|
||||||||
Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3) |
![]() |
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
|
|
#5101 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 23,726
|
Quote:
The undecideds will probably decide last moment to stick with the devil you know
|
|
|
|
|
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
|
|
|
#5102 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 23,726
|
When are the next opinion poll results due please?
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5103 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,832
|
Quote:
What puzzles me is the significant number of brexiters who are convinced the status quo will always win on the day
Leave and take charge of our own destiny, or stay in and forever be ruled by the unelected bureaucratas in Brussels, eventually being drawn into a European superstate that the elite want so much. That's why anything could happen this time around. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5104 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 9,704
|
Quote:
It's odd that 180 nations can survive outside the EU but apparently the worlds fifth largest economy cannot. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5105 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 27,529
|
Quote:
It won't be the fifth largest economy for long if Leave wins the referendum.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5106 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: It's Grim
Posts: 24,412
|
The thing is; most people are not poets and often struggle to explain the "why" of a decision.
I guarantee that the majority of people are not prejudiced against foreigners, why on earth would that suddenly be a mass problem in the UK? No, it's the resources that the immigrants are perceived to be taking that is the problem. And that's the fault of politicians of course who have created an EU that exploits people at the bottom of society to reward those at the top. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5107 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: North
Posts: 69
|
Quote:
It won't be the fifth largest economy for long if Leave wins the referendum.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5108 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: mid west wales
Posts: 9,623
|
Quote:
When are the next opinion poll results due please?
|
|
|
|
|
#5109 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 23,726
|
Quote:
there may be one tonight if not Wednesday
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5110 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: North
Posts: 69
|
Quote:
The thing is; most people are not poets and often struggle to explain the "why" of a decision.
I guarantee that the majority of people are not prejudiced against foreigners, why on earth would that suddenly be a mass problem in the UK? No, it's the resources that the immigrants are perceived to be taking that is the problem. And that's the fault of politicians of course who have created an EU that exploits people at the bottom of society to reward those at the top. I think it is many reasons. Some are just a passion to be British and not European, if you understand. Being part of a smaller group, more loyal group can make a difference to being just a number in a far larger organisation. The ability of your vote to change things. That's also another good reason. Our democracy is a bit pants at times but at least when people want change we can vote for it. The EU is just percieved as undemocratic. If you add both these together you start to get a feeling why people want out. Add in the ones you've pointed out and a much bigger picture becomes more apparent. But of course, those wanting us to remain prefer to call us all thick racists
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5111 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Lincolnshire
Posts: 4,051
|
Quote:
When are the next opinion poll results due please?
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5112 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 34,231
|
Quote:
There's a growing belief that the UK will get access to the single market, maybe not have to pay, and will be able to put and end to freedom of movement - wonder if that is part of the reason for the increasing Leave vote?
And no has been so determined to win that they have gone for the anti-immigrant vote- regardless of the contradiction with wanting the single market. its now a case of voting for nothing possible, or at best the same as now with less say, and with attached recession, if you vote leave. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5113 |
|
Inactive Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,780
|
Quote:
Despite everyone in Europe saying why it will never happen. It is like the kids playing on the railway line, telling each other that they can move out of the way faster than the train.
And no has been so determined to win that they have gone for the anti-immigrant vote- regardless of the contradiction with wanting the single market. its now a case of voting for nothing possible, or at best the same as now with less say, and with attached recession, if you vote leave. You're wasting 1's and 0's. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5114 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 6,373
|
From the polling we've had so far, the undecideds have been splitting slightly in favour of Leave.
It's been suggested that the conventional wisdom of there being a late swing to the status quo is actually a myth and undecideds tend to break the same way as the rest of the population. This referendum will be particularly telling because perhaps for the first time in a good while (ever?), the status quo is seen to be the 'left-wing' choice. Where there's been a late shift to the status quo in the past, it's typically been a shift to the right-wing choice. So we'll see! |
|
|
|
|
|
#5115 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Manchester
Posts: 15,099
|
Quote:
Despite everyone in Europe saying why it will never happen. It is like the kids playing on the railway line, telling each other that they can move out of the way faster than the train.
