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Maisie Williams has been cast as Susan?
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PoshEmoDork
10-04-2015
Hello I have done a little video on the casting of Maisie Williams in Doctor Who. Please give it a watch and Check it out. It has theory of who she might be cast as and also if you didn't know what episodes she is in

*link removed*
iaindb
10-04-2015
I reckon she's been cast as a rogue Clara Oswald. There's a look of Clara about her (especially the eyebrows) and there are supposed to be a million Clara's floating around the Doctor's time-stream.

I'm not sure Moffett is over-enthusiastic about bringing back characters from Classic Who. Hence the reason we haven't seen The Rani, despite quite a few people hoping she'll turn up.
Lewis Christian
10-04-2015
Let's hope she's a totally new character. Enough with stuff from the past or that old Clara guff.
iaindb
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by Lewis Christian:
“Let's hope she's a totally new character. Enough with stuff from the past or that old Clara guff.”

Thing is, if she's a totally new character, why is Moffett being so reticent about telling us the character's name or anything else about her.

No, wait.... I can answer that

- because he gets a big buzz out of being mysterious and cryptic.
PoshEmoDork
10-04-2015
I think it may be someone we have seen before but clara I dont think so But I think its going to be a time lord
iaindb
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by PoshEmoDork:
“I think it may be someone we have seen before but clara I dont think so But I think its going to be a time lord”

Little Miss Missy

(Possibly not such a fanciful proposition if we think back to the various regenerations of River Song.)
PoshEmoDork
10-04-2015
To be honest I did think that previously Then i thought susan would be evan cooler! Maybe she could be missy's companion?
doctor blue box
10-04-2015
This conversation and the various posts within are like deja vu from last year when everyone was speculating about Missy. There were people then saying 'an aspect of clara' or 'the dreamlord' and things of that nature.

I said it then, and I'll say it again in this case - I absolutely not only hope it won't be but seriously doubt it would be an 'aspect of Clara'. Moffat seems to have basically acknowledged that the multiple Clara stuff was a bit of an overcomplicated mess, hence why its been quietly forgotten since with all efforts in series 8 to treat her like any normal companion. Was so glad after it seemed suggested so much last time that it didn't turn out to be the case with Missy, and I hope what happened then is what happen's this time i.e either a completely new character or a returning one revamped that has absolutely nothing to do with being an aspect of Clara or the doctor.

The Susan idea could work as long as it's well explained who the character is for the benefit of new who only viewers. I suspect that their may be a few older viewers though who couldn't handle the idea of another actress taking on the role, even though she is a timelord presumably capable of regeneration.
iaindb
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“This conversation and the various posts within are like deja vu from last year when everyone was speculating about Missy. There were people then saying 'an aspect of clara' or 'the dreamlord' and things of that nature.

I said it then, and I'll say it again in this case - I absolutely not only hope it won't be but seriously doubt it would be an 'aspect of Clara'. Moffat seems to have basically acknowledged that the multiple Clara stuff was a bit of an overcomplicated mess, hence why its been quietly forgotten since with all efforts in series 8 to treat her like any normal companion.”

Would you say "The Impossible Girl" storyline was the result of Moffett backing himself into a corner?

1) He wanted to bring Jenna into Asylum Of The Daleks as a surprise but as she's not gong to be in episodes 2 to 5, he has to kill the character off.

2) He changes his mind about Clara being a Victorian character, so Victorian Clara dies in The Snowman.

3) When we meet Clara the companion, he decides the three Clara's have to be connected in a supernatural way to create a mystery or the Doctor. (They can't just be ancestors and descendants?)

4) He has her touch the lives of all the Doctors because we're coming up to the 50th anniversary, Also, this was a way to introduce The War Doctor.

Not the first time Moffet has abandoned an ill-thought-out idea half way through (if he has!!!!) Whatever happened to the multi-coloured daleks?
doctor blue box
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Would you say "The Impossible Girl" storyline was the result of Moffett backing himself into a corner?

1) He wanted to bring Jenna into Asylum Of The Daleks as a surprise but as she's not gong to be in episodes 2 to 5, he has to kill the character off.

2) He changes his mind about Clara being a Victorian character, so Victorian Clara dies in The Snowman.

