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Old 11-04-2015, 11:00
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I am looking at some of the new lumias that have been released, namely the 640 and 640xl.

But I am wondered if anyone know if there are likely to be some new phones released to coincide with the windows 10 release later this year?
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:27
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Yes, they have said that a new Flagship will be launched later in the year. Personally I'm not a fan of 'Flagship' phones, unless you are an advanced user, most of the extras will lay unused for the duration of ownership.
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Old 11-04-2015, 15:40
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Yes, they have said that a new Flagship will be launched later in the year. Personally I'm not a fan of 'Flagship' phones, unless you are an advanced user, most of the extras will lay unused for the duration of ownership.
MS do need a decent halo/flagship device, at the moment they literally have no such devices available in their range.

There are generally no useful features on the majority of such devices anyway - at least not on any of the Android devices on the market.

Incidentally, W10 seems to be running quite well on my 1020. With the caveat of the new camera application being completely and utterly useless - it obviously had no testing on the 1020.
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Old 11-04-2015, 16:08
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Yes it's been very poor from Windows phones. The last top end phone was the 930 over yr & half now. Lots of prospective buyers been lost and instead jumped to android or apple because of the lack of top phone window releases.
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Old 11-04-2015, 16:09
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Just updated to Windows 8.1 update 2. Trying that first before going for W10.
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Old 11-04-2015, 16:11
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Yes it's been very poor from Windows phones. The last top end phone was the 930 over yr & half now. Lots of prospective buyers been lost and instead jumped to android or apple because of the lack of top phone window releases.
What would a 'top end' phone do that can't be done now? Most people (not all) buy a ridiculously over priced handset just for bragging rights.
All of the phones will have W10 on them.
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Old 11-04-2015, 22:12
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Yes it's been very poor from Windows phones. The last top end phone was the 930 over yr & half now. Lots of prospective buyers been lost and instead jumped to android or apple because of the lack of top phone window releases.
1520 was arguably "higher" end than the 930, and by all accounts a pretty good device.

But there hasn't been a single real high end WP device. Ever. Although pretty much all of them, regardless of spec, run smoother than most Android devices - WP is just more efficient on that count.

I'd suggest that the reason for a lack of sales is down to marketing and placement in stores, along with a lot of people just sticking with what they know ("ooooh, don't want to learn a new device, that'll take ages", despite the reality being that it only takes a minute or two)
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Old 11-04-2015, 22:26
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1520 was arguably "higher" end than the 930, and by all accounts a pretty good device.

But there hasn't been a single real high end WP device. Ever. Although pretty much all of them, regardless of spec, run smoother than most Android devices - WP is just more efficient on that count.

I'd suggest that the reason for a lack of sales is down to marketing and placement in stores, along with a lot of people just sticking with what they know ("ooooh, don't want to learn a new device, that'll take ages", despite the reality being that it only takes a minute or two)
I would add the protracted absence of apps like banking apps, and things like SkyGo and Virgin TV Anywhere have done just as much damage.
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Old 11-04-2015, 22:33
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Dont get me wrong I love the Lumias, I have owned the 710, 620, 820, 920, 930 but at this stage of the game I think they are flogging a dead horse. They are getting no where and no one's interested,
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:41
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I would add the protracted absence of apps like banking apps, and things like SkyGo and Virgin TV Anywhere have done just as much damage.
Not so sure about SkyGo (I don't know anyone in the office using it, and I work at one of the UK mobile telcos), but the banking I can understand, massively less hassle than the browser based systems (I'm lucky that the Barclays app on WP is pretty good).

And of course SkyGo and Virgin TV are UK only - I don't know what equivalents would be available in other countries.

I haven't tried Spotify on WP (have it on my iPhone 4S), but that was apparently lagging behind the iOS and Android clients.

Have found IE on WP8.1 to be way better than both Chrome on Lollipop and Safari on iOS8, interface is at least for me considerably better as well. I just wish that they would do something about the abysmal camera startup time on the 1020.

Anyway, I'm now having the third update install - 8.1 update 2, then W10 (build 10051?) ... not sure what this latest update is going to bring. No doubt this is part of being on the "fast ring" updates.
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:54
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Hopefully not. I hate this thing windows is doing making a desktop OS something that is on a mobile as well. Windows 8 works on tablets very well. Its okay on PC it's usable to say the least. So to answer yes there will be but I don't know if they'll be directly linked maybe just a new generation with a different UI thats like windows 10.
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:55
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I would add the protracted absence of apps like banking apps, and things like SkyGo and Virgin TV Anywhere have done just as much damage.
Not so sure about SkyGo (I don't know anyone in the office using it, and I work at one of the UK mobile telcos), but the banking I can understand, massively less hassle than the browser based systems (I'm lucky that the Barclays app on WP is pretty good).

And of course SkyGo and Virgin TV are UK only - I don't know what equivalents would be available in other countries.

I haven't tried Spotify on WP (have it on my iPhone 4S), but that was apparently lagging behind the iOS and Android clients.

Have found IE on WP8.1 to be way better than both Chrome on Lollipop and Safari on iOS8, interface is at least for me considerably better as well. I just wish that they would do something about the abysmal camera startup time on the 1020.

