I am afraid that you are right and imo it would be overkill and just ridiculous. We already had the Shirley/Mick situation and that was more than enough.

I can't abide Babe (or Sylvie) and they are both still hanging around like a bad smell so a big reveal must be on it's way....

It's just too much on top of everything else.

Babe, shirley,Sylvie, buster, dean need a good kicking

Keep mick,linda, Lee, Nancy, and Elaine as the basic family

Shoot the rest

She's not old enough to be Shirley's mother , not unless she had her when she was about 12! Shirley's in her 50's and Babe only looks in her mid 60's to me, whereas Stan was about 80, a big age gap between him and Babe, so don't believe for a minute she coud be Shirley's mother!

I'm very much the opposite. Babe, Shirley, Sylvie and Buster are my favourites, I think they are the most interesting.

I don't mind Mick and Tina.

Not sure on Linda, Nancy, Lee and Elaine but I prefer Linda and Nancy to Lee and Elaine.

Miss Stan, already!

I don't think Babe is Shirley's mum, I think Babe just muscled in on the family and tried to take over that role. DTC said that Linda Marlowe was in his head as Shirley's mum ever since Shirley first arrived.

I hope not. I'm fed up of all the Carter stories as it is without ANOTHER family secret thrown in to the mix.

I bloody hope not

It gave me the impression though that Babe and Stan never got any close though. Her love for him wasn't mutual and he hated her guts anyway. So unless she drugged and raped him, i don't see how Shirley could be hers.

Stan could not be her father either, though. Or he could have had a drunken one night stand with Babe or something, maybe part of the reason he hates her is regret for that. I hope Babe isn't Shirley's mum of course, it'd be ridiculous, but Stan hating Babe wouldn't necessarily mean she couldn't be.

I think Stan may have been so drunk he can't (or couldn't) remember it. Babe was only about 16 when she met him I think and had a huge crush on him but he fell for Sylvie the first time he saw her. I wouldn't put it past Babe to seduce Stan when he was totally bladdered but doing another baby mother switch on Stan seems just plain out there!

Is it the physical resemblance? LOL

Sylvie remembers having Shirley and Tina. Not Mick. If Shirley wasn't hers, she wouldn't have remembered this.

That is true but I wouldn't put it past DTC to do a retcon on it.

They obviously have some big secret reveal coming up and I can't think what else would have such a big impact.

Apparently from spoilers the reveal is something that would get both Babe and Sylvie in trouble with the police and 'if Babe goes down, Sylvie is going with her' so I don't think Babe is Shirley's muvva.

The mind boggles!!

Maybe Sylvie's first baby died and Babe stole another baby for her to take home and Shirley isn't a Carter at all

I love the Carters but this would be brilliant!

It would be ridiculous if they did that now. Instead they should have made Shirley, Tina or Mick one of Babes children she had after an affair with Stan - that's the reason the mum really left. Better then this utter rubbish thrown down our throats every chance they get.

That really would have been much better.

I like the Mick/Shirley twist.