3) When we meet Clara the companion, he decides the three Clara's have to be connected in a supernatural way to create a mystery or the Doctor. (They can't just be ancestors and descendants?)

4) He has her touch the lives of all the Doctors because we're coming up to the 50th anniversary, Also, this was a way to introduce The War Doctor.

Not the first time Moffet has abandoned an ill-thought-out idea half way through (if he has!!!!) Whatever happened to the multi-coloured daleks?”

I agree with everything said here. People often say 'oh, but Moffat admits he dosen't write things down/plan ahead' as some sort of defence,to which I just think why not? he has such ambitious ideas that he should make sure the whole thing is thought out and he knows all the answers before any one script is ever handed in for filming, not tease us on already filmed episodes when he still often hasn't figured things out himself.
PoshEmoDork
10-04-2015
He is a clever but very frustrating guy So hope it is Susan
Dalekbuster523
10-04-2015
No. Because Carole Anne Ford is still alive.
Michael_Eve
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“No. Because Carole Anne Ford is still alive.”

And could therefore do the regeneration scene.

Can't see it myself. Says Mr "Don't think Gomez is the Master" Trousers.
gareth1408
10-04-2015
IMHO I think people are reading too much into the character Maisie will be playing.

When we knew Jenna Coleman had been cast as the new companion Moffat refused to even divulge what her name would be, or anything about her, which had everyone speculating all sorts of stuff, turns out her name had no significance at all.

I think this is probably going to be the same - they're just building up the hype because of her connection with GOT
silentNate
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I reckon she's been cast as a rogue Clara Oswald. There's a look of Clara about her (especially the eyebrows) and there are supposed to be a million Clara's floating around the Doctor's time-stream.

I'm not sure Moffett is over-enthusiastic about bringing back characters from Classic Who. Hence the reason we haven't seen The Rani, despite quite a few people hoping she'll turn up.”

Damn... I wanted to suggest that!!
iaindb
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“This conversation and the various posts within are like deja vu from last year when everyone was speculating about Missy. There were people then saying 'an aspect of clara' or 'the dreamlord' and things of that nature.

I said it then, and I'll say it again in this case - I absolutely not only hope it won't be but seriously doubt it would be an 'aspect of Clara'. Moffat seems to have basically acknowledged that the multiple Clara stuff was a bit of an overcomplicated mess, hence why its been quietly forgotten since with all efforts in series 8 to treat her like any normal companion.”

Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“I agree with everything said here. People often say 'oh, but Moffat admits he dosen't write things down/plan ahead' as some sort of defence,to which I just think why not? he has such ambitious ideas that he should make sure the whole thing is thought out and he knows all the answers before any one script is ever handed in for filming, not tease us on already filmed episodes when he still often hasn't figured things out himself.”

Maybe Moffett will return to the theme of Clara The Impossible Girl next series but in a less complicated way.

Last Series
Moffett courts controversy. The Doctor goes in search of the Afterlife. Cue outrage and accusations of blasphemy from the Daily Mail.

Why does the Doctor go in search of the Afterlife? Because someone he cares deeply about (Clara) is grieving and in great pain.

This means creating and developing a character for Clara to grieve over - Danny Pink. So that's Clara's story-arc for series 8; balancing the two men in her life. The Doctor is for adventure in time and space and Danny is for love and romance on Planet Earth.

This means The Impossible Girl idea is surplus to requirements.


But a new series needs a new story arc. Rumours abound that the Doctor will be facing great danger from an unknown threat. Now this may just be wild speculation on the part of a Dr Who fan (like the rest of this post.) but it does seem to fit in with the one piece of dialogue to be overheard during filming in Tenerife.

CLARA: You came here for my help.
MISSY: Because the Doctor is in danger.

The opening 2-part story has the episode titles "The Magician's Apprentice" and "The Witch's Familiar". These sound like supernatural characters, but at the same time it does seem likely both titles will apply to Clara (especially if she gets abducted by Missy).

Meanwhile, Clare Higgins presence in the guest cast suggests the return of The Sisterhood Of Karn and the episode titles suggest they're more likely to encounter Clara than the Doctor.