Anyway, I'm now having the third update install - 8.1 update 2, then W10 (build 10051?) ... not sure what this latest update is going to bring. No doubt this is part of being on the "fast ring" updates.
Add to that the fact that some apps *coughBBCIPLAYERcough* are simply poor wrappers for their respective mobile sites, and so significantly lack features their Android / iOS counterparts have.
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:55
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Dont get me wrong I love the Lumias, I have owned the 710, 620, 820, 920, 930 but at this stage of the game I think they are flogging a dead horse. They are getting no where and no one's interested,
"no one" is definitely not the case ...
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:55
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Not so sure about SkyGo (I don't know anyone in the office using it, and I work at one of the UK mobile telcos), but the banking I can understand, massively less hassle than the browser based systems (I'm lucky that the Barclays app on WP is pretty good).

And of course SkyGo and Virgin TV are UK only - I don't know what equivalents would be available in other countries.
You do realise this is a UK board so UK apps are pretty relevant.

I'm pretty shocked you don't know a single person who uses either SkyGo or Virgin Anywhere, considering the number of customers they have between them, the chances of that are pretty low, do you work exclusively with the Amish? .

Until Windows Phone bucks up its ideas and has all the relevant apps it's always going to be a distant third and losing share to the big 2.
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:56
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Hopefully not. I hate this thing windows is doing making a desktop OS something that is on a mobile as well. Windows 8 works on tablets very well. Its okay on PC it's usable to say the least. So to answer yes there will be but I don't know if they'll be directly linked maybe just a new generation with a different UI thats like windows 10.
W8.1 on PCs runs rather well; on tablets it makes Android look a bit clunky.
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Old 11-04-2015, 23:58
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W8.1 on PCs runs rather well; on tablets it makes Android look a bit clunky.
Win 8.1 does run well, it also isn't handicapped by a lack of apps like the mobile version .
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Old 12-04-2015, 00:21
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The issue with WP in my view is that it offers nothing compelling over Android or iOS.

Want smoothness? iOS. Want customisability? Android. Every thing else is on par these days so what's WP exist for?

I'm not trying to start a fanwar I just cannot see the point in it.
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Old 12-04-2015, 00:30
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I am looking at some of the new lumias that have been released, namely the 640 and 640xl
There are now 33 current models listed as being able to run W10 Preview. Curiously, the new 640XL is not one of them.

Personally I have never understood the user-led demand for new models just for the sake of it with no significant advance in functionality and usability. Over ten years I have gone from 6230i to 5800 to 820 and see nothing new at the moment that would make me want to change again.
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Old 12-04-2015, 05:15
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The issue with WP in my view is that it offers nothing compelling over Android or iOS.

Want smoothness? iOS. Want customisability? Android. Every thing else is on par these days so what's WP exist for?

I'm not trying to start a fanwar I just cannot see the point in it.
I think you'll find it exists for people who don't want/got bored with Android/IOS. I've had all of them and so far the Lumia has been the better phone.
I'll concede the lack of some apps may put some people off. Personally I haven't missed any since moving. I don't have lot's of silly apps on the phone anymore, Android/IOS did get filled with rather pointless rubbish. As for banking, most of the majors are there except Santander.
I guess it's all personal taste and what you use your phone for, but, there is plenty of room for all three OS's
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Old 12-04-2015, 07:46
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The issue with WP in my view is that it offers nothing compelling over Android or iOS.

Want smoothness? iOS. Want customisability? Android. Every thing else is on par these days so what's WP exist for?

I'm not trying to start a fanwar I just cannot see the point in it.
What if you want smoothness and customisation options? iOS doesn't offer it, Android isn't smooth unless you get a high end device.

Choice is a good thing, and I'm glad there is another option other than Android or iOS.
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Old 12-04-2015, 09:43
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The OS has 12% market share in Europe and just 3.8% in the US, as much as I hate to say it, its going no where fast. I am wondering just how long it will be before MS pull the plug? And when it comes to apps Windows phone is the last though when it comes to devs who often just release sub par apps just to get something out there.
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Old 12-04-2015, 10:16
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With MS putting their apps on iOS and Android, I think even they're starting to admit that this OS is a dead-end.

I'm not sure if putting all their devices under one Windows 10 umbrella is the best idea either. As a sequel to Windows 8, I would think that a lot of people are going to be nervous about upgrading.

Windows 8 - what can I say about that OS.
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Old 12-04-2015, 10:25
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With MS putting their apps on iOS and Android, I think even they're starting to admit that this OS is a dead-end.

I'm not sure if putting all their devices under one Windows 10 umbrella is the best idea either. As a sequel to Windows 8, I would think that a lot of people are going to be nervous about upgrading.

Windows 8 - what can I say about that OS.
Agreed, and what worse is the iOS and Android versions are better than the WP versions
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Old 12-04-2015, 10:33
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With MS putting their apps on iOS and Android, I think even they're starting to admit that this OS is a dead-end.

I'm not sure if putting all their devices under one Windows 10 umbrella is the best idea either. As a sequel to Windows 8, I would think that a lot of people are going to be nervous about upgrading.

Windows 8 - what can I say about that OS.
With MS making their phones work with android apps, I suspect that will just increase their popularity as the phones are better..
As for W8....Catch up, that's so yesterday.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:16
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With MS making their phones work with android apps, I suspect that will just increase their popularity as the phones are better..
As for W8....Catch up, that's so yesterday.
W8 was a terrible OS, almost as bad as Vista but I'll keep my opinions out of the mobile section of the forum

I would love to see a Nokia phone running Android. In fact, I suspect if Nokia had gone with Android in the beginning, they'd still be around (I know they technically still are but not really).
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