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little-monster
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by attitude99:
“Why couldn't Billy have got with Todd? Then this storyline would've been credible at least.”

Because Sean hasn't had a love interest in a few years. Plus they are delving into Todd's past and what he got up to off-screen soon, so I don't think a love interest would have worked in to that.
Chiltons Cane
18-04-2015
Todd is one of my faves and i really like Billy and think it would be more interesting to pair these two.
LiamBerryTea ~
18-04-2015
No it's awful
To say someone has to be forced to accept someone who's doing things in their establishmenet they don't agree with is wrong
You might agree with it and think you're right but others would have the opposite view
No opinion should just be the accepted norm
Because it is that. An opinion
ewoodie
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Were they going to have sex though? I thought the pushing the beds together comment was just a jokey throw away comment. Crass and vulgar maybe but then that is Sean's character.

I think it was put there for the landlord to have a reason to react the way he did as otherwise even though the couple are camp as Christmas the the dumb owner wouldn't have a had a clue they were gay.



I don't think there was any way that was a just a mistake because as you've suggested Corrie clearly wanted to make a point. I personally believe the overriding issue with this story line like any story line involving Sean is that no one likes Sean and therefore it is impossible to sympathise or care with anything that happens to him.

He is god awful and I find it impossible to believe anyone could like the character let alone love him and watch with incredulity as Marcus before and now Billy say they care for and love him Corrie really needs to get rid of him as he is ruining any attempts to make decent story lines about gay characters.”

BIB This. ^^^

Corrie were definitely just jumping on this story to make a point and give Sean a SL. Was it all done and dusted in a double ep? Is that it or will they take it further? We didn't even see any planning for the trip. Sean and Billy into hiking. Who'd a thought it?!

As for Sean, I agree. The trouble with Sean is......

Well, one of the problems with Sean is: another is it's all about him being gay. So we get over-acted, camp cringeyness that belongs back in the days of John (I'm Free!) Inman.

Personally, I think this is insulting to gay people. There's more to everyone than just their sexuality. If Corrie want to rip-off a decent SL involving hikers and country pubs, they should look no further than An American Werewolf in London!
roverboy1965
18-04-2015
I've seen the "we reserve the right to refuse entry/services without reason" signs in places.

Does that mean nothing then and should I be refused say entry to say a club I can demand to know why because it may be because I could be gay, I'm white/Welsh/Muslim etc and the without reason is simply a try at getting round the law and they don't have to say cos your gay/black/white or whatever.
jsmith99
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by roverboy1965:
“I've seen the "we reserve the right to refuse entry/services without reason" signs in places.

Does that mean nothing then and should I be refused say entry to say a club I can demand to know why because it may be because I could be gay, ................”

You can ask the reason, but the person refusing admission, service or whatever is under no obligation to give a reason.

If you believe it's unlawful discrimination, then the onus is on you to prove it.
Brummy Girl
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“It was more than 50years ago wasn't it? They've waited a while to be 'topical'. I do agree that is the source of this though.

IIRC, the gay couple won their case. Basically, anybody can decide who they want in their private home, but if you open your home or business premises to the Public, like a B+B then you can not discriminate on the ground of race, colour, religion of sexuality. It is illegal.”

50 years ago? Here are a couple of more recent examples within the last few years: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...eme-Court.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158
srhgts
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by boshealecta:
“Yes Sean saying we can push the beds together could be seen as crass but still that isn't grounds to refuse someone.

Its interesting that being as it is Sean how people have reacted to it. It doesn't matter whether you like Sean or not, he had a right to not be discriminated against. Gay, Black, Disabled all minorities have annoying people in them. Do all gay people have to be perfect and endearing to allow them to have their rights? If they are an irritating person then are we saying they deserve it?!”

Excellent post.
firefly_irl
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by boshealecta:
“Ignoring how the storyliners wrote it as the characters involved, the issue on its own for me is clear cut.

I'm allowed who I want in my house or property, can refuse and deny people for whatever reason I want. But when I run a PUBLIC business providing a service, there is no room for discrimination and any member of the public is allowed and I have to adhere to the rules of that country as I have made my private property now PUBLIC

If it goes against his beliefs and he doesn't believe in the laws that we have, don't open a business.”

Legally you haven't, your business is not considered a public area like a railway station, council building, pavement, park etc.

As for "right to refuse admission" signs, its literally a "If you are a group of men you aren't allowed in" sign. They'll use some BS reason like you've had too much to drink even if sober as a judge.

Regardless of whether he is gay or not Sean is just dreadful and yes any storyline of his will be met with hostility so as a gay man I'd rather this had occurred to any other gay character in soaps. Because even I don't support Sean in this cause I wouldn't want him in my establishment due to the dreadfulness of his personality.
trevor tiger
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by LiamBerryTea ~:
“No it's awful
To say someone has to be forced to accept someone who's doing things in their establishmenet they don't agree with is wrong
You might agree with it and think you're right but others would have the opposite view
No opinion should just be the accepted norm
Because it is that. An opinion”

Opinion is irrelevant, it's the law.
trevor tiger
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“BIB This. ^^^

Corrie were definitely just jumping on this story to make a point and give Sean a SL. Was it all done and dusted in a double ep? Is that it or will they take it further? We didn't even see any planning for the trip. Sean and Billy into hiking. Who'd a thought it?!

