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Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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PrestonAl
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by tiger2000:
“Friday's Mail Online...


http://bit.ly/1H0gJuG”

The mirror is telling people to vote lib Dem also.
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“Lib Dems could be as low as 18 seats come Friday, if they are no coalition with anyone”

Electoral calculus doesn't take into account that current LD mps have a tendency to outpeform uniform swing.
Inspiration
06-05-2015
Poll of polls.. not sure if these are from this morning or last night:

Tories: 34%
Labour 33%
Ukip 13%
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 5%
MARTYM8
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by Electra:
“Is the Mail panicking? How YOU can vote tactically to keep out Red Ed: Constituency by constituency guide to the 50 key seats that will help keep Labour out of Number 10
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Number-10.html”

Yes - it's the usual you UKIP supporters must vote Tory piece dressed up as something else. They only have 2 out of 50 where they suggest the other way.

They even suggest UKIP supporters should vote for the dreadful Anna Soubry. Are they having a laugh?
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
7 Polls expected today, is it possible the polls will converge and give us a clearer picture today.. we shall see.

Comres ICM Panelbase Survation Yougov Opinium TNS all expected today, Ipsos Mori expected tomorrow morning.
Jason C
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“Poll of polls.. not sure if these are from this morning or last night:

Tories: 34%
Labour 33%
Ukip 13%
Lib Dems 9%
Greens 5%”

I think they're the averages of all of yesterday's polls.
MARTYM8
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by mithy73:
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That's not being "weak and pathetic", that's called "living in the real world".

And it's a welcome interjection from ComRes, showing a clear lead for the 'in' camp, that indicates that these sorts of false narratives are starting to lose traction and people are starting to wise up to the lies and distortions promulgated by Brexit proponents. There are clear and genuine reasons to doubt that EU membership is in the UK's interests, and proponents of Brexit should be concentrating on those instead of these silly myths.”

The single fact is you are unlikely ever to get any significant treaty changes on the issues Cameron is purportedly concerned about like freedom of movement and benefits - why would the majority of states help Cameron deliver an outcome which disadvantages their citizens? There are two choices - accept the EU as it is and move closer to political union or leave. In any case Cameron couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag - he has achieved little or nothing so far EU wise and his renegotiation talk is a sham.

I think the one thing you can say about EU membership polls is that they vary widely - a couple of weeks ago leave and stay was neck and neck. Sometimes it depends how you ask the question - it's often linked to said reforms which aren't deliverable.

http://www.cityam.com/213771/general...call-says-poll
Annsyre
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“The single fact is you are unlikely ever to get any significant treaty changes on the issues Cameron is purportedly concerned about like freedom of movement and benefits - why would the majority of states help Cameron deliver an outcome which disadvantages their citizens? There are two choices - accept the EU as it is and move closer to political union or leave. In any case Cameron couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag - he has achieved little or nothing so far EU wise and his renegotiation talk is a sham.

I think the one thing you can say about EU membership polls is that they vary widely - a couple of weeks ago leave and stay was neck and neck. Sometimes it depends how you ask the question - it's often linked to said reforms which aren't deliverable.

http://www.cityam.com/213771/general...call-says-poll”

The shenanigans in Greece might impact on the EU as a whole. I think that Cameron could make some gains.
marke09
06-05-2015
1 down 6 to go

TNS BMRB poll

Cons 33 (-1)
Lab 32 (-1)
Ukip 14 (-1)
Lib Dems 8 (+1)
Greens 6 (+1)
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by marke09:
“1 down 6 to go

TNS BMRB poll

Cons 33 (-1)
Lab 32 (-1)
Ukip 14 (-1)
Lib Dems 8 (+1)
Greens 6 (+1)”

Lib Dems are definitely starting to gain support most polls have them gaining.
PrincessPerfect
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by MattXfactor:
“7 Polls expected today, is it possible the polls will converge and give us a clearer picture today.. we shall see.

