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Old 11-04-2015, 15:59
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We haven't got footage of the entire incident have we ?

We still have a misssing section when the action moves out of range of the poice car - cam to where the witness with the mobile is, so we don't have the full story just yet..
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Old 11-04-2015, 19:22
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We haven't got footage of the entire incident have we ?

We still have a misssing section when the action moves out of range of the poice car - cam to where the witness with the mobile is, so we don't have the full story just yet..
Exactly, all I'm saying we should do is wait until we have the full story before judging. Yes we all know what the video appears to show, but videos can be incredibly misleading because they don't always give us the full picture, and we don't have access to all the information the officer at the time did. We've got NOTHING to lose by taking our time and having patience on this one, it's not like the officer is going to wander off. He's been arrested, he's secure, he isn't going anywhere, so we can afford to take our time and examine all the evidence before arriving at any conclusion.
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Old 11-04-2015, 20:19
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there`s a report today of eight officers in california beating a man senseless.

i`ll fetch a link.

apologies if it`s already posted.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...er-camera.html
But i don't remember seeing any of your shock and horror about these:

Some interesting FACTS from death row USA:


Race of Defendants Executed in the U.S. Since 197
BLACK 486 34%
LATINO 113 8%
WHITE 782 56%
OTHER 24 2%


Race of Victims Since 1976
BLACK 312 15.2%
LATINO 141 6.6%
WHITE 1567 76.0%
OTHER 45 2.2%



Persons Executed for Interracial Murders in the U.S. Since 1976

White Defendant / Black Victim (31)


Black Defendant / White Victim (293)

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race...-executed-1976
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Old 11-04-2015, 20:24
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Exactly, all I'm saying we should do is wait until we have the full story before judging.
You haven't waited though... you have already declared race was nothing to do with it.
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Old 11-04-2015, 21:16
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You haven't waited though... you have already declared race was nothing to do with it.
The difference (as you well know) is that I feel comfortable in assuming someone is innocent until I see proof of their guilt. What you are asking of me is to assume guilt until I see proof of innocence, and I'm not willing to do that. There is no evidence to suggest that race played a part in any of this, so for the time being it isn't relevant. If and when evidence emerges that it did play a part we can discuss it again but tbh I'd prefer we got back on topic, instead of talking about irrelevant things like the colour of the victims skin. It's not at all relevant to this, either the cop was justified in shooting Scott or he wasn't, you CANNOT say "oh if he was black then it wouldn't be justified" because as I've said multiple times, if you can justify shooting someone, it shouldn't matter what colour skin they are.
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Old 11-04-2015, 21:28
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The difference (as you well know) is that I feel comfortable in assuming someone is innocent until I see proof of their guilt. What you are asking of me is to assume guilt until I see proof of innocence, and I'm not willing to do that. There is no evidence to suggest that race played a part in any of this, so for the time being it isn't relevant. If and when evidence emerges that it did play a part we can discuss it again but tbh I'd prefer we got back on topic, instead of talking about irrelevant things like the colour of the victims skin. It's not at all relevant to this, either the cop was justified in shooting Scott or he wasn't, you CANNOT say "oh if he was black then it wouldn't be justified" because as I've said multiple times, if you can justify shooting someone, it shouldn't matter what colour skin they are.
It's relevant for the following reasons:-

a) Many more black people than white people are shot dead by the US police

b) It's a huge issue with black people in the States

c) Walter Scott was shot dead whilst running away - Slager has been arrested for his murder. The public may well assume the murder has a racial motive, or at any rate that a white guy wouldn't have been shot dead by Officer Slager.

d) The race angle is one which will undoubtedly be examined by both the media and in the subsequent trial.

e) There is a large black population in the area in which Mr Scott was shot dead.

To even pretend it's not relevant is stupendously naive.

Also, as Mes quite correctly says, you are the one saying everybody should wait before passing judgement, but here you are dismissing the race angle before it's even been examined.
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Old 11-04-2015, 21:31
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Why don't we summarise.
Scott had a busted tail light.
The car was in the process of being purchased.
He had no outstanding warrants.
He ran away.
There was a scuffle.
A taser was discharged.
One of the prongs was found in Scott.
The taser falls to the ground.
Slager shoots Scott 8 times.
Scott falls to the ground.
Handcuffs him.
Slager moves taser to beside Scott.
Reports in saying Scott had tried to take his taser.
Second responder turns up.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:38
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It's relevant for the following reasons:-

a) Many more black people than white people are shot dead by the US police

b) It's a huge issue with black people in the States

c) Walter Scott was shot dead whilst running away - Slager has been arrested for his murder. The public may well assume the murder has a racial motive, or at any rate that a white guy wouldn't have been shot dead by Officer Slager.

d) The race angle is one which will undoubtedly be examined by both the media and in the subsequent trial.

e) There is a large black population in the area in which Mr Scott was shot dead.