As for Sean, I agree. The trouble with Sean is......

Well, one of the problems with Sean is: another is it's all about him being gay. So we get over-acted, camp cringeyness that belongs back in the days of John (I'm Free!) Inman.

Personally, I think this is insulting to gay people. There's more to everyone than just their sexuality. If Corrie want to rip-off a decent SL involving hikers and country pubs, they should look no further than An American Werewolf in London! ”

Wasn't the is Emily a homophobe story done and dusted in a double episode too?

Corrie are either too scared to really tackle homophobia and so fob the issue off with these tiny and insubstantial story lines or they know Sean simply cannot deliver anything that requires gravitas so get round it with these silly diversions.
David Wright
18-04-2015
I saw this earlier.

Thought the whole thing was cringe-making and awkward.

CS never does well when it get's on it's soap box (save that for EE who know what they're doing) but Sean just doesn't have the range to do serious scene's.

Anything like this with him involved is going to be embarrassing and it was,,,

The actor playing the Vicar looked like he wanted to the earth to swallow him up and I'm not entirely sure it was just because the story-line required it.
SULLA
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by dd68:
“As a gay man, I so do not care for these two”

Why not ?

Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I personally believe the overriding issue with this story line like any story line involving Sean is that no one likes Sean and therefore it is impossible to sympathise or care with anything that happens to him.”

I like Sean. He's a nice person.


Originally Posted by attitude99:
“Why couldn't Billy have got with Todd? Then this storyline would've been credible at least.”

Todd is an evil vile character.
curvybabes
18-04-2015
Billy is great I really like the character and the actor it's just a shame he has been paired with Sean
fayemian
18-04-2015
I was another one who thought it was clunky and badly acted. I must have missed the landlord looking put out at Sean's comment and couldn't understand why they both leapt to the conclusion the landlord was making the double booking thing up.

It may have been better if one of them had taking a wrong turning going to the loo or something, and overhearing the landlord saying to someone else he didn't want them in the pub. The way it was done seemed very forced and false.
ads84
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“ I like Sean. He's a nice person. ”

Hmmm, yes he's so 'nice' he screams homophobia at a defenceless old woman in the Rovers at the drop of a hat.
Lovely guy...
trevor tiger
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Why not ?

I like Sean. He's a nice person.

Todd is an evil vile character. ”

Ok I stand corrected and will amend my statement to 'only one person likes Sean'
attitude99
18-04-2015
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Wow that would have been brilliant

There is so much to explore with Todd unlike Sean who just grates and irritates and has zilch depth.”

Exactly.

Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Because Sean hasn't had a love interest in a few years. Plus they are delving into Todd's past and what he got up to off-screen soon, so I don't think a love interest would have worked in to that.”

I haven't heard about that. The only storylines I thought Todd had was the 'revenge' plot.

Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“Todd is one of my faves and i really like Billy and think it would be more interesting to pair these two.”

It definitely would have been. I find Todd a more believeable gay character than Sean.
Zebstriker
19-04-2015
At one point, I thought that the storyline was going to be that the pub had got hold of Betty's secret hotpot recipe, and Sean would be obsessed with trying to find out who was the mole.
SteKoo
19-04-2015
Sean is a knob.
ads84
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by Zebstriker:
“At one point, I thought that the storyline was going to be that the pub had got hold of Betty's secret hotpot recipe, and Sean would be obsessed with trying to find out who was the mole.”

As an aside, I detest how the hotpot has become 'Sean's' - Betty would never have passed on her recipe to him.
SULLA
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by ads84:
“Hmmm, yes he's so 'nice' he screams homophobia at a defenceless old woman in the Rovers at the drop of a hat.”

Even if he did scream that word, he is obliged to follow the script.
Quote:
“Lovely guy...”

Agreed

Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Ok I stand corrected and will amend my statement to 'only one person likes Sean' ”

Too late
LiamBerryTea ~
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by ads84:
“As an aside, I detest how the hotpot has become 'Sean's' - Betty would never have passed on her recipe to him.”

Isn't it just
Such disrespect to Betty
Walter Neff
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Why not ?

I like Sean. He's a nice person.

Todd is an evil vile character. ”

Sean is an evil character, just like the vile creature who plays him.

Todd is a believable character, and Bruno Langley is a terrific actor, unlike Miss Mince-a-lot.
wwinterj
19-04-2015
Sean is one of those who just likes to call everyone homophobic when things don't go his way. Personally if I was refused service somewhere I'd go elsewhere. Even if I don't think I should I wouldn't want to ruin my night by having a argument for nothing more than attention that in the end gets the same result. You won't be staying at that place so get on with you life and less drama. Words like homophobic and bigot get thrown about so much these days that they have lost all meaning.
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