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Another black man shot dead in USA by police officer
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blueblade
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“So every incident involving a white person and a black person HAS to be racist?”

No, not necessarily - and you're right. There's no hard evidence to show that Slager has committed a murder that is racist - although he's still committed murder. But my personal hunch is that he wouldn't have done it if the guy had been white.

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“What about people that have shot intruders running away from their home? Are they cold blooded murderers too?”

If the person can be clearly seen in daylight, running away, then yes they are cold blooded murderers.

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“Just to reiterate, I don't condone this and firmly believe the cop should go to jail, but I agree with the mayor who stated the cop made a bad decision. He did.”

Agreed.
5hane
08-04-2015
I know how the community can solve the problem and earn some respect; Start rioting and looting.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“As I said, he may well not be a racist. I've explained why that interpretation might come about.

I am asking you how can you tell he "doesn't appear a racist cold blooded murderer". What has led you to that conclusion?”

An altercation occurs before the video properly starts and it's my understanding that he was wanted for something very minor. For that reason the cop has a reason to be dealing with him and isn't just randomly picking on some black guy.

We don't know what happens, but il make a safe assumption that the guy probably didn't want to be arrested hence why he got away from the cop.

The cop now has 3 options, chase, let him run, or shoot.

As something has already happened with the Tazer he clearly wanted to use force of some kind, again we didn't see what happened before so we don't know why.

Whether it was pride, a rush of adrenaline or what he has then shot him. We have seen countless examples of where American poloce move to firearms too quickly.

Based upon that I can make a reasonable assumption that the cop wasn't going round hunting black people and I question if as much fuss would be made of this was the victim not black.

However the cop was a trigger happy idiot who shouldn't have shot him and I'm almost certain he will face the consequences. The fact he tried to cover his tracks showed he knew he messed up. However let's not turn this into a race thing when there's no evidence at present to suggest it was.
Bulletguy1
08-04-2015
Policeman stops black guy for cracked rear light () on his vehicle who then runs off. Police officer proceeds to empty off 8 rounds into the back of the man to kill him (you shoot at the legs if your intention is to bring someone down).

A bystander, obviously not seen by the Police films the entire episode on his phone which on closer examination then shows the officer walking over to the dead man dropping his taser by the body as he radios back to base "he'd grabbed my taser...".

That's murder.
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Policeman stops black guy for cracked rear light () on his vehicle who then runs off. Police officer proceeds to empty off 8 rounds into the back of the man to kill him (you shoot at the legs if your intention is to bring someone down).

A bystander, obviously not seen by the Police films the entire episode on his phone which on closer examination then shows the officer walking over to the dead man dropping his taser by the body as he radios back to base "he'd grabbed my taser...".

That's murder.”

Why do so many people believe that police should go around shooting people in the legs???

They are trained to aim for the largest area. Not that it is justified here obviously.
jzee
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Policeman stops black guy for cracked rear light () on his vehicle who then runs off. Police officer proceeds to empty off 8 rounds into the back of the man to kill him (you shoot at the legs if your intention is to bring someone down). ”

Why are you missing out the part where he tried to grab the taser, which then fell on the ground?
Fappy_McFapper
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Pee:
“I can...”

Same here.
jacquelineanne
08-04-2015
"Stop or I'll shoot". Err I think I will run...duh.
Bulletguy1
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“Why do so many people believe that police should go around shooting people in the legs???”

Because that's how you bring a person down very quickly without killing them......assuming you can shoot of course, and if he couldn't hit his legs from the distance he was firing then quite frankly he shouldn't have a gun.

Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“They are trained to aim for the largest area. Not that it is justified here obviously.”

They are Police Officers in a supposedly 'civilised' country......not front line infantry soldiers facing IS.
Monty Fuque
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Policeman stops black guy for cracked rear light () on his vehicle who then runs off. Police officer proceeds to empty off 8 rounds into the back of the man to kill him (you shoot at the legs if your intention is to bring someone down).

A bystander, obviously not seen by the Police films the entire episode on his phone which on closer examination then shows the officer walking over to the dead man dropping his taser by the body as he radios back to base "he'd grabbed my taser...".

That's murder.”

Surely you meant to say that's a purely personal opinion based on an incomplete theory of a sketchy incident you have scant details of ?

How do you know the guy didn't grab the taser, and why assume the moving of the taser next to the body is a sign of anything ?
mrtdg82
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Because that's how you bring a person down very quickly without killing them......assuming you can shoot of course, and if he couldn't hit his legs from the distance he was firing then quite frankly he shouldn't have a gun.

They are Police Officers in a supposedly 'civilised' country......not front line infantry soldiers facing IS.”

Not part of the training in any country. It's not the movies.
idlewilde
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Policeman stops black guy for cracked rear light () on his vehicle who then runs off. Police officer proceeds to empty off 8 rounds into the back of the man to kill him (you shoot at the legs if your intention is to bring someone down).”

