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Given they are based on his family, does DTC show an bias towards Carters? |
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Given they are based on his family, does DTC show an bias towards Carters?
Or more specifically, does this bias come at the expense of the other characters in the show?
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It's been The Carter Show for the past year and a half so, yes.
If they aren't having the story of the week, a Carter will be shoved into somebody else's' story of the week. |
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Of course he does but he has turned the show around don't forget.
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The one thing that hurts other characters he introduced is that they were all packed into that "quiet week" so it's no wonder some viewers see them as boring, when even the EP wasn't bothered to develop them before that. That said, Donna and Kush became better rounded characters after those episodes and with Claudette (and soon Carmel Kazemi) coming in, it helps them put down some roots on the Square. Charlie, and previously Emma and Tosh are the main non-Carter introductions who have been used pretty extensively.
I can't see how Shirley was based on one of his relatives as she was introduced in 2006. Ditto Carly, Deano and Zsa Zsa. Not sure if I'd say biased, rather there's something a bit creepy about it at times. I'd have gone nuts if I had relatives like Babe (apart from the trifles) and Sylvie. |
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I think DTC is biased towards Mick and Linda. And Johnny when he was there. He said Mick and Linda were based on his own parents and Johnny on him. His twitter at times can feel like a homage to Mick and Linda (and Sharon) and you can tell that he LOVES them. He even said that he could watch a whole episode of just Mick, Linda and Elaine at a table, talking and therein lies part of the problem. And he does seem to go out of his way to portray Mick and Linda in the best possible light. The other Carters, I think are viewed more objectively - like Shirley, Babe, Stan, Nancy, Tina...
In all honesty I think the issue with the Carters could easily be solved. It feels like they are dominating because they are always tied together as one unit - aside from Shirley, who is an already established character that works well with numerous other characters in the square. If they spaced the Carters out and integrated them within the square more then I think it would feel less like 'the Carter show' - as others have now deemed it. (that is if tptb see it as an issue).Their stories are very much family orientated with even Linda's rapist being a family member! No other characters have really been needed within their stories and that is what the Carters need, interaction with other characters. Though if they did, I imagine everyone's favourite word 'shoehorned' would come in to play. The Beales have also dominated with the Lucy Beale plot but where 'who killed Lucy Beale?' involved so many characters and almost the entire cast at some stage, it doesn't feel as though they have dominated, whereas in actual fact, the Beales have been a huge presence and this is set to continue with the return of Kathy. The Carters had Christmas, Mitchells had New Year and the Beales had the 30th. |
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Anything is better than the constant trying to make Sonia , and now Martin as well , interesting.......
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The Carters are nearly always at the top of the credits when the episode spoilers are released on the official website.
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Too biased. It's a poor trait of any EP of a televison show. I have seen this done so many times on loads of shows and it's brought the shows down to their knees in a poor way. Julian Fellowes has done this on Downton Abbey.
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Yes. Next question please?
I honestly think he should be made assistant rather then top producer. He can't stay as I can no longer take the show being 90% carters and everything else rotated with the remaining 10%. |
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yes, he seems to try and shoe horn them into every possible storyline that he can - regardless of whether they are needed or not
Its been Carter-Central since they arrived on the Square and its beyond boring now |
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I think DTC is biased towards Mick and Linda. And Johnny when he was there. He said Mick and Linda were based on his own parents and Johnny on him. His twitter at times can feel like a homage to Mick and Linda (and Sharon) and you can tell that he LOVES them. He even said that he could watch a whole episode of just Mick, Linda and Elaine at a table, talking and therein lies part of the problem. And he does seem to go out of his way to portray Mick and Linda in the best possible light. The other Carters, I think are viewed more objectively - like Shirley, Babe, Stan, Nancy, Tina...
