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****in deal with it and stop greetin.
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The Guardian was saying labour was losing the air waves over the NHS because of the SNP this week
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No we won't deal with it
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Well, that'll do the trick.
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You may have to.
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I think the protests that will follow this election whatever the result and the ramifications of a party, who can only be voted for in one country and 59 million people have no say over, will soon change a lot of things.
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No we won't deal with it give us a chance to vote for them then we can say we said no like the Scots do to the Tories and now Labour don't tell us to ****ing deal with it put up the candidates and show your willing to be judged.
you know, this union of equal partners that doesn't require parties to field candidates in every home nation, that union you support?
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I think the protests that will follow this election whatever the result and the ramifications of a party, who can only be voted for in one country and 59 million people have no say over, will soon change a lot of things.
The General Election is not a single nationwide poll, but effectively 650 by-elections. It is up to adult citizens of each constituency who they pick as their MP; and if the outcome of those 650 by-elections leaves us with a Parliament that will not countenance anything other than a Labour minority Government, then that is how our constitution works. That is the case, even if the governing party has fewer MPs than another party, even if that party is granted a vote of confidence by another party that only stands candidates in a minority of UK constituencies, and even if that other party is a party that would like to separate one part of the UK from the rest of it. |
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So do you think that the Tories should rule out any arrangement with the Democratic Unionist Party of Northern Ireland, then?
The General Election is not a single nationwide poll, but effectively 650 by-elections. It is up to adult citizens of each constituency who they pick as their MP; and if the outcome of those 650 by-elections leaves us with a Parliament that will not countenance anything other than a Labour minority Government, then that is how our constitution works. That is the case, even if the governing party has fewer MPs than another party, even if that party is granted a vote of confidence by another party that only stands candidates in a minority of UK constituencies, and even if it is a party that would like to separate one part of the UK from the rest of it. |
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THIS!!!
The SNP should put candidates up everywhere and show us what they are prepared to do for the whole of the UK. |
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THIS!!!
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NI is only like it is because the stupid sides their cannot get on with each other and need nannying and to have their own parties to stop them fighting again.
That's avoiding the question. Should the Tories rule out a coalition with the DUP or not? The DUP only stands in 18 seats, after all. By your own argument, they have even less right to form or bring into being a Government than the SNP. Shouldn't the rest of us be given a chance to reject the DUP at the ballot box before they make a post-election pact?Quote:
The SNP should put candidates up everywhere and show us what they are prepared to do for the whole of the UK.
Would you expect Sinn Féin to put up candidates outside Ireland - or Plaid Cymru to do so outside Wales - or Mebyon Kernow outside Cornwall - or Yorkshire First outside Yorkshire?Why the special pleading against the SNP? |
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Not this at all NI is only like it is because the stupid sides their cannot get on with each other and need nannying and to have their own parties to stop them fighting again.
The SNP should put candidates up everywhere and show us what they are prepared to do for the whole of the UK. I've asked Before-what would you do if Scotland elected lots of MP's en masse who held the balance of power but were all independents? Would they be illegitmet because the rest of the UK couldn't vote for them? |
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Not this at all NI is only like it is because the stupid sides their cannot get on with each other and need nannying and to have their own parties to stop them fighting again.
The SNP should put candidates up everywhere and show us what they are prepared to do for the whole of the UK. |
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You seem to be on a mission to get people to think that democratically elected snp mps holding power are uniquely illegitmet.
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This might be the poll The Sun was referring to:
Do you believe that a minority Labour government supported by the SNP would be open to a "daily dose of political blackmail"? Yes and that's a good thing: 7% Yes and that's a bad thing: 49% No: 16% Don't know: 28% https://yougov.co.uk/#/live |
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Considering they don't want anything to do with Westminster it's quite ironic!
What is it you expect them to do in the absence of independence? |
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Not really -Your caricaturing the situation. why shouldn't they seek to represent their constituency rather than leave it to Westminster parties who they don't trust.
What is it you expect them to do in the absence of independence? I didn't mean that comment as a derogatory dig at the SNP; just found it mildly amusing. As I said on another thread if the SNPs do support a Labour minority government it will be a challenge, probably more so for Labour than the SNP. |
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I agree - but if the referendum had been a Yes vote they presumably (would independence be in place by now?) wouldn't be involved in Westminster at all.
I didn't mean that comment as a derogatory dig at the SNP; just found it mildly amusing. As I said on another thread if the SNPs do support a Labour minority government it will be a challenge, probably more so for Labour than the SNP. |
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This might be the poll The Sun was referring to:
Do you believe that a minority Labour government supported by the SNP would be open to a "daily dose of political blackmail"? Yes and that's a good thing: 7% Yes and that's a bad thing: 49% No: 16% Don't know: 28% https://yougov.co.uk/#/live |
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Considering they don't want anything to do with Westminster it's quite ironic!
But some of the scare stories about it are silly. Take Trident, for example. The simple way to avoid a crisis over Trident is to deal with it as a separate issue in Parliament - don't try to package-deal it with any other measures. Establishment parties that want to keep Trident have an overwhelming majority of MPs in the Commons. The SNP can't prevent Trident renewal unless a major party breaks ranks for party-poliical reasons. If that's the case (and if my advice is followed), if the Trident question brings down a minority Government, it will not be the fault of the SNP: they've made their position clear, and one cannot reasonably expect them to resile from it. It will be the fault of the Tories. Or of Labour, if it tries to tack anything else onto Trident-related proposals, or if opposition within its own ranks to Trident renewal is so great that even an Establishment consensus cannot command a majority of MPs. |
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I agree - but if the referendum had been a Yes vote they presumably (would independence be in place by now?) wouldn't be involved in Westminster at all.
I didn't mean that comment as a derogatory dig at the SNP; just found it mildly amusing. As I said on another thread if the SNPs do support a Labour minority government it will be a challenge, probably more so for Labour than the SNP. I think the UK and Scottish government had an optimistic plan that independence would have kicked in April 2016 after negotiations but most international experts seem to think that these kind of awkward complicated negotiations take a bit longer and would more likely have been Autumn 2017. |
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A major Tory donor has told Andrew Neil tonight that "Cameron's heart is not in it" (the campaign). "Not looking good".
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Independence wouldn't be until 2016.
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David Cameron could have written that question
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A major Tory donor has told Andrew Neil tonight that "Cameron's heart is not in it" (the campaign). "Not looking good".
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you know, this union of equal partners that doesn't require parties to field candidates in every home nation, that union you support?
