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Another black man shot dead in USA by police officer
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Rhythm Stick
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“It's been explained by others why so many shots are fired. If there are grounds to shoot, you make sure you do the job.

Look at how many times the SAS shot the hostages in the Iranian Embassy, and they were classed as heroes.

Were fired up with testosterone, and nothing else mattered?

In such a situation, you need to make sure.

In this case, there is nothing to justify the shooting.”

"Why did you shoot the suspect 28 times?"
"Because I ran out out ammunition".
Rhythm Stick
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“This is an indefensible one.
Is it a wise move to empty your clip into a suspect? seems risky tactics as your gun would then be empty, what if there is a second suspect?”

1. In this particular episode - he didn't empty the magazine. Small calibre pistols generally have magazines with over 10 rounds in capacity.
2. In this particular episode - there wasn't a second suspect.
3. If there is a second suspect - that's why you carry additional ammunition.
4. Nothing quite as useless when you're dead or injured as unspent ammunition that you were saving for another threat.
5. In the Iranian Embassy Assault - that's why you have back up.
D_Mcd4
08-04-2015
That's awful. Some police must hate mobile phone cameras. They're everywhere now.
Danny_Silver
08-04-2015
I am shocked with DS members saying the police officer deserves to be charge of murder.

This is not the DS I know.
MC_Satan
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Rhythm Stick:
“1. In this particular episode - he didn't empty the magazine. Small calibre pistols generally have magazines with over 10 rounds in capacity.
2. In this particular episode - there wasn't a second suspect.
3. If there is a second suspect - that's why you carry additional ammunition.
4. Nothing quite as useless when you're dead or injured as unspent ammunition that you were saving for another threat.
5. In the Iranian Embassy Assault - that's why you have back up.”

Not disputing that.
Although people are saying the cops are trained to empty their clip.
Deep Purple
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by MC_Satan:
“Not disputing that.
Although people are saying the cops are trained to empty their clip.”

I'm not sure they are trained for that. It's not the case here, but you fire as many times as you can to stop the threat.
Deep Purple
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Rhythm Stick:
“"Why did you shoot the suspect 28 times?"
"Because I ran out out ammunition".”

Exactly.
shaddler
08-04-2015
Good to see that he's been charged with murder.
Ethel_Fred
08-04-2015
Suspect ran, officer drew weapon, fired 8 times all within a couple of seconds.

Good job there wasn't anyone else in the line of fire as it doesn't seem the officer checked.
gold2040
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Danny_Silver:
“I am shocked with DS members saying the police officer deserves to be charge of murder.

This is not the DS I know.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fWPsjod8_E

Truly disgusting though,
Another POV
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by NathalieR:
“This one is quite shocking. The video is very sad.
Walter Scott was pulled over by the officer over a broken car light - the victim ran off and was shot 8 times in the back!
Officer Michael Slager has been charged with murder - he claims the victim took his taser but it doesn't appear the victim had a weapon looking at the video and apparently the officer dropped something next to the body.

I didn't really read too much it until I saw the video, really sad and I hope justice is served.

I don't know what's happening over there but it's getting out of control. Why do these officers shoot to kill at EVERY opportunity ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-murder-charge”

Because some think they are above the law. I want to know why whole sections of America's police are kitted up like soldiers going to war?
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Another POV:
“Because they think they are above the law. I want to know why whole sections of America's police are kitted up like soldiers going to war?”

Because they face a threat of firearms every day?

As I've said before its a totally different culture out there. You can pop down the shops and buy a gun and in some states walk around carrying it for everyone to see.

Don't know about you but I wouldn't fancy policing that.
Another POV
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“Because they face a threat of firearms every day?

As I've said before its a totally different culture out there. You can pop down the shops and buy a gun and in some states walk around carrying it for everyone to see.

Don't know about you but I wouldn't fancy policing that.”

