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Eccleston left because they wanted him to....
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Glenn Reuben
15-04-2015
Why do we keep going back to this over and over again? Storm in a tea cup or what?

Eccleston seems nice to me. I understand what he says about class and why he wants to talk about Safe House, not previous work.

I would still like to know why he didn't do the 50th (not from Moffat, from Eccleston himself), but he doesn't have to talk about it. I have my suspicions, but they're mine alone.

I'd love to meet him.
Face Of Jack
15-04-2015
I loved Chris as the new Doctor. He did a brilliant job in revitalising the role. I was sorry when he left - I thought that would be 'the end' for the series (AGAIN!).
Thanks to David Tennant, the show reached new heights.
I'm just disappointed that Chris does not want to talk about DW to anyone. He didn't even feature in any of the commentaries on the DVD's.
He never appeared properly in any of the 50th anniversary specials either.
I wonder if he'll ever be asked to appear on The Jonathan Ross Show? (jonathan is a true fan - and wont resist asking about Who!)
sebbie3000
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by ukgnome:
“I think you guys as well as the press have missed what he actually said and are making it up.

I will paraphrase to keep it simpler - I did my usual northern accent as I don't think have a posh voice is needed for almost everything I do. You don't have to be posh as an actor. You can use your own accent if you like.

*and lets not forget that RTD had the "lots of planets...." line , you guys are familiar with RTD and how he directs, writes and produces right?”

Yes.

I even referenced that quite a while ago in this very thread.
sebbie3000
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“No he doesn't. Being interviewed by the press IS a part of his job and hanging up on the journalist was just unprofessional.”

Even if it is part of his contract (which in some cases it is), then it is only to do with the show he is currently filming/promoting.

When interviewers are specifically requested to not talk about a subject, then they do despite that, they are being unprofessional. And the interviewee is perfectly within their rights to terminate the interview. I don't see how you don't get that? Clearly your bias is colouring your view.
sebbie3000
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by joe_000:
“Is the best person always Caucasian then? 😏”

No. I don't believe Freem/Martha was caucasian.

Out of the four main companions, a quarter was non-white, and another quarter was non-young.

Not bad going so far.
Hestia
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dogmatix:
“Ah, but for southerners, the North starts at the Watford gap and goes on to the Scottish border, but no further. North of the border is not the North; it's Scotland. Scotland may be north of the North, but it is not part of the North.

If it can be argued that lots of planets have a North, then surely it can also be argued that lots of planets have Highlands. And Valleys, come to that. Time for a Welsh Doctor?”

Where on earth did you get that idea? I'm a southerner and the idea that we believe that north starts way up at the service station on M1 is completely and utterly slanderous. North starts at London.
Lewis Christian
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“[snip]

I believe he has also said he only took on the role because Russell T Davies was writing the show. He didn't care about the show or the role he was taking on, only the fact RTD was behind it.”

Oh for heaven's sake. Stop with the ignorant nonsense DB.
Lewis Christian
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Yeah right, it was probably a interview from 2005.”

No, it was a recent thing he talked about. Just like the proposal he did - which you seem to think was a lookalike. I love how you just totally ignore facts and things that have happened. You seriously know what you're saying!? Funny stuff.
Lewis Christian
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by adams66:
“He owes us nothing, the fans have absolutely no right to demand his attention, and to do so is grossly insulting. CE has not insulted fandom at all, it is fans like you who have completely unfairly insulted him.”

Dare I say it's this slightly uglier side of some of the fandom he probably wants to avoid. Irritated by journalists repeatedly asking him Who questions when he's said he wants to move on (and that he usually wants to promote his newest venture), and then you get guys like DB here throwing hatred his way and throwing their toys out the pram. God, if he wants to avoid Doctor Who at times, can't say I blame him!

And you're dead right - he owes us and the show nothing.
Simon_Foston
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Yeah right, it was probably a interview from 2005.”

No, yesterday.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-...to-be-northern
joe_000
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“No. I don't believe Freem/Martha was caucasian.

Out of the four main companions, a quarter was non-white, and another quarter was non-young.

Not bad going so far.”

FYI When you're analysing data you look at a larger sample than 4. Maybe all companions in the last 50 years would give a true picture.
Pizzatheaction
15-04-2015
I don't think we'll ever be certain why he left, and it probably isn't an easy thing to articulate, even ten years on, but he should be very proud of his time on Doctor Who, and he'll always be remembered for it.
TEDR
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Hestia:
“Where on earth did you get that idea? I'm a southerner and the idea that we believe that north starts way up at the service station on M1 is completely and utterly slanderous. North starts at London.”

I prefer to determine which areas are the north by reference to a density plot of chip butty consumption.
LightMeUp
15-04-2015
I've been away from this forum for two weeks. Come back, see this argument happening again. Hate myself a little.

People. Get. Over. It.
tiggerpooh
15-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dogmatix:
“If it can be argued that lots of planets have a North, then surely it can also be argued that lots of planets have Highlands. And Valleys, come to that. Time for a Welsh Doctor?”