Maybe the Sisterhood rescue Clara from Missy and send her back to the Doctor to save him from the unknown threat (in the series finale. In the meantime he's a few other adventures from other writers.) Maybe one of the other Clara's that are supposed to be out there will be one of the Sisterhood. Brief scene of Clara meeting Clara in a duel role for Jenna.

And that's why Maisie might well be playing a Clara as well - a rogue Clara. Do it once, do it again in a different way. It would tie in with the Doctor not being able to see Clara properly, allowing Rogue Clara to pass herself off as Good Clara with Good Clara left behind as the cliffhanger ending to The Girl Who Died. it would also explain why Moffett is co-writer of The Girl Who Died. (Although so also would Maisie playing Susan or Maisie playing a young Missy).

This is fun. Where does one apply to be the Doctor's next show-runner?
Dalekbuster523
10-04-2015
Originally Posted by Michael_Eve:
“And could therefore do the regeneration scene. ”

Would seem a bit rude, though, for them to invite Carole Anne Ford back just for a regeneration.

"Hey, will you come back in series 9 so we can tell you to bog off and replace you with this new young actor?"
CD93
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“"Hey, will you come back in series 9 so we can tell you to bog off and replace you with this new young actor?"”

Being asked back to the TV series at all after 30+ years for a large audience who are familiar with the character through only a few throwaway lines over the last decade... that's probably not a bad deal.

Being replaced by a younger model... it's often the Doctor Who way. Be thankful Susan wouldn't be coming back as a man.
Michael_Eve
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Would seem a bit rude, though, for them to invite Carole Anne Ford back just for a regeneration.

"Hey, will you come back in series 9 so we can tell you to bog off and replace you with this new young actor?"”

Oh they could do more than that, a la Paul McGann. And don't think Carole acts much these days? (Nice cameo in AAISAT) Think she'd be delighted to be asked and would know what it would be like for the fans. Could be a moving scene, seeing Susan remembering her Grandfather, maybe she's just lost David, and she tells her Granddaughter, "This body is wearing a bit thin", and then......

Hang on! Getting a bit carried away here!

Actually, am I right in saying none of us know for certain whether Susan can regenerate or not? Pretty sure we don't! Imagine Big Finish might've addressed this?
Lewis Christian
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Thing is, if she's a totally new character, why is Moffett being so reticent about telling us the character's name or anything else about her.”

Because they're keeping things quiet, like normal. Standard stuff.
Lewis Christian
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“No. Because Carole Anne Ford is still alive.”

And, no disrespect to her, probably an even worse actress now than she was in the 60s.
Lewis Christian
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Would seem a bit rude, though, for them to invite Carole Anne Ford back just for a regeneration.

"Hey, will you come back in series 9 so we can tell you to bog off and replace you with this new young actor?"”

Uh, no. No. If it were to happen, it'd be more like: "Hey, would you like to come back as Susan for a brief cameo and regeneration scene so we can have a great fan moment and continue your character in a new direction?"
tiggerpooh
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by PoshEmoDork:
“I think it may be someone we have seen before but clara I dont think so But I think its going to be a time lord”

I too think she's been cast as someone we've seen before, but a different version of that person .Maybe River Song regenerated from Alex Kingston off-screen? Or even another Romana. Or the Rani, perhaps?

As has been said before, "Who knows?"
adams66
11-04-2015
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I'm not sure Moffett is over-enthusiastic about bringing back characters from Classic Who. Hence the reason we haven't seen The Rani, despite quite a few people hoping she'll turn up.”

I'm not sure Moffat's enthusiasm or otherwise for characters from the 1963-198 series has much to do with it. It's more that the Rani is a laughable character who, apart from a consistently vocal minority of obsessed fans, no-one gives a stuff about.

I loved the fact that Moffat completely wound these Rani obsessives up last season by having Michelle Gomez say she was a Random Access Neural Interface on an used take when he knew fans were filming and watching.
PoshEmoDork
11-04-2015
If we were to have the Rani I think it would be Peter Capaldi's age range just so it fitted better for the TV apperance but you never know i just think it would look a little odd having and a time lord with the appearance of an 18year challenge the Doctor the way the Rani would it would be odd :P But I'm sure it would work And Carol would love to see her character come back evan if she wasn't playing it I swear she has said she hasn't wanted that to happen is she knows it wouldn't be possible with her.
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