off' to a certain extent. Doctors have the blackest sense of humour of nearly any profession. And you saw the start of Digby and Morven snapping into that with the gingerbread scene I thought.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:53
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Condolences to you and your family on your loss KitKat. Hugs to you. x
Thanks, we did have a little notice (it was just palitive care from diagnosis, as an ex Matron she knew there was little point even trying anything else) but still very hard, especially only 18 months after my Mum's death and 5 days after my Dad had a major operation. Which did go well which is the big silver lining.
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Old 29-03-2016, 23:59
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Thanks, we did have a little notice (it was just palitive care from diagnosis, as an ex Matron she knew there was little point even trying anything else) but still very hard, especially only 18 months after my Mum's death and 5 days after my Dad had a major operation. Which did go well which is the big silver lining.
You've been having a very hard time in recent months. I hope everything starts to improve and that your Dad is recovering well now. x
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Old 30-03-2016, 00:15
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Actually, that episode had quite possibly the biggest turn-around for a character in just one episode that there has ever been on the programme. Throughout the first twenty minutes, I was thinking, 'Dom is being horrible in this one!' I loved the way that he went from an unpleasant childish sulk to being completely in control and the anchor Arthur needed.

I like Dom a lot, he's a really interesting character. I'd love to know more about his background - he's clearly had some emotional difficulties, what with his obsession with Malick, him claiming that his mum was dead when she wasn't, but he's a good guy. Though a bit annoying sometimes.
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Old 30-03-2016, 00:52
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Actually, that episode had quite possibly the biggest turn-around for a character in just one episode that there has ever been on the programme. Throughout the first twenty minutes, I was thinking, 'Dom is being horrible in this one!' I loved the way that he went from an unpleasant childish sulk to being completely in control and the anchor Arthur needed.

I like Dom a lot, he's a really interesting character. I'd love to know more about his background - he's clearly had some emotional difficulties, what with his obsession with Malick, him claiming that his mum was dead when she wasn't, but he's a good guy. Though a bit annoying sometimes.
Didn't you see the episode about him and his family? Digby stayed with them for a few days and his dad was one nasty uneducated bigot . Of course he couldn't bear his gay son and wasn't very kind to his mum so you could understand why Dom was the way he is .
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Old 30-03-2016, 08:50
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Didn't you see the episode about him and his family? Digby stayed with them for a few days and his dad was one nasty uneducated bigot . Of course he couldn't bear his gay son and wasn't very kind to his mum so you could understand why Dom was the way he is .
I did see that, and it was a really good episode as well. I just feel like there's more to it than that. I bet there are some interesting things from his past that we haven't been told yet.
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Old 30-03-2016, 09:23
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My condolences to you, KitKat.
Sadly, pancreatic cancer is often almost impossible to be treated.

Re Arthur, I still have hope for him especially when I look at Nick Robinson's progress and hear him on the radio.
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Old 30-03-2016, 09:38
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What did everyone else make of Cara and Raff? It seemed odd that it was rapidly pushed forward for all of one episode, for it to be put on the back burner again by moving Cara to Darwin. Fletch's meddling intervention seemed a bit odd too. Perhaps foreshadowing a future triangle, although how they'll do that now with the ward swap I don't know.

I am not entirely sure why they are moving Cara to Darwin. I get that it is to redress the cast balance if Jesse is moving to AAU, and now that Adele has left there would be no nurse on Darwin. However, she seemed like the most unlikely character on AAU to move, as there was a potential storyline brewing there with her and Raff. Fletch seems to be going nowhere on AAU and a move to Darwin might have been a better idea for him.

I see that Niamh Walsh has posted a photo of her with Raff and Fletch, indicating that she could be back filming on AAU, but I'm not sure about that. It could be one taken quite some time ago, as I've noticed that the cast tend to post social media photos taken around the time scenes they've filmed are actually shown.
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Old 30-03-2016, 10:12
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My condolences to you, KitKat.
Sadly, pancreatic cancer is often almost impossible to be treated.

Re Arthur, I still have hope for him especially when I look at Nick Robinson's progress and hear him on the radio.
My neighbour has just been treated for pancreatic cancer, had a major operation and all. He's hoping to be one of the small percentage that survives it - after all, someone has to be.

What did everyone else make of Cara and Raff? It seemed odd that it was rapidly pushed forward for all of one episode, for it to be put on the back burner again by moving Cara to Darwin. Fletch's meddling intervention seemed a bit odd too. Perhaps foreshadowing a future triangle, although how they'll do that now with the ward swap I don't know.

I am not entirely sure why they are moving Cara to Darwin. I get that it is to redress the cast balance if Jesse is moving to AAU, and now that Adele has left there would be no nurse on Darwin. However, she seemed like the most unlikely character on AAU to move, as there was a potential storyline brewing there with her and Raff. Fletch seems to be going nowhere on AAU and a move to Darwin might have been a better idea for him.

I see that Niamh Walsh has posted a photo of her with Raff and Fletch, indicating that she could be back filming on AAU, but I'm not sure about that. It could be one taken quite some time ago, as I've noticed that the cast tend to post social media photos taken around the time scenes they've filmed are actually shown.
I felt like the Cara/Raf thing was less to suggest a romance between the two, and more to emphasise Cara's fragile state of mind. I don't normally like it when Fletch sticks his nose in, but I think on this occasion he was right - Cara's husband has just been sentenced, and she's trying to force herself to move on too quickly when she's not over it. This could continue to be the case when she moves to Darwin, even if Raf and Fletch aren't involved.
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