There was the same threat from civilian guns in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's but the police didn't have kevlar body armour, the same automatic assualt rifles you see the US Army using, or armoured vechicles with heavy machine guns as they have now, nor did they have the tactics the US Army use when going to a house.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Another POV:
“There was the same threat from civilian guns in the 1950's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's but the police didn't have kevlar body armour, the same automatic assualt rifles you see the US Army using, or armoured vechicles with heavy machine guns as they have now, nor did they have the tactics the US Army use when going to a house.”

It's a different threat, guns evolve, the threat evolves. Not every officer goes in the gear you mention.
TrollHunter
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by R82n8:
“It's not a bad thing, the policeman is a murderer, no doubt about it.

As I said earlier, and maybe not very eloquently I think that Blueblade has a fundamental issue with the police and will seek out any story to belittle and / or discredit them.
Not once have I seen a positive view put forward.
To me that is an insult to a service he'd be buggered without.
I don't mean any offence.

Isn't that what discussion is all about?”

For someone that's twice claimed to be leaving this thread, you're certainly doing a damn fine job staying. Please stop derailing the thread with speculative nonsense about what Blueblade may or may not have done in a totally different thread. THIS thread is about the murder of Walter Lamer Scott. It's not about your beef with bb.

If you really have such strong views about another member, take it to PM rather than clogging up the thread with your crap.
Another POV
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“It's a different threat, guns evolve, the threat evolves. Not every officer goes in the gear you mention.”

They are the police, not the army. If the threat goes to bad the state governer can order the army/national guard onto the streets to restore order. The American police are now getting kitted up like an army. EVERY town across America now has a SWAT team, who are often called out for even minor incidents. That isn't policing, its the formation of a police state.
Deep Purple
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Another POV:
“They are the police, not the army. If the threat goes to bad the state governer can order the army/national guard onto the streets to restore order. The American police are now getting kitted up like an army. EVERY town across America now has a SWAT team, who are often called out for even minor incidents. That isn't policing, its the formation of a police state.”

Every area here has such teams, with all the kit required for a major incident, but that doesn't mean they all patrol with such stuff all the time.
Another POV
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Every area here has such teams, with all the kit required for a major incident, but that doesn't mean they all patrol with such stuff all the time.”

No, but every demonstration in America is met by a line of robocops, who are kitted up like they are off to battle. You would have thought that 'in the land of the free' being abled to demonstrate was a 'democratic freedom' and able to express your views.
Deep Purple
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Another POV:
“No, but every demonstration in America is met by a line of robocops, who are kitted up like they are off to battle. You would have thought that 'in the land of the free' being abled to demonstrate was a 'democratic freedom' and able to express your views.”

Are they really? Or just the ones where trouble is expected?
Another POV
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Are they really? Or just the ones where trouble is expected?”

Depends on what you define as 'trouble'.
Ethel_Fred
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Every area here has such teams, with all the kit required for a major incident, but that doesn't mean they all patrol with such stuff all the time.”

There has been much criticism in the US of the militarisation of the police. SWAT teams for example were supposed to be for major incidents now they seem to be used routinely for even minor offences
dee123
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Another POV:
“Because some think they are above the law. I want to know why whole sections of America's police are kitted up like soldiers going to war?”

$$$$$$ is your answer. Getting those contracts is big money for the companies that make that equipment. Plus with Iraq & Afghanistan winding down, you have to make that money somewhere. Why not at home?
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by dee123:
“$$$$$$ is your answer. Getting those contracts is big money for the companies that make that equipment. Plus with Iraq & Afghanistan winding down, you have to make that money somewhere. Why not at home?”

I think you are partly correct there...

Guns etc are big money for the government, hence why they are used more frequently. Also lets not forget the yanks are massively paranoid after 9/11 so it doesn't come as a massive surprise.
Mrs Jones
08-04-2015
If he is not convicted that city will go up in flames.
Andy2
08-04-2015
Of course it was wrong for the cop to shoot an escaping man in the back, but why did the man make a grab for the officer's taser? And why run away, was he a wanted man, were there drugs in the car? There is obviously far more to this story than we are currently being told, but of course the anti-police mob will milk it for all its worth.
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