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The Constant EE Complaints here
I see characters such as Kat, Carol, Max and Phil repeatedly called "stale" or claims they've "had their day".
DTC places them at the centre of the action and people complain. So he concentrates on the new members of the cast, the ones that are the current heart of the show 'The Carters' DTC is accused of over saturating the show with the Carters. People complain. We concentrate on Alfie or Kim and people complain that the characters are annoying and shouldn't be at the centre of the show. We concentrate on the market stall holders and we have complaints that these are 'secondary characters' and shouldn't have main storylines. I mean guys come on. How many hoops do they have to jump through to stop you complaining. Theres just no pleasing you. |
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People wouldn't complain if he did not neglect good actresses like Shona McGarty and Danielle Harold, while giving the same ones story after story.
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People wouldn't complain if he did not neglect good actresses like Shona McGarty and Danielle Harold, while giving the same ones story after story.
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You make a fair point. One man's meat is another man's poison I guess and people like to put their tuppence worth in. I think the current team aren't perfect by a long shot but there have been some good episodes since they arrived. |
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People wouldn't complain if he did not neglect good actresses like Shona McGarty and Danielle Harold, while giving the same ones story after story.
I don't mind a good moan myself, but generally the show is in a good place. Edit: I count myself fortunate that I love most of the characters, young and old alike. And I'm just as happy to watch the Moons as I am the Carters, Fox/Truman, Masoods, Donna, Carol etc. If people are only watching for one character or family they're going to spend a lot of time disappointed. |
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Oh they would. People used to complain that the teens were over used and that there were not enough oldies. DTC addressed the problem and people still complain.
I don't mind a good moan myself, but generally the show is in a good place. |
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I think the problem with DTC is he goes too far in the other direction instead of giving balance. The show is now more misery after misery. The show is completely ignoring the late teens early 20s characters. And the majority of the cast don't have a storyline and if they do it's being overshadowed by The Carters: First Family of Walford.
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I think the problem with DTC is he goes too far in the other direction instead of giving balance. The show is now more misery after misery. The show is completely ignoring the late teens early 20s characters. And the majority of the cast don't have a storyline and if they do it's being overshadowed by The Carters: First Family of Walford.
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I know that's a popular myth, but it's inaccurate. The Beales, Mitchells and Carters have dominated this last year, even the Cottons dominated for a while. Then there's the Brannings . DS loves it's self-perpetuating myths.
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I don't mind a good moan myself, but generally the show is in a good place. Edit: I count myself fortunate that I love most of the characters, young and old alike. And I'm just as happy to watch the Moons as I am the Carters, Fox/Truman, Masoods, Donna, Carol etc. If people are only watching for one character or family they're going to spend a lot of time disappointed. |
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I know that's a popular myth, but it's inaccurate. The Beales, Mitchells and Carters have dominated this last year, even the Cottons dominated for a while. Then there's the Brannings . DS loves it's self-perpetuating myths.
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Lola and Whitney Are definitely underused
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Maybe it's just EE that's rubbish at the moment
![]() I'm very off and on with it and there are a multitude of problems with it I'd say. The things that are mentioned here are probably part of that. Think about it, when people complain about Corrie EG it's not because of over or under use of characters so maybe they have a balance of that. They have a load of their own problems of course but maybe EE do get character representation and story telling wrong. |
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Maybe it's just EE that's rubbish at the moment
![]() I'm very off and on with it and there are a multitude of problems with it I'd say. The things that are mentioned here are probably part of that. Think about it, when people complain about Corrie EG it's not because of over or under use of characters so maybe they have a balance of that. They have a load of their own problems of course but maybe EE do get character representation and story telling wrong. |
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People are most definitely allowed to have an opinion and feel whatever they like about Eastenders, I've been the first to criticise some things that have happened in recent months but it seems like there's a small group of posters on here who claim to be Eastenders fans yet I've never once heard them have one single nice thing to say about the soap. If I watched every episode of Eastenders hating absolutely everything that goes on then eventually I would just give up and stop watching. It's kind of silly really. You can't please all of the people all of the time but it seems like there are a select few who watch Eastenders and never feel pleased
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Oh really? Do you have any numbers or statistics to back up your claims?
We know who had the big important s/ls last year, we know who were given the big 30th s/l and week, we know what we're watching. I |
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I know that's a popular myth, but it's inaccurate. The Beales, Mitchells and Carters have dominated this last year, even the Cottons dominated for a while. Then there's the Brannings . DS loves it's self-perpetuating myths.
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How will statistics help. Episode appearances ? Mick serving a pint? Tina serving a bacon buttie?
We know who had the big important s/ls last year, we know who were given the big 30th s/l and week, we know what we're watching. I Lucy Beale died on Good Friday. The storyline was hot for a while and then died out by summer - a summer dominated by the Carters. Autumn came and Linda got raped by Dean, which strung out to highly distasteful explosive Christmas revelations. The Lucy storyline came back into play and concluded on the Live Week with almost no reference since. Stan's death has also dominated and overshadowed Jim Branning's death. Mick and Linda appeared in the most episodes last year. Please explain how the Carter family haven't dominated? I know the Carters have their fans, but must you bury your head in the sand and pretend this family aren't the most overbearing, suffocating and self-obsessed family EastEnders have ever seen? |
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The Carters were brought into 'freshen' EastEnders up and make the show more exciting, but can you really call the show fresh and exciting right now? Every single storyline that DTC has done has been already covered at some point I think... It's silly.
