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Old 22-06-2016, 14:15
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Interesting quote from a BBC chap:

David Cowling, the BBC’s head of political research, in an internal memo…

“It seems to me that the London bubble has to burst if there is to be any prospect of addressing the issues that have brought us to our current situation. There are many millions of people in the UK who do not enthuse about diversity and do not embrace metropolitan values yet do not consider themselves lesser human beings for all that. Until their values and opinions are acknowledged and respected, rather than ignored and despised, our present discord will persist. Because these discontents run very wide and very deep and the metropolitan political class, confronted by them, seems completely bewildered and at a loss about how to respond (“who are these ghastly people and where do they come from?” doesn’t really hack it). The 2016 EU referendum has witnessed the cashing in of some very bitter bankable grudges but I believe that, throughout this 2016 campaign, Europe has been the shadow not the substance.”




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Old 22-06-2016, 14:17
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Interesting quote from a BBC chap:

David Cowling, the BBC’s head of political research, in an internal memo…

“It seems to me that the London bubble has to burst if there is to be any prospect of addressing the issues that have brought us to our current situation. There are many millions of people in the UK who do not enthuse about diversity and do not embrace metropolitan values yet do not consider themselves lesser human beings for all that. Until their values and opinions are acknowledged and respected, rather than ignored and despised, our present discord will persist. Because these discontents run very wide and very deep and the metropolitan political class, confronted by them, seems completely bewildered and at a loss about how to respond (“who are these ghastly people and where do they come from?” doesn’t really hack it). The 2016 EU referendum has witnessed the cashing in of some very bitter bankable grudges but I believe that, throughout this 2016 campaign, Europe has been the shadow not the substance.”




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Ding. The sound of the penny dropping....
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:18
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If you are talking about Labour Party members I am surprised it's as low as 75 per cent.

Kay Burley has been in Hartlepool all day and cannot find anyone voting remain - although she did meet up with some Dutch sailors who would vote remain if they had a vote.

Maybe it shows the disconnect Labour has with it's core working class support. Can I have the avocado dip - sorry that's mushy peas mate!
I know quite a few ex staunch Labour voters who are now UKIP.

Probably a case of being taken for granted?
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:21
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Andrea Leadsom MP ‏@andrealeadsom 3h3 hours ago

Disappointed that my colleague @RuthDavidsonMSP would accuse me of lying. The facts from @commonslibrary are clear.

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Old 22-06-2016, 14:21
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Interesting quote from a BBC chap:

David Cowling, the BBC’s head of political research, in an internal memo…

“It seems to me that the London bubble has to burst if there is to be any prospect of addressing the issues that have brought us to our current situation. There are many millions of people in the UK who do not enthuse about diversity and do not embrace metropolitan values yet do not consider themselves lesser human beings for all that. Until their values and opinions are acknowledged and respected, rather than ignored and despised, our present discord will persist. Because these discontents run very wide and very deep and the metropolitan political class, confronted by them, seems completely bewildered and at a loss about how to respond (“who are these ghastly people and where do they come from?” doesn’t really hack it). The 2016 EU referendum has witnessed the cashing in of some very bitter bankable grudges but I believe that, throughout this 2016 campaign, Europe has been the shadow not the substance.”




http://order-order.com/2016/06/22/lu...-thick-idiots/
I think many of those sentiments could apply to the current situation in the US as well. They can not comprehend why anyone would want to vote for Trump and dismiss them all as racists and bigots. Some maybe but others have genuine concerns and grievances that have been ignored for too long.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:22
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So if we are talking stereotypically who will be voting for leave / remain?

Leave -
Some Tory supporters; definitely UKIP supporters and most likely older people both male and female

Remain -
I keep hearing most Labour supporters should or will be voting remain but what points to this? The supposed Labour heartlands in North England attidue seems to be to leave.
I also hear SNP backers are voting remain but if they want another referendum vote wouldn't they want to vote leave?
I keep hearing that first and second generation migrants are more likely to vote remain but being in the EU prevents many of their family and friends being given the opportunities that EU migrants are automatically given.

To me it looks like leave already has a solid and stereotyped base but with remain I don't think it is that clear cut.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:25
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SKY News - President of the EU Commission Juncker says there will be no renegotiation with Britain following the referendum "Out is Out" - good theres nothing we want or they can give us
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:25
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So if we are talking stereotypically who will be voting for leave / remain?

