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Another black man shot dead in USA by police officer
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blueblade
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“Yeah... but nothing starts an outbreak of lawlessness better than a racist cop shooting someone in the back.”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quoted for truth !
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Quoted for truth !”

1. How do you know he is racist?
2. What justification does it give for hundreds of people to smash up a city and go looting?
Deep Purple
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Mesostim:
“Yeah... but nothing starts an outbreak of lawlessness better than a racist cop shooting someone in the back.”

What is your position on shooting people in the back?
Big Boy Barry
08-04-2015
If you make people understand that they are insignificant in society, to such an extent even the police will kill them without thinking twice, it's no surprise you get rioting and looting in response. The feeling is "why bother respecting the law, when it has little regard for our lives?"
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Big Boy Barry:
“If you make people understand that they are insignificant in society, to such an extent even the police will kill them without thinking twice, it's no surprise you get rioting and looting in response. The feeling is "why bother respecting the law, when it has little regard for our lives?"”

Pretty childish/selfish act though don't you think?

I don't like the police so I'm going to go round smashing things up and stealing, affecting and ruining other people's lives.

Again, where is the logic in that?
Monty Fuque
08-04-2015
If a jury acquits him then they will have spent hundreds of hours viewing and listening to the evidence before coming to a considered verdict.

A poorly shot and incomplete you tube vido is good evidence, but it isn't the complete story is it ?
Big Boy Barry
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“Pretty childish/selfish act though don't you think?

I don't like the police so I'm going to go round smashing things up and stealing, affecting and ruining other people's lives.

Again, where is the logic in that?”

There's no logic in any of it. Neither the callous killing of citizenry, or their reaction to it. All of it is wrong.
Big Boy Barry
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Monty Fuque:
“If a jury acquits him then they will have spent hundreds of hours viewing and listening to the evidence before coming to a considered verdict.

A poorly shot and incomplete you tube vido is good evidence, but it isn't the complete story is it ?”

In theory, but history has shown time and time again that juries often express their own prejudices, even in spite of evidence to the contrary.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Monty Fuque:
“If a jury acquits him then they will have spent hundreds of hours viewing and listening to the evidence before coming to a considered verdict.

A poorly shot and incomplete you tube vido is good evidence, but it isn't the complete story is it ?”

I think that's my only issue with this. Someone mentioned that the cop was judge, jury and executioner yet here we all are doing the exact same based upon a YouTube clip.

Don't get me wrong he appears to be totally guilty and should face jail, but luckily our legal system isn't based on YouTube clips
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Big Boy Barry:
“In theory, but history has shown time and time again that juries often express their own prejudices, even in spite of evidence to the contrary.”

Works for all parties though, not just white/black or cop/citezen
MC_Satan
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“I think that's my only issue with this. Someone mentioned that the cop was judge, jury and executioner yet here we all are doing the exact same based upon a YouTube clip.

Don't get me wrong he appears to be totally guilty and should face jail, but luckily our legal system isn't based on YouTube clips”

No one on here has shot anyone. We are discussing it. The same discussion that will be happening in many places.
The moving of the taser and radio message from the police officer are particularly damning.
Big Boy Barry
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“Works for all parties though, not just white/black or cop/citezen”

Historically it disproportionately affects blacks.
Axtol
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“I think that's my only issue with this. Someone mentioned that the cop was judge, jury and executioner yet here we all are doing the exact same based upon a YouTube clip.

Don't get me wrong he appears to be totally guilty and should face jail, but luckily our legal system isn't based on YouTube clips”

Quite. The footage appears to show him in the wrong but I've learned to be wary. Videos are notorious for not showing the whole story and when someone is being accused of murder, I'd rather be safe than sorry; let's get all the facts and if, as it appears, he is guilty then we can punish him.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Axtol:
“Quite. The footage appears to show him in the wrong but I've learned to be wary. Videos are notorious for not showing the whole story and when someone is being accused of murder, I'd rather be safe than sorry; let's get all the facts and if, as it appears, he is guilty then we can punish him.”