Comres ICM Panelbase Survation Yougov Opinium TNS all expected today, Ipsos Mori expected tomorrow morning.”

I don't think we are getting surrvatipn as we got them yesterday.
jjne
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“I don't think we are getting surrvatipn as we got them yesterday.”

According to UKPollingReport, Survation have said that there's a daily poll up until the election, which would indicate a further poll today.

Survation are a very interesting case, as they are the only one of the established pollsters to be showing, consistently, an 18% rating for UKIP (the others are either transient or, in the case of Panelbase, newcomers). They're either going to become another Angus Reid and disappear with their tail between their legs, or they'll be the heroes of tomorrow night (although it must be said that even they are showing some slight shakiness in the UKIP support over the last week)

We shall see. Part of me hopes UKIP do get 20% tomorrow, as it will amplify the case for political reform when this 20% results in maybe 3 seats.
bhoy07
06-05-2015
Seems The Times in Scotland is calling for a tactical anti snp vote, wonder how many Tories/LDs/scoLab switching sides tomorrow will change the way thing stand.
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“I don't think we are getting surrvatipn as we got them yesterday.”

I think there is
marke09
06-05-2015
Re the TNS poll

Of the certainty to vote figures its Con 35 Lab 32
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Re the TNS poll

Of the certainty to vote figures its Con 35 Lab 32”

I think that will be close to the actual vote figures
Fudd
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by bhoy07:
“Seems The Times in Scotland is calling for a tactical anti snp vote, wonder how many Tories/LDs/scoLab switching sides tomorrow will change the way thing stand.”

So The Times in Scotland is basically advocating a Labour government. The Times (national) is backing a Conservative government or, at worst, a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition.

The Scottish Sun is basically advocating a government supported by the SNP but The Sun is supporting the Conservatives.

The papers are as split as the nation.
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“So The Times in Scotland is basically advocating a Labour government. The Times (national) is backing a Conservative government or, at worst, a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition.

The Scottish Sun is basically advocating a government supported by the SNP but The Sun is supporting the Conservatives.

The papers are as split as the nation.”

Yep pretty weird scenario
James2001
06-05-2015
I'm suprised to see the Scottish Times advocating an anti-SNP tactical vote seeing as it goes againt the wishes of supreme master Murdoch.
Sanguinius
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by MattXfactor:
“Lib Dems are definitely starting to gain support most polls have them gaining.”

Indeed, I wonder if it's down to tactical voting. The Conservatives want a majority but if they can't they will want to try and do a deal with someone and the Lib Dem's are the only partner out there.

In terms of the polls I am expecting to see a couple that show smalls leads for both Conservative and Labour. But there will be a few where its a dead heat.

I don't think any pollsters will spot a late swing to any party, if it's going to happen it will on polling day. There are a lot of undecided voters out there and whilst they may not 100% like a particular party they may tactically vote for it to prevent a worse alternative.
Amanda_Raymond
06-05-2015
TNS wasn't very accurate in 2010. Populus was one of the most accurate ones from what I read, this year it has Lab and Tories level pegging
D.M.N.
06-05-2015
Not an opinion poll per se, but Sporting Intelligence on Twitter has looked at 650 individual betting markets: https://twitter.com/sportingintel/st...07616276148224
MattXfactor
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Not an opinion poll per se, but Sporting Intelligence on Twitter has looked at 650 individual betting markets: https://twitter.com/sportingintel/st...07616276148224”

The Lib Dem number suggests there will be some good value bets for LD constituency's out there.
Amanda_Raymond
06-05-2015
Lib Dems likely to lose lots of seats, but hearing there a couple they might pick up, Watford being one
MARTYM8
06-05-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“Lib Dems likely to lose lots of seats, but hearing there a couple they might pick up, Watford being one”

It's a big unknown. But if they are only on 8 per cent this implies in 90 per cent of the country they will lose their deposits!
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