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Old 08-04-2015, 06:00
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If it's a mainly white jury, there's a fair chance in S Carolina that he won't be convicted of murder. Sad to say.
Nah, I'm no legal Eagle on American law. Shooting eight bullets into a fifty year old overweight man running away when the 33 year old, fit Michael Slager could have caught up with him and subdued and handcuffed him without lethal force.

Nothing to do with a white jury on this case, don't read into race too much when it comes to his judgement.

In this case & with the damning evidence, he's never getting out.

If you want to play the racist Policeman angle that's up to you.

The Jury will convict him of first degree murder. (Whatever the makeup.)
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:01
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If convicted, i don't think it'll be murder, too many loopholes. In particular, regardless of the 8 shots I'm sure a jury will believe that there was no intent to kill. He certainly needs locking up though unless there are factors not recorded on the film that mitigate.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:06
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Think I'll stay out of this thread now, I've said what I think.

I have a feeling that it's going to go batshit crazy.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:18
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How can you shoot a person 8 times in the back? I'm trying to imagine.

"Stop!"
*Bang*
(Guy gets hit and falls)

How can the other 7 shots happen? Has he got an uzi? Can you be shot 7 times in the back and still require an 8th shot? That's like something out of an Arnie movie.

Not to mention that the first shot seems wildly excessive...but 8 times! That sounds like unloading into a corpse!

(Have watched the video now and that is one fast gun! If Oswald shot like this guy then I'll buy any JFK theory fed to me.)
Always baffles me why people get the idea that firing multiple shots is especially excessive or gung-ho.

You don't get a bonus for every bullet you bring back at the end of a shift.
If you're working on the assumption that somebody needs shooting, for your own safety or (in the case of a cop) the safety of the public, then, at the risk of sounding callous, you might as well do the job properly.
A shooting is a high-stress situation, you don't know how long you'll have your target in your sights and even the best marksmen can't guarantee to hit their target exactly where they intend to so, with that in mind, you don't want to risk firing one shot and then discovering you've missed.

The real issue is simply why so many US cops seem to think that their gun is pretty-much the first and only tool to be employed whenever a situation goes awry.

In the UK, I've seen a cop-car pull out to pursue a speeding biker on a suburban street and then, within a few seconds, pull over and give up.
Clearly, the cop IS thinking about what's going on, there.
He's thinking that he hasn't got a chance of catching a speeding biker who doesn't want to be caught.
He's thinking that nicking somebody for speeding isn't worth the risk to members of the public which a high-speed chase through a suburban area will create and, finally, he's thinking that it isn't worth ending up with a biker splattered all over the road just for the sake of issuing a speeding ticket.

Yank cops just don't seem to think through what they're doing at times.
Instead of asking themselves if the situation actually warrants the possible use of deadly force they just seem to charge in and then, when the shit hits the fan, they use a gun to deal with the situation they've provoked.

The thing that really worries me is that this is actually some kind of deliberate, unofficial, tactic that US cops have decided to employ in response to the number of cops who've been shot while on duty.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:30
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Fortunately for justice, the act was filmed and the video released.

Without that, the strong probability is he'd have got away with it.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:30
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Scary. I would be petrified if I was stopped by police in the US especially if I was black. No wonder the guy bolted.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:44
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Fortunately for justice, the act was filmed and the video released.

Without that, the strong probability is he'd have got away with it.
That's why I'm out.
This thread will now descend into what if's, police bashing, unrelated posts showing that the law enforcers are are all bastards from cases which happened many years ago.

All I can say in my viewing of the video is that a murder was recorded on video.

Blueblade, your hate goggles do not make a balanced discussion, they make you look very naive.
You won't concede an inch when it comes to the Police.

I hope you never get burgled or assaulted.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:53
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That's why I'm out.
This thread will now descend into what if's, police bashing, unrelated posts showing that the law enforcers are are all bastards from cases which happened many years ago.

All I can say in my viewing of the video is that a murder was recorded on video.

Blueblade, your hate goggles do not make a balanced discussion, they make you look very naive.
You won't concede an inch when it comes to the Police.

I hope you never get burgled or assaulted.
Tell me, how many inches should be conceded in this case?

The first part of your post is quite reasonable. The second part, highly emotive and personalised, is absurd.

I simply said it was a good job it was filmed or he'd have probably gotten away with it, which is true. I don't see what's unbalanced, naive or hate filled about that. I wasn't even replying to anyone !!!

Merely a statement of fact.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:57
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Scary. I would be petrified if I was stopped by police in the US especially if I was black. No wonder the guy bolted.
He's run off because there are probably a lot more misdemeanours pending than a broken tail light. (Total speculation.)

