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Wikileaks 'reveals Doctor Who film plans'
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be more pacific
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Richard Hurdnall did.”

Well, he was a hardly-known jobbing actor. And his performance wasn't really an impersonation of Hartnell.

David Bradley is a distinctive actor in his own right. Not the sort of guy who would just copy someone else. Could you imagine Daniel Craig being instructed to do an impersonation of Sean Connery?

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“It IS about looks, though. It's always about looks with this argument. I don't think what they look like now matters; there's plenty of explanations already introduced in the series for aged Doctors now anyway.

Not sure what you were watching but in the Day of the Doctor I saw at the cinema, Tom Baker showed no signs of struggling to walk.”

He needed a stick! The guy is 81 now and it will take years to get a film into production.

Besides which, how many aged actors could be the leading man in a genre film, these days? Not many. Maybe Sir Ian McKellan or John Hurt. Possibly Patrick Stewart. But Sylvester McCoy? No, just NO!
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“If a movie can be made based on LEGO, then a film could also be made based on a 10 second clip of Christopher Eccleston running away from a fire ball. They could either make it a Doctor-lite movie with Billie Piper in the majority of it as Rose or just do without a 9th Doctor solo film and use the archive clip in the team-up film.”

Totally illogical. LEGO is much more adaptable than a few seconds of a man running down a corridor.

Also, Eccleston's footage was shot as part of his TV contract with BBC Wales in 2004-2005. If BBC Studios, a different company, wants to build a story around that footage, they would have to seek his permission for its use.
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Easy solution: film the oldest actors' parts first.”

Shoot several sequels including parts of the fourteenth (or later) film before seeing the box office takings for the first one? No, the film industry doesn't work like that.

Can you name one instance where parts of the fourth film (never mind the fourteenth) were filmed before the first one was released? Not including non-chronological series such as Star Wars.
adams66
18-04-2015
And the award for the dopiest post of the thread goes to....

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“If a movie can be made based on LEGO, then a film could also be made based on a 10 second clip of Christopher Eccleston running away from a fire ball.”

Dalekbuster523
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“ Could you imagine Daniel Craig being instructed to do an impersonation of Sean Connery?”

Well, at least it would have made James Bond a little bit more believable...


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“He needed a stick! The guy is 81 now and it will take years to get a film into production.”

How do we not know the stick wasn't simply just a prop to create the image of a stereotypical museum curator?

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“Besides which, how many aged actors could be the leading man in a genre film, these days? Not many. Maybe Sir Ian McKellan or John Hurt. Possibly Patrick Stewart. But Sylvester McCoy? No, just NO!”

Tom Baker could be a leading man in a movie in his sleep, Peter Davison is still a household name so would likely be a popular choice with a movie company, Colin Baker would perhaps struggle a little bit but would probably have the gravitas to pull it off and Sylvester McCoy has already appeared in The Hobbit movies anyway so is familiar enough with audiences.
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“Totally illogical. LEGO is much more adaptable than a few seconds of a man running down a corridor.”

LEGO had absolutely no defined characters (unless you count licensed and videogame characters) before The LEGO Movie. At least that 10 second clip has a defined character.

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“Also, Eccleston's footage was shot as part of his TV contract with BBC Wales in 2004-2005. If BBC Studios, a different company, wants to build a story around that footage, they would have to seek his permission for its use.”

That wouldn't exactly be hard. It's still the BBC.

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“Shoot several sequels including parts of the fourteenth (or later) film before seeing the box office takings for the first one? No, the film industry doesn't work like that.”

I think a lot of people would be shocked if it wasn't a success. A Doctor Who movie would have the potential to rival Star Wars in terms of success.

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“Can you name one instance where parts of the fourth film (never mind the fourteenth) were filmed before the first one was released?”

Nope but let's not forget movies are often shot back-to-back and there's plenty of times in the history of film where new ideas of how to shoot a movie have been attempted. One example being Les Miserables; the first movie musical to do the singing live.
saladfingers81
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by adams66:
“And the award for the dopiest post of the thread goes to....”

Just this thread?
adams66
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Well, at least it would have made James Bond a little bit more believable...



How do we not know the stick wasn't simply just a prop to create the image of a stereotypical museum curator?


Tom Baker could be a leading man in a movie in his sleep, Peter Davison is still a household name so would likely be a popular choice with a movie company, Colin Baker would perhaps struggle a little bit but would probably have the gravitas to pull it off and Sylvester McCoy has already appeared in The Hobbit movies anyway so is familiar enough with audiences.