I get there are fans of the Carters out there, but give me the thug and the weasel, over them any day. IMO, the only reason Kat, Phil, etc... Feel stale, is because it's the same old same old with them. DTC hasn't developed their characters at all. Phil has been shot, again. Kat has got drunk 10,000x, again. All that hard work that Loraine Newman put into Kat has been completely and utterly undone (It's not everyday you get Loraine Newman and hard work in the same sentence). The Carters also feel stale though and that's the thing. They've been on the show for what a year? How many storylines have they had? It's a joke. They've had probably 80% of the screen time and it's probably going to carry on and on and on. I wouldn't care one tiny bit if they left The Vic or the show tomorrow. The Vic was such an exciting place back in the day, that you wanted to go there yourself, but now it's dull, dull and dull, and nothing more than the Carters home. There's so structure to the place and they just randomly place a character in there when and as they please. There needs to be a better balance of screen time and the characterisation needs to improve and fast. A character can only be as good as their writing/direction, etc...Everyone is allowed an opinion and I wouldn't at people are moaning about DTC constantly. He's done the show a lot of good, but idk where he stands ATM, he very clearly hasn't planned the show properly after the 30th and they're just making everything up as they go along. The odd hyped up episodes, don't always deliver the hype. Yes, they're good and bring in the extra viewers, but what's the point, when we return to mediocrity the week after, for weeks on end? The show is up & down like a yo to and the characters are really suffering. You only have to look back on old episodes before 2012, to see how good the show can be. I've seen users claim DTC is the best EP the show has ever had, and if I've said that myself in the aftermath of the 30th anniversary, I do apologise and I take it back, as IF I have said that, I must have left the hype get to my head . He isn't the best EP the show has ever had at all. Santer and Yorke were much superior. The show needs to improve & I don't think it will for at least 6 months now, as summer is nearing. It is very upsetting . Personally, I don't think DTC has much more to offer us and should step down and go down as a great EP, who has helped the show achieve great heights, rather than an EP who will be remembered for letting the show go stale, after the 30th.
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I don't know what you've been watching.
Lucy Beale died on Good Friday. The storyline was hot for a while and then died out by summer - a summer dominated by the Carters. Autumn came and Linda got raped by Dean, which strung out to highly distasteful explosive Christmas revelations. The Lucy storyline came back into play and concluded on the Live Week. Stan's death has also dominated and overshadowed Jim Branning's death. Mick and Linda appeared in the most episodes last year. Please explain how the Carter family haven't dominated? |
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I don't know what you've been watching.
Lucy Beale died on Good Friday. The storyline was hot for a while and then died out by summer - a summer dominated by the Carters. Autumn came and Linda got raped by Dean, which strung out to highly distasteful explosive Christmas revelations. The Lucy storyline came back into play and concluded on the Live Week with almost no reference since. Stan's death has also dominated and overshadowed Jim Branning's death. Mick and Linda appeared in the most episodes last year. Please explain how the Carter family haven't dominated? I know the Carters have their fans, but must you bury your head in the sand and pretend this family aren't the most overbearing, suffocating and self-obsessed family EastEnders have ever seen? Now, compare that to the gripping 'Who killed Archie?' Plot, which was there for 99% of the episodes leading up to the 25th, including the shows most iconic characters. |
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I remember the summer being dominated by Sharon's attack, her revenge, Phil's revenge and their wedding.
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That's a matter of perception. I remember Sharon having her attack week, that one brilliant episode with Marcus, then fading out again with the odd scene until that ridiculously written wedding in the Autumn.
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That's a matter of perception. I remember Sharon having her attack week, that one brilliant episode with Marcus, then fading out again with the odd scene until that ridiculously written wedding in the Autumn. I wouldn't say she dominated at all.
the summer was pretty rubbish all round from what I recall.I remember Phil sulking, confessing his involvement in Dennis's death, the attack and aftermath, Sharon finding out and getting the gun, her agoraphobia, meetings with MC, Phil finding out, his revenge, Ben's return, Peggy episode, Ronnie's return. I'm not saying it was good, but it was all happening. |
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I loved the wedding episodes. Full of drama! However, it was a bit odd, as it was supposed to be all about Sharon's revenge, but it did feel like they just made it up as they go along (Which doesn't surprise me).
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(It's not everyday you get Loraine Newman and hard work in the same sentence). The Carters also feel stale though and that's the thing. They've been on the show for what a year? How many storylines have they had? It's a joke. They've had probably 80% of the screen time and it's probably going to carry on and on and on. I wouldn't care one tiny bit if they left The Vic or the show tomorrow. The Vic was such an exciting place back in the day, that you wanted to go there yourself, but now it's dull, dull and dull, and nothing more than the Carters home. There's so structure to the place and they just randomly place a character in there when and as they please. There needs to be a better balance of screen time and the characterisation needs to improve and fast. A character can only be as good as their writing/direction, etc...