But no way did he have to be shot in the back eight times for them.

He was murdered.
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:58
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How can the other 7 shots happen? Has he got an uzi? Can you be shot 7 times in the back and still require an 8th shot? That's like something out of an Arnie movie.)
Jean Charles de Menezes was shot 7 times in the head at point blank range + once in the shoulder. 11 shots were fired in total.

No surprise when someone is that fired up with testosterone and adrenaline pumping round their body.

They claimed it was because of tactics employed by the Israeli security services. A claim staunchly (and angrily with almost sneering contempt) denied by Israel. And it is true. - Israel does not have, nor ever had such a policy.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:02
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He's run off because there are probably a lot more misdemeanours pending than a broken tail light.

But no way did he have to be shot in the back eight times for them.

He was murdered.
I thought you said you were out.

You admit he was murdered, but have a pop at me for stating a fact about the filming.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:03
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If it wasn't filmed, the police story would be believed.

I absolutely believe that to be the case.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:03
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The suspect was shot 8 times because he wasn't dropped until 8 shots were fired. The number of shots with respect to whether the shooting was justified is irrelevant.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:05
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I thought you said you were out.

You admit he was murdered, but have a pop at me for stating a fact about the filming.
I'm sorry, I am out now.

Maybe you should do the same sometimes.

It wasn't a pop, viewing your posts you are severely of the ACAB mindset.

Reading the Duggan thread it is obvious that you have a real problem with law enforcement and seem to side with the villain rather than the upholders of the law.

I hope one day that you get burgled, the police tell you to bugger off and the Duggans negotiate a price for you to get your stuff back.

Enjoy the debt for life which will be imposed upon your naivety.

My Dad was a copper for thirty years, not important I know but he taught me a lot about mugs.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:25
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I'm sorry, I am out now.

Maybe you should do the same sometimes.

It wasn't a pop, viewing your posts you are severely of the ACAB mindset.

Reading the Duggan thread it is obvious that you have a real problem with law enforcement and seem to side with the villain rather than the upholders of the law.

I hope one day that you get burgled, the police tell you to bugger off and the Duggans negotiate a price for you to get your stuff back.

Enjoy the debt for life which will be imposed upon your naivety.

My Dad was a copper for thirty years, not important I know but he taught me a lot about mugs.
What a load of judgemental crap.

When I was still at home, we were burgled whilst on a family holiday, and all my Dad got from the police was a fleeting visit and a crime number for insurance purposes. As far as I know, the people responsible were never caught.

I certainly have a problem with police who shoot dead those who present no threat to them.

Don't you?

By the way, I don't even know what the chuffing hell "ACAB" stands for - and yes mate, it was a pop and a totally random unnecessary one.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:28
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What a load of judgemental crap.

When I was still at home, we were burgled whilst on a family holiday, and all my Dad got from the plice was a fleeting visit and a crime number for insurance purposes. As far as I know, the people responsible were never caught.

I certainly have a problem with police who shoot dead those who present no threat to them.

Don't you?

By the way, I don't even know what the chuffing hell "ACAB" stands for.
So lets get this straight, none of your posts have been judgemental crap against a Police force which tries it's best & does have bad apples?
Your tar has brushed the full force.

I refuse to believe that you don't know what ACAB is an acronym for.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:28
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By the way, I don't even know what the chuffing hell "ACAB" stands for.
"all coppers are bastards" it`s a knuckle [dragger`s] tattoo.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:33
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So lets get this straight, none of your posts have been judgemental crap against a Police force which tries it's best & does have bad apples?
Your tar has brushed the full force.
What has what I said in the Duggan thread or anywhere else, got the hell to do with this matter ???

If you want to comment on that then do so in the proper place, and don't give me any bull about this not being a deliberate personal pop.

I refuse to believe that you don't know what ACAB is an acronym for.
Believe what you like.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:34
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So lets get this straight, none of your posts have been judgemental crap against a Police force which tries it's best & does have bad apples?
Your tar has brushed the full force.

I refuse to believe that you don't know what ACAB is an acronym for.
He/She has been judgemental about a cop who has shot a man eight times in the back. Why is that a bad thing? I'm judgemental about him too, he's a murderer.
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:49
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He/She has been judgemental about a cop who has shot a man eight times in the back. Why is that a bad thing? I'm judgemental about him too, he's a murderer.
It's not a bad thing, the policeman is a murderer, no doubt about it.