And no has been so determined to win that they have gone for the anti-immigrant vote- regardless of the contradiction with wanting the single market. its now a case of voting for nothing possible, or at best the same as now with less say, and with attached recession, if you vote leave. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5116 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: mid west wales
Posts: 9,623
|
Someone asked earlier what can the Reamin side do to turn things around?
Well they have not got long as i would expect this week to be the week that most of those with a postal ballot will be posting it to make sure it arrives in time - i know ill be posting mine on Thursday |
|
|
|
|
#5117 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 34,231
|
Quote:
I don't think it's just that.
I think it is many reasons. Some are just a passion to be British and not European, if you understand. Being part of a smaller group, more loyal group can make a difference to being just a number in a far larger organisation. The ability of your vote to change things. That's also another good reason. Our democracy is a bit pants at times but at least when people want change we can vote for it. The EU is just percieved as undemocratic. If you add both these together you start to get a feeling why people want out. Add in the ones you've pointed out and a much bigger picture becomes more apparent. But of course, those wanting us to remain prefer to call us all thick racists ![]() The Eu does very little. And the price for getting more done globally by convincing Europe to our view, is that sometimes we have to adapt to their view. Thats us exercising sovereignty. to get what we want most. We don't accept anything important we don't like -and now have opt outs in all significant areas. There's nothing different there than with any other constraint states work under - internatonal law, alliances, or trading rules. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5118 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 17,649
|
Quote:
Despite everyone in Europe saying why it will never happen. It is like the kids playing on the railway line, telling each other that they can move out of the way faster than the train.
And no has been so determined to win that they have gone for the anti-immigrant vote- regardless of the contradiction with wanting the single market. its now a case of voting for nothing possible, or at best the same as now with less say, and with attached recession, if you vote leave. And it's not an anti-immigrant vote however much you try to suggest it is. I'm only quarter English by 'blood', but brought up here on edge of London; members of my family are 2nd generation immigrants from India via Uganda, plus an 'adopted' half Ghanaian from college days, and yet we are not untypical of the people around us voting for change. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5119 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 23,726
|
Still can't figure out why there's a significant number of brexiters who despite the clear trend in the polls think it's a 100% foregone conclusion that the government's position will prevail.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5120 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 40,361
|
Quote:
there may be one tonight if not Wednesday
That has shown consistently huge remain leads for years - last year in June it had remain up by 44 per cent (66 to 22). If MORI has it anywhere near close then I might start believing a Brexit vote might really happen. |
|
|
|
|
|
#5121 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 3,198
|
Quote:
Still can't figure out why there's a significant number of brexiters who despite the clear trend in the polls think it's a 100% foregone conclusion that the government's position will prevail.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5122 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,068
|
Quote:
There is a MORI poll due out mid week.
That has shown consistently huge remain leads for years - last year in June it had remain up by 44 per cent (66 to 22). If MORI has it anywhere near close then I might start believing a Brexit vote might really happen.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#5123 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 22,157
|
Quote:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...P=share_btn_tw
New ICM/Guardian EU referendum polls. Both phone and online polls show a lead of 6% to Leave after Don't Knows are excluded. 53% Leave 47% Remain if this vote is really close but remain win. This government will collapse by the Autumn there is no way its going to function. |
|
|
|
|
#5124 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 23,726
|
Quote:
ORB phone poll for telegraph with commentary from Lynton Crosby due in the next hour
![]() |
|
|
|
|
|
#5125 |
|
Forum Member
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 3,198
|
Quote:
There is a MORI poll due out mid week.
That has shown consistently huge remain leads for years - last year in June it had remain up by 44 per cent (66 to 22). If MORI has it anywhere near close then I might start believing a Brexit vote might really happen. |
|
|
|
![]() |
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 11:40.