Question: Exactly how much firearms training and / or experience in shooting people have you had in order to reach this conclusion?
Bulletguy1
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Monty Fuque:
“Surely you meant to say that's a purely personal opinion based on an incomplete theory of a sketchy incident you have scant details of ?”

Like everyone else on here, i saw and listened to the news.

That is everything we all have to go on.

Originally Posted by Monty Fuque:
“How do you know the guy didn't grab the taser, and why assume the moving of the taser next to the body is a sign of anything ?”

If he 'grabbed the taser' then he didn't make mjuch of an effort did he because seconds later when the Officer is satisified he's killed him, he walks over and drops the taser by the dead mans body.

That is clearly seen on the video and indisputable.

Of course had it not been filmed the Police officer would have got away with lying.
jacquelineanne
08-04-2015
Looked to me like the black man dropped the taser as he was running.

Has there been any looting yet?
autumn
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Like everyone else on here, i saw and listened to the news.

That is everything we all have to go on.

If he 'grabbed the taser' then he didn't make mjuch of an effort did he because seconds later when the Officer is satisified he's killed him, he walks over and drops the taser by the dead mans body.

That is clearly seen on the video and indisputable.

Of course had it not been filmed the Police officer would have got away with lying.”

Only surprise is that he didn't wrap the dead man's hand around the taser. Note the way the beast keeps shouting put your hands behind your back, just to reinforce the lie of a threat. No surprise that people are so quick to defend his murderous action.
sorcha_healy27
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“The same way people come up with there views that he is a racist cold blooded murderer based upon the video alone.

Tell me what happens in the video which makes people assume he is a racist?”

He may well be a murderer but where's the evidence he was a racist?
lightdragon
08-04-2015
I think I need a little more info before I make up my mind. Like they seem to be running in a park, so how far did the cop chase this dude from his car before he shot? I'm undecided about the scuffle, but maybe the person who caught it on camera will fill in that blank, did he just start filming because he saw a cop chasing someone?

All in all though, in my mind it would be unnecessary force, guy was running away so how much did you really fear for your life at that moment? Is it racially motivated? The pull over for the light situation may have had an element of racial profiling, I honestly couldn't say it was a definite though.

^^Everything said may be changed given new information. At the moment though I'm glad the cop is facing charges, let the courts decide, rather than it being covered up or ruled on by the court of public opinion.
Bulletguy1
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by mrtdg82:
“Not part of the training in any country. It's not the movies.”

It's always 'the movies' in the US. Dirty Harry is still on patrol in SFPD.......isn't he?


Originally Posted by idlewilde:
“Question: Exactly how much firearms training and / or experience in shooting people have you had in order to reach this conclusion?”

Answer: self none. Never shot a person ever but shot plenty of rounds of various calibre.
My son on the other hand was ex-Special forces and i know the training he underwent. They can't afford to bring someone down.....they shoot to kill.
hume
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Anachrony:
“If he isn't convicted, I give up on our justice system. It should be basically impossible for him to take the standard tactic of coming up with some reason that he thought it was necessary. He's on tape immediately staging the the crime scene and reporting facts that totally conflict with what he is seen to do. By all rights there should be no possible way to claim he thought it was justified at the time, when his actions show that he knows it was not.”

If the video footage is ruled inadmissible in court, the officer involved will walk. The victim's brother is right in saying if there was no video evidence, officer Michael Slager's word alone, would be enough to exonerate himself of wrongdoing. As was the case with Darren Wilson.

The justice system is morally bankrupt. Judges admit they aren't there to serve the interests of justice, only the law. Which is ironic since it's uses the term 'justice' to describe itself. A spot of false advertising for the masses. And of course it's the law as they determine it, not as it's written.

I have little faith in the system.
idlewilde
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He may well be a murderer but where's the evidence he was a racist?”

He's white and the dead guy is black. That's all you need round here.
sorcha_healy27
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by idlewilde:
“He's white and the dead guy is black. That's all you need round here.”

I will happily stand corrected if it does turn out to be the case but it's ridiculous to jump to that concluded at this moment in time.
Bulletguy1
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“He may well be a murderer but where's the evidence he was a racist?”

You don't need to be a racist to commit an act of murder.
sorcha_healy27
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“You don't need to be a racist to commit an act of murder.”

Obviously. Which is why I made the comment I did.
idlewilde
08-04-2015
Originally Posted by Bulletguy1:
“Answer: self none. Never shot a person ever but shot plenty of rounds of various calibre.
My son on the other hand was ex-Special forces and i know the training he underwent. They can't afford to bring someone down.....they shoot to kill.”

That same training is given to all firearm using personnel in the military and in law enforcement. The idea that a firearm should be used to try and wound or wing a target is a complete and utter myth. I have no firearms training whatsoever, but even I know that they aren't trained to kill, or to wound, simply to "stop" and that means aiming at the area of largest mass, which is the torso. It can't be coincidence that a firearm or ammunition's efficiency is known as "stopping power"
Grouty
08-04-2015
Give the **** the death penalty!
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