My own view of it is that there was an altercation between the guy and the cop. He has then ran off, the cop has panicked and being the rigger happy type the are, he has shot him. In panic realising he has messed up he has chucked the taser down to make it look like he was attacked.

He appears to be an idiot who has made a stupid decision and tried to cover his mistake.

Should be found guilty and sent to jail.

He doesn't appear to be a racist cold blooded murderer as made out who has found a black guy and just gunned him down.

Just my view on it.
ustarion
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“My own view of it is that there was an altercation between the guy and the cop. He has then ran off, the cop has panicked and being the rigger happy type the are, he has shot him. In panic realising he has messed up he has chucked the taser down to make it look like he was attacked.

He appears to be an idiot who has made a stupid decision and tried to cover his mistake.

Should be found guilty and sent to jail.

He doesn't appear to be a racist cold blooded murderer as made out who has found a black guy and just gunned him down.

Just my view on it.”

How can you possibly come to that judgement, even if you think there is more to this than the video?
Jim_McIntosh
08-04-2015
The local news is far better. You get a real taste of the tensions and statements as they happen. The rally earlier was pretty heart-breaking and tense.

http://www.live5news.com/story/28749...n-n-charleston

"When asked if police procedures were followed, Chief Driggers says "Obviously not.""

They've got an independent body in to investigate but the police aren't exactly backing him at this early stage with the early charge. He's also been fired and placed in protective custody. Mayor says they have more video which is with SLED (independent investigators I think) but that he hasn't watched it himself.

I expect tensions will remain high until the rest of the video gets released and either exonerates or damns him.
ecckles
08-04-2015
A clear case of murder & the cop shop get his comeuppance, but don't be surprised if he don't
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“How can you possibly come to that judgement, even if you think there is more to this than the video?”

The same way people come up with there views that he is a racist cold blooded murderer based upon the video alone.

Tell me what happens in the video which makes people assume he is a racist?
blueblade
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“The same way people come up with there views that he is a racist cold blooded murderer based upon the video alone.”

Well it's definitely cold blooded murder. I'm sorry but no decent person with a conscience could shoot dead another human being, who posed no threat to them.

Quote:
“Tell me what happens in the video which makes people assume he is a racist?”

Because the guy is black.

You have to ask yourself if he would have shot a white guy dead in the same circumstances. My betting is not.

If nothing else, at least Slager has been sacked.
ustarion
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“The same way people come up with there views that he is a racist cold blooded murderer based upon the video alone.

Tell me what happens in the video which makes people assume he is a racist?”

Well that view - wrongly or rightly - is because the officer is white and the deceased was black and it is against a national context. I don't see how you can come to your conclusion however.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Well it's definitely cold blooded murder. I'm sorry but no decent person with a conscience could shoot somebody dead who posed no threat to them.



Because the guy is black.

You have to ask yourself if he would have shot a white guy dead in the same circumstances. My betting is not.”

So every incident involving a white person and a black person HAS to be racist?

What about people that have shot intruders running away from their home? Are they cold blooded murderers too?

Just to reiterate, I don't condone this and firmly believe the cop should go to jail, but I agree with the mayor who stated the cop made a bad decision. He did.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Well that view - wrongly or rightly - is because the officer is white and the deceased was black and it is against a national context. I don't see how you can come to your conclusion however.”

Again, the same way a person can 'assume' it's a racist incident based on a few seconds of video. Why does that make your conclusion more correct than mine?
Dr. Claw
08-04-2015
it's murder.

btw this forum has a strange obsession with american police
ustarion
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“Again, the same way a person can 'assume' it's a racist incident based on a few seconds of video. Why does that make your conclusion more correct than mine?”

As I said, he may well not be a racist. I've explained why that interpretation might come about.

I am asking you how can you tell he "doesn't appear a racist cold blooded murderer". What has led you to that conclusion?
Proposition Joe
08-04-2015
You got this cop on CAMERA murdering a man who was running away from him, planting a taser to make it seem like the victim was a 'threat' and lying in his statement before this video came and still you got people trying to justify this.
Unbelievable.
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