As I said earlier, and maybe not very eloquently I think that Blueblade has a fundamental issue with the police and will seek out any story to belittle and / or discredit them.
Not once have I seen a positive view put forward.
To me that is an insult to a service he'd be buggered without.
I don't mean any offence.

Isn't that what discussion is all about?
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Old 08-04-2015, 07:55
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-murder-charge

they never seem to work when posted from a mobile.


who sits on a grand jury? how`s that all work?
Thanks for posting the link!
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:26
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Always baffles me why people get the idea that firing multiple shots is especially excessive or gung-ho.

You don't get a bonus for every bullet you bring back at the end of a shift.
If you're working on the assumption that somebody needs shooting, for your own safety or (in the case of a cop) the safety of the public, then, at the risk of sounding callous, you might as well do the job properly.
A shooting is a high-stress situation, you don't know how long you'll have your target in your sights and even the best marksmen can't guarantee to hit their target exactly where they intend to so, with that in mind, you don't want to risk firing one shot and then discovering you've missed.

The real issue is simply why so many US cops seem to think that their gun is pretty-much the first and only tool to be employed whenever a situation goes awry.

In the UK, I've seen a cop-car pull out to pursue a speeding biker on a suburban street and then, within a few seconds, pull over and give up.
Clearly, the cop IS thinking about what's going on, there.
He's thinking that he hasn't got a chance of catching a speeding biker who doesn't want to be caught.
He's thinking that nicking somebody for speeding isn't worth the risk to members of the public which a high-speed chase through a suburban area will create and, finally, he's thinking that it isn't worth ending up with a biker splattered all over the road just for the sake of issuing a speeding ticket.

Yank cops just don't seem to think through what they're doing at times.
Instead of asking themselves if the situation actually warrants the possible use of deadly force they just seem to charge in and then, when the shit hits the fan, they use a gun to deal with the situation they've provoked.

The thing that really worries me is that this is actually some kind of deliberate, unofficial, tactic that US cops have decided to employ in response to the number of cops who've been shot while on duty.
The problem isn't so much the police but the general gun culture out there which then leads people to do stupid things like this.

The cop is an idiot, who clearly did the wrong thing here and will likely be punished.

I don't think many will understand the situation over there because we don't have the same culture. Over here police have to think first because other options aren't readily available, that thinking time is often invaluable and is what either saves lives or prevents further injury.

You give every person a gun, police or member of the public and allow them to carry them freely then you will frequently get moments where people in the heat of a moment do stupid or even bad things.

It's times like this that I wish america wouldn't just punish someone, but look at the entire ethics around people having guns.
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:27
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Thanks for posting the link!
my pleasure. i don`t understand why they don`t work, i didn`t change anything, just copied and pasted.
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:30
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my pleasure. i don`t understand why they don`t work, i didn`t change anything, just copied and pasted.
I've found if you quote then add the link whilst on a mobile it doesn't work. If you just reply without quoting and adding the link it does.

I'm not technically minded but found that's how it worked for me!
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Old 08-04-2015, 08:34
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Always baffles me why people get the idea that firing multiple shots is especially excessive or gung-ho.

You don't get a bonus for every bullet you bring back at the end of a shift.
If you're working on the assumption that somebody needs shooting, for your own safety or (in the case of a cop) the safety of the public, then, at the risk of sounding callous, you might as well do the job properly.
A shooting is a high-stress situation, you don't know how long you'll have your target in your sights and even the best marksmen can't guarantee to hit their target exactly where they intend to so, with that in mind, you don't want to risk firing one shot and then discovering you've missed.

The real issue is simply why so many US cops seem to think that their gun is pretty-much the first and only tool to be employed whenever a situation goes awry.

In the UK, I've seen a cop-car pull out to pursue a speeding biker on a suburban street and then, within a few seconds, pull over and give up.
Clearly, the cop IS thinking about what's going on, there.
He's thinking that he hasn't got a chance of catching a speeding biker who doesn't want to be caught.
He's thinking that nicking somebody for speeding isn't worth the risk to members of the public which a high-speed chase through a suburban area will create and, finally, he's thinking that it isn't worth ending up with a biker splattered all over the road just for the sake of issuing a speeding ticket.

Yank cops just don't seem to think through what they're doing at times.
Instead of asking themselves if the situation actually warrants the possible use of deadly force they just seem to charge in and then, when the shit hits the fan, they use a gun to deal with the situation they've provoked.

The thing that really worries me is that this is actually some kind of deliberate, unofficial, tactic that US cops have decided to employ in response to the number of cops who've been shot while on duty.
I'm just not familiar with guns so I didn't know they even had automatics that fired that fast. Only saw the video afterwards.
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