In all honesty I think the issue with the Carters could easily be solved. It feels like they are dominating because they are always tied together as one unit - aside from Shirley, who is an already established character that works well with numerous other characters in the square. If they spaced the Carters out and integrated them within the square more then I think it would feel less like 'the Carter show' - as others have now deemed it. (that is if tptb see it as an issue).Their stories are very much family orientated with even Linda's rapist being a family member! No other characters have really been needed within their stories and that is what the Carters need, interaction with other characters. Though if they did, I imagine everyone's favourite word 'shoehorned' would come in to play. The Beales have also dominated with the Lucy Beale plot but where 'who killed Lucy Beale?' involved so many characters and almost the entire cast at some stage, it doesn't feel as though they have dominated, whereas in actual fact, the Beales have been a huge presence and this is set to continue with the return of Kathy. The Carters had Christmas, Mitchells had New Year and the Beales had the 30th. |
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The thing is its been about Mick, Linda, Stan, Shirley and Babe.
Lee and Nancy have had zero development as characters. |
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They should rename DS as DC.
Digital Carters.
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Put it this way I don't think we've ever had a family dominate so much. The Mitchell's were NEVER overused as much as the Carters are. The Branning's may have been, but I found them slightly more watchable them the Carters anyway. EastEnders is the Carter show these days and if you don't like that then tough, because as long as DTC is EP, it won't stop.
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yes, he seems to try and shoe horn them into every possible storyline that he can - regardless of whether they are needed or not
Its been Carter-Central since they arrived on the Square and its beyond boring now • Who killed Lucy. • Sharon's 'revenge'. • The Slater's house fire fire. • Shabnam's secret. • Ian & Rainie. I find it ridiculous. What next? They're hiding Kathy in the pub cellar? .
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To be fair a lot of EP's have their favs. John Yorke = Slaters
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To be fair a lot of EP's have their favs. John Yorke = Slaters
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It's a sad reality. A lot of the storylines the Carters have had could've been given to other characters, but DTC by default hands the storylines straight to the Carters.
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It's a sad reality. A lot of the storylines the Carters have had could've been given to other characters, but DTC by default hands the storylines straight to the Carters.
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I'm going off them, because they are put to the forefront when other key characters are pushed to the sidelines - It's a DISGRACE
Regards Pearl |
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I don't think it is fair to paint all the Carters with one brush. Mick and Linda are at the center of the family and have features in numerous stories, as well as being integral parts in the Carter storylines too. I would say that Tina, Shirley, Nancy, Lee and Babe have been used fine, aside from Lee they have connections outside the family and don't feel overused to me.
The repetitiveness of the rape story/rehashed scenes probably worsens this view. Though having said this, the constant threads about it are more tiresome... |
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and we got more family arguments to come after Stan's death (oh joy) and more Carter secrets (oh joy).
There storylines get close scrutiny and sometimes episodes that follow a day of the Carters for the entire week. Even Stan's funeral death and funeral drag on for days so they can explore every Carter angle. Whereas other storylines are filled in the gaps or ignored or rushed. They never seem to go away. Also, they appear in other people's storylines too just to stick their beak in. I laughed at Mick telling the cops to lay off Alfie and Kat like he was the lord mayor of Walford. People always use the argument, they are in the pub so will get plenty of coverage. This is true to a point but Peggy, Phil, Ronnie, Kat and Alfie (second stint) where never nowhere near in the amount of episodes that Linda and Mick and Shirley have been in last year. It's ridiculous. I swear DTC keeps giving them duff duffs so they can all be top 10 the next time EE does a greatest cliffhangers show in 2025! |
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He's obsessed with Mick, Linda and Shirley.' Last year, Shirley was shoehorned into other people's storylines. Eg: Sharon's attack week, Sharon's revenge, Sharon and Phil's wedding, etc. Mick and Linda are the worst.
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It would be nice if DTC agreed to do a Q & A with digital spy about his plans for the rest of the year, we all have lots of questions to ask him.
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I actually prefer EE when the Carters are in the back seat. The weeks were they are the main focus are not that interesting for me. Mainly because Shirley and Dean are two of the most selfish characters EE have ever had and I find it hard to believe in their woes.
I can't wait until he leaves tbh so a new guy can take the show away from them. |
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