How about this person then?

http://kaiowen.com/images/KaiOwenProfile_.jpg

Not only can this person act, he's quite good looking too! Just look at his eyes.
Corwin
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by tiggerpooh:
“How about this person then?

http://kaiowen.com/images/KaiOwenProfile_.jpg

Not only can this person act, he's quite good looking too! Just look at his eyes.”

That will confuse Captain Jack if he ever meets up with the Doctor again.
sebbie3000
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by joe_000:
“FYI When you're analysing data you look at a larger sample than 4. Maybe all companions in the last 50 years would give a true picture.”

Why? It wouldn't give a true picture. The whole of society has changed since then. Using the full 50 year sample wouldn't be representative. The original series was written with a very different TV making position in mind. Production was very different then. It wouldn't be exactly comparable.

I purposely used only the four companions of the new series, as they are the main characters in the reboot - in a time when it is perceived to be more inclusive.
thebestnamesgon
16-04-2015
Crikey, I'll admit CE can be a bit up himself regarding his profession but to my knowledge he's not contradicted himself regarding the role.

If the internet were here in 1983 for the Five Doctors, how trolled would Tom Baker be ?...

If accounts at the time are correct, Tom loved the role and was/still always appreciative to fans, but didn't appear because his role wasn't big enough.

CE's non-appearance seems rather comparative too. He met to discuss the role but for reasons unknown refused - (conjecture : Role wasn't big enough, script conflicted with his original portrayal of the character).

One man is not big enough to carry the special, and I'm not saying CE thought he was and his "requests" fell upon deaf ears for a script re-write. I didn't miss him in it, and wasn't bothered about his lack of contribution to any of the special events surrounding the programme.

I think it's more interesting hearing the (off-camera) bitterness of certain principal Who actors who complained about their lack of presence in the special, and their bitterness towards Tom Baker who was.
Alrightmate
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“No he doesn't. Being interviewed by the press IS a part of his job and hanging up on the journalist was just unprofessional.”

No it isn't. As I said, he left Doctor Who 10 years ago. That's when his contract with the show finished. There is no professional obligation on his part to answer any questions about Doctor Who.
thebestnamesgon
16-04-2015
That's correct, though being realistic - Sadly (for him) he should expect such questions for a very, very, very, very, very long time ! It is not going to go away and other cult actors (begrudgingly) embrace or put up with it.

It's up to him how to respond to a question not regarding his Dr Who role, he appears content to ignore (and positively ensure the interviewer is aware of his stance prior to interview) any such questions. That's fine, he's their to promote his *new* stuff, though I think he should try to deflect the question in a positive way. i.e.;

"Do you think Peter Capaldi's doing a great job as Dr Who" ?

CE : "They all do a great job <pause> you know that Dr Who role is very similar to my current role/similar to a character in my latest film/it's always great to play a grounded character than a time lord, such as my latest role......"

You get the picture. CE seems to highlight these events through his somewhat reluctance to quickly respond and smartly bring the question into an answer he wants to respond, or maybe he just cant be arsed ! Either way, who cares.
Dalekbuster523
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Being interviewed by the press is part of THIS job. Being interviewed about Doctor Who is part of an EARLIER job. Professionalism is knowing the difference.

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Would you call it professional to hang up on the phone on someone who's just trying to do her job?
sebbie3000
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Would you call it professional to hang up on the phone on someone who's just trying to do her job?”

Would you call it professional ignoring your interviewee and asking questions that were specifically requested not to be approached?
IWasBored
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Does it? Did all the children from your comprehensive get the same opportunities? Proportionally, did as many of them go to university as, say, from a top private school? How many of the private school kids went on to become top CEOs, compared to those from your school?

It's like saying, "I'm a woman in engineering, so obviously there's no bias against women in engineering."

Privilege is a matter of degree, not absolutes. It's nice to think that one's progress is solely down to their own motivation, but the fact remains that other people's choices are every bit as significant. You worked hard for what you have, and you were lucky that no significant barriers were put in your way, which is great. Not everyone is so lucky.”

Most of my pals went to university, and most of them went to state run schools. The ones that didn't never wanted to. When I made a joke to my mate about being the new CEO of tesco's, she said that she couldn't think of anything more boring. Not everyone wants to be a CEO, prime minister, politician, go to university or even stay on at college, that does not make them thick. It had on the local news about a new technological college opening in Bristol whereby even academically bright youngsters want to train to go into building, mechanics, etc. One of my most intelligent friends even carried out an IQ test out of curiosity and she has an IQ of 116.

The cream always rises to the top

Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mendela knew that were all equal to the white man, why can't people know that they are equal to the rich man?
IWasBored
16-04-2015
How does DB know for sure that he was not 'attacked'? No one knows for sure.
andy1231
16-04-2015
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Exactly - CE may well have said something about his accent being a little contentious, but I'd be willing to bet good money that he never actually said that the production team wanted to make him drop his accent.
The Daily Mail will have twisted, exaggerated and distorted his actual words to fit their hateful, hate-filled agenda. The Mail is perhaps the nastiest of the UK tabloids. And that's saying something.”

Ahh anothe Mail hater. Love it that a daily newspaper can inspire so much venom in some people. Why do people who slag off the Mail read it ? I presume they must read it as they seem to know what the content is. I can never understand why anyone reads something or watches something that they hate, other than to tell others how much they hate it !
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