Leave -
Some Tory supporters; definitely UKIP supporters and most likely older people both male and female

Remain -
I keep hearing most Labour supporters should or will be voting remain but what points to this? The supposed Labour heartlands in North England attidue seems to be to leave.
I also hear SNP backers are voting remain but if they want another referendum vote wouldn't they want to vote leave?
I keep hearing that first and second generation migrants are more likely to vote remain but being in the EU prevents many of their family and friends being given the opportunities that EU migrants are automatically given.

To me it looks like leave already has a solid and stereotyped base but with remain I don't think it is that clear cut.
Kay Burley was in a Labour area, and could not find one remained, only two she found was from Demark.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:25
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Andrea Leadsom MP ‏@andrealeadsom 3h3 hours ago

Disappointed that my colleague @RuthDavidsonMSP would accuse me of lying. The facts from @commonslibrary are clear.

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So, 60% of laws actually do come from Brussels! Maybe 13% of those affect Scotland so in fairness, perhaps both were right.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:25
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SKY News - President of the EU Commission Juncker says there will be no renegotiation with Britain following the referendum "Out is Out" - good theres nothing we want or they can give us
Thank God. Now kindly go away. Horrid little man.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:29
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SKY News - President of the EU Commission Juncker says there will be no renegotiation with Britain following the referendum "Out is Out" - good theres nothing we want or they can give us
Good news for remain. There is no second chance for Britain. People have to decide tomorrow whether they want permanent isolation and destruction of our economy, or a better future together with the EU and unrestricted access to the single market.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:30
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and it what area. I would think Labour voters in London may vote differently to Labour voters in the North
Or even in what part of London, I would think Islington Labour voters may vote differently from Hackney Labour supporters
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:33
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Good news for remain. There is no second chance for Britain. People have to decide tomorrow whether they want permanent isolation and destruction of our economy, or a better future together with the EU and unrestricted access to the single market.
Isolation from what?
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:33
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Good news for remain. There is no second chance for Britain. People have to decide tomorrow whether they want permanent isolation and destruction of our economy, or a better future together with the EU and unrestricted access to the single market.
Do you seriously believe the peddle of remain?

Its a load of rubbish they are talking.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:34
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So, 60% of laws actually do come from Brussels! Maybe 13% of those affect Scotland so in fairness, perhaps both were right.
Ruth was very sneaky. Andrea was talking about rules and regulations, where 60% is a very accurate figure. Ruth responded by referring to the number of Acts of Parliament initiated by the EU which is very different but is, I believe, 13%. Ruth was very wrong to say that Andrea was lying.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:34
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Or even in what part of London, I would think Islington Labour voters may vote differently from Hackney Labour supporters
One will vote Remain in enormous numbers, the other will vote Remain in ginormous numbers.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:35
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Or even in what part of London, I would think Islington Labour voters may vote differently from Hackney Labour supporters
Depends on which bit of Islington. It's a pretty big borough.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:38
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SKY News - President of the EU Commission Juncker says there will be no renegotiation with Britain following the referendum "Out is Out" - good theres nothing we want or they can give us
Well he would say that now. I very much doubt it would pan out that way. There would be talks about Britain staying in the EEA for sure. Or possibly even a new deal offered to stay in the EU and a second referendum on it.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:40
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Good news for remain. There is no second chance for Britain. People have to decide tomorrow whether they want permanent isolation and destruction of our economy, or a better future together with the EU and unrestricted access to the single market.
Isolation from what exactly?
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:40
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Depends on which bit of Islington. It's a pretty big borough.
But in chippy UKIP provincial fairytale it is a land of castles and palaces inhabited by a cruel tribe of Guardian-reading multicultural muesli-eating metropolitan metrosexual Muslim-lovers.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:41
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/132096...of-a-lifetime/

The working class
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:44
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Did they go up to Liverpool and ask working class people what they think there? Thought not.
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:44
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At least its a bit more real than the remain camp wheeling out David Beckham as an endorser yesterday

I'm still undecided how to vote but when exactly was the last time he lived in UK or Europe? Unless Miami has recently become a UK town and I missed it
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:45
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Isolation from what exactly?
From being ruled by the great European Technocrats of course!

Didn't you here that they were appointed by God himself to rule over us mere mortals and lead us to the promised land where all things are blue and yellow, and all citizens proudly hum along to the delicate tones of "Ode to Joy"

Didn't you get the memo:
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Old 22-06-2016, 14:47
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But in chippy UKIP provincial fairytale it is a land of castles and palaces inhabited by a cruel tribe of Guardian-reading multicultural muesli-eating metropolitan metrosexual Muslim-lovers.
No doubt. Probably why some people also believe that West Hampstead is no more than the bit of Hampstead on the left.
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