LEGO had absolutely no defined characters (unless you count licensed and videogame characters) before The LEGO Movie. At least that 10 second clip has a defined character.


That wouldn't exactly be hard. It's still the BBC.


I think a lot of people would be shocked if it wasn't a success. A Doctor Who movie would have the potential to rival Star Wars in terms of success.


Nope but let's not forget movies are often shot back-to-back and there's plenty of times in the history of film where new ideas of how to shoot a movie have been attempted. One example being Les Miserables; the first movie musical to do the singing live.”

OK, I'll bite.
I'm curious, genuinely curious, do you actually believe all this stuff that you're writing?

I mean, do you genuinely think that the Bond movies would somehow be more believable if all the actors playing Bond had attempted a Connery impersonation?
Do you genuinely believe that workable, marketable film can be based around a 10 second clip of the Ninth Doctor running away from a fireball?
Really??

Or are you just trying, and succeeding admirably, to wind this forum up?
be more pacific
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Well, at least it would have made James Bond a little bit more believable...”

Given some of the strange things you believe (such as nasty Eccleston's nice doppleganger), that doesn't mean much.
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“How do we not know the stick wasn't simply just a prop to create the image of a stereotypical museum curator?”

So Tom Baker attended Buckingham Palace playing a stereotypical museum curator? If he was going to make an appearance in-character, I would expect the old hat and scarf would be the standard props.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...am-Palace.html
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Tom Baker could be a leading man in a movie in his sleep, Peter Davison is still a household name so would likely be a popular choice with a movie company, Colin Baker would perhaps struggle a little bit but would probably have the gravitas to pull it off and Sylvester McCoy has already appeared in The Hobbit movies anyway so is familiar enough with audiences.”

Name one blockbuster film with Baker, Davison, Baker or McCoy in the lead role?
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“LEGO had absolutely no defined characters (unless you count licensed and videogame characters) before The LEGO Movie. At least that 10 second clip has a defined character.”

Which is why The LEGO Movie could be built from scratch.

If you want an example of a movie with the "lead" actor's performance consisting of a few non-speaking moments of stock footage, look at Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space. Didn't that work well?
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“That wouldn't exactly be hard. It's still the BBC.”

The permission would need to come from Eccleston himself. Do you think he would be happy to put his name to a Plan 9-style mess?
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“I think a lot of people would be shocked if it wasn't a success. A Doctor Who movie would have the potential to rival Star Wars in terms of success.”

Cinematic success is far from guaranteed. Particularly if they went with your barmy idea to go with aged actors who are little-known outside the UK.
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Nope but let's not forget movies are often shot back-to-back and there's plenty of times in the history of film where new ideas of how to shoot a movie have been attempted. One example being Les Miserables; the first movie musical to do the singing live.”

A commitment for 14+ movies? Jog on!
Michael_Eve
18-04-2015
Plan 9 From Outer Space is a much misunderstood avant garde classic, I'll have you know!
Dalekbuster523
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by adams66:
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I mean, do you genuinely think that the Bond movies would somehow be more believable if all the actors playing Bond had attempted a Connery impersonation?”

Only a tiny bit more believable. It would only be 100% believable IMO if either they stated 'James Bond 007' is a codename which is why each James Bond looks and acts different or if Sean Connery had always been and still was playing James Bond.

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“Do you genuinely believe that workable, marketable film can be based around a 10 second clip of the Ninth Doctor running away from a fireball?”

They're making a film on bloody Play-Doh! Of course it's possible.
Dalekbuster523
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“

Name one blockbuster film with Baker, Davison, Baker or McCoy in the lead role?
”

Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean it can't. Three out of the four have the ability to pull off being a lead actor in a film IMO.

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“Which is why The LEGO Movie could be built from scratch.”

So could a narrative formed around a 10-second clip of a northern Time Lord from Gallifrey.

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“The permission would need to come from Eccleston himself. Do you think he would be happy to put his name to a Plan 9-style mess?”

Well, they managed to use archive footage of him in Day of the Doctor.
be more pacific
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“So could a narrative formed around a 10-second clip of a northern Time Lord from Gallifrey.

Well, they managed to use archive footage of him in Day of the Doctor.”

Moffat was careful not to make it appear that Eccleston had shown up to shoot new material for Day of the Doctor. Which is why the regeneration cuts off just as Eccleston's face is becoming clear.