To even pretend it's not relevant is stupendously naive.

Also, as Mes quite correctly says, you are the one saying everybody should wait before passing judgement, but here you are dismissing the race angle before it's even been examined.
The number of police killing victims are also disproportionately male. Therefore, we could contend that the officer was, in fact, being sexist. It would be wrong to dismiss that angle until it has been examined too.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:47
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But i don't remember seeing any of your shock and horror about these:

Some interesting FACTS from death row USA:


Race of Defendants Executed in the U.S. Since 197
BLACK 486 34%
LATINO 113 8%
WHITE 782 56%
OTHER 24 2%


Race of Victims Since 1976
BLACK 312 15.2%
LATINO 141 6.6%
WHITE 1567 76.0%
OTHER 45 2.2%



Persons Executed for Interracial Murders in the U.S. Since 1976

White Defendant / Black Victim (31)


Black Defendant / White Victim (293)

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race...-executed-1976

your join date is this month maybe you havn`t read the right threads. if you`ve a mind to search through thousands of posts i`m sure you`ll find some.
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Old 13-04-2015, 00:21
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It's relevant for the following reasons:-

a) Many more black people than white people are shot dead by the US police
And you're jumping to the worst conclusion about that statistics, that the cops are deliberately "targeting" black people. Maybe we might want to consider other explanations, like maybe more black people than white people put themselves in situations where they are likely to get shot?

c) Walter Scott was shot dead whilst running away - Slager has been arrested for his murder. The public may well assume the murder has a racial motive, or at any rate that a white guy wouldn't have been shot dead by Officer Slager.
Why might they assume that?

There is a large black population in the area in which Mr Scott was shot dead.
So what?

Also, as Mes quite correctly says, you are the one saying everybody should wait before passing judgement, but here you are dismissing the race angle before it's even been examined.
I don't know if you're playing dumb or genuinely haven't grasped the basic foundation of most modern justice systems, but there is a clear difference between assuming someones innocence until shown proof of their guilt, and assuming someones guilt until shown proof of their innocence. Why do you keep making such a big deal out of the colour of Scotts skin, you are acting like it is in any way relevant. Either the shooting was justified or it was not. You may as well constantly bring up stuff like "He was a meat eater" or "He was a Democrat supporter", because they are just as irrelevant factors in this as race. I hope that by saying this I haven't started another conspiracy where this time the cop clearly murdered Scott because he was a meat eater.
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Old 13-04-2015, 00:30
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Why don't we summarise.
Scott had a busted tail light.
The car was in the process of being purchased.
He had no outstanding warrants.
He ran away.
There was a scuffle.
A taser was discharged.
One of the prongs was found in Scott.
The taser falls to the ground.
Slager shoots Scott 8 times.
Scott falls to the ground.
Handcuffs him.
Slager moves taser to beside Scott.
Reports in saying Scott had tried to take his taser.
Second responder turns up.
Scott was black.
Slager is white.
Ignore everything you posted.

(Well, some posters work on this basis anyway)
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Old 13-04-2015, 07:13
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Another incident.

A 73 year old? reserve or not if he's so addled he can't tell the difference between a gun and a taser he shouldn't be in that position.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/0...stead-of-taser
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Old 13-04-2015, 10:05
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Another incident.

A 73 year old? reserve or not if he's so addled he can't tell the difference between a gun and a taser he shouldn't be in that position.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/0...stead-of-taser
I don't even know why he felt the need to taser, let alone shoot him. He'd been caught. The actions of the officers after he was shot is disgusting. He's telling them he can't breath and one responds withs "F*ck your breath."
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Old 13-04-2015, 10:08
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I don't even know why he felt the need to taser, let alone shoot him. He'd been caught. The actions of the officers after he was shot is disgusting. He's telling them he can't breath and one responds withs "F*ck your breath."
The restraint techniques the US cops use are pretty bad. The risk of positional asphyxia is really high.
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Old 09-12-2016, 17:34
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haven't seen this mentioned anywhere else on here.

there is something very wrong with the legal system when, even in a seemingly open-and-shut case captured on video, and with the defendant proven to have lied and attempted to pervert the course of justice, he still gets away with it.
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