“It was one thing to include [Eccleston] among all the other archive Doctors, as they flew in to save the day -- in fact, it would have been disgraceful to have left anyone out -- but placing him in that [regeneration] scene might have given the impression he’d actually turned up for filming, which would have been crossing the line."
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-...tion-62935.htm

Also, Eccleston's contract was with BBC Wales. If BBC Films or BBC Studios wanted to use footage, a new contract would have to be negotiated with the actor himself.

Besides which, it's utterly bonkers to think that a movie could be built around a few seconds of non-speaking footage. The only example of that being done with a well-known actor is Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 from Outer Space.
adams66
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“Well, they managed to use archive footage of him in Day of the Doctor.”

That was a couple of seconds!
You are genuinely suggesting that a whole film could be built around a few seconds of archive film? You really are taking the p..s aren't you?
If you are actually serious I'd suggest having a wee look at how films are actually made so you can appreciate how far from reality your suggestion actually is....
be more pacific
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by adams66:
“That was a couple of seconds!
You are genuinely suggesting that a whole film could be built around a few seconds of archive film? You really are taking the p..s aren't you?
If you are actually serious I'd suggest having a wee look at how films are actually made so you can appreciate how far from reality your suggestion actually is....”

And not how films were made by Ed Wood.
Abomination
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Or are you just trying, and succeeding admirably, to wind this forum up?”

You'd like to call it trolling, wouldn't you? But the sad truth is that not even a troll makes this much effort to string a thread along... this is all just derailing, pathetic stupidity.

I swear I actually lost some brain cells as a result of reading the last page or two.
Lewis Christian
18-04-2015
I'm in tears of laughter from reading this thread. Great work, DB, keep it up.

Maybe the film could be the emotional journey of the fireball, misunderstood to be evil, but which actually happens to be the last of its kind, after the rest of the fireballs were destroyed in the Time War.
Abomination
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Lewis Christian:
“I'm in tears of laughter from reading this thread. Great work, DB, keep it up.

Maybe the film could be the emotional journey of the fireball, misunderstood to be evil, but which actually happens to be the last of its kind, after the rest of the fireballs were destroyed in the Time War.”

Imagine the story arcs they could have in each of the films leading up to this fireball revelation..

Burned Wolf
Torched Wood.
He Will Burn Four Times.

This stuff writes itself, oh why haven't we got a movie already?!
Lewis Christian
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Imagine the story arcs they could have in each of the films leading up to this fireball revelation..

Burned Wolf
Torched Wood.
He Will Burn Four Times.

This stuff writes itself, oh why haven't we got a movie already?! ”

This is now the only potential Doctor Who film I'd ever be interested in.
Michael_Eve
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“And not how films were made by Ed Wood.”

Look! He was a surrealist auteur who was well before his time! People just don't understand his subversive take on various genres.......honestly.
CD93
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Imagine the story arcs they could have in each of the films leading up to this fireball revelation..

Burned Wolf
Torched Wood.
He Will Burn Four Times.

This stuff writes itself, oh why haven't we got a movie already?! ”

Hellfire Will Fall..
The Impossible Flame...
The Fireball of The Doctor......
Abomination
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by CD93:
“Hellfire Will Fall..
The Impossible Flame...
The Fireball of The Doctor......”



Even his name is false. His real name is hidden.

It burns in the stars, in the fireball of Eccleston himself!
Lewis Christian
18-04-2015
Maybe they could grab the footage of 9 saying "I'm on fire!" from The Doctor Dances and make a sequel based around that too.
CD93
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“

Even his name is false. His real name is hidden.

It burns in the stars, in the fireball of Eccleston himself!”

The Doctor is a legend woven throughout history. When disaster comes he's there. He brings a fireball in his wake...
Lewis Christian
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by CD93:
“The Doctor is a legend woven throughout history. When disaster comes he's there. He brings a fireball in his wake...”

So that's why #3 said "great balls of fire!" in The Five Doctors!
be more pacific
18-04-2015
They could also reuse footage of Pertwee from The Five Doctors. Have the Doctor driving Bessie down the same corridor. He sees something in his rearview mirror and proclaims "Great ballth of fire!"
be more pacific
18-04-2015
Honestly, I didn't see Lewis's post above mine.
Lewis Christian
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“Honestly, I didn't see Lewis's post above mine.”

Great minds! In DB world, us two thinking similar things proves 100% that there is an audience for this! Market research is complete. Time to make the film.
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