Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)

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InTheLoop

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“There has been atrocious weather in London for the last hour or two with severe disruptions on several tube lines.

Just hope everyone manages to get home tonight - well after 10pm anyway.”

I'm in S London and I was meant to leave earlier as my polling station is only 2 minutes away but its just too stormy

The posters who think the weather won't affect turnout in this area are barmy

Lily Layfield

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by ArtfulDodger_:
“There is no exit poll, as the BBC guy says, to do an exit poll, you need to base it on previous voting years, as this referendum has never been done before, it is impossible to predict.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36596647”

Well Yougov released a surprise one after polls closed in the Scottish Referendum and it was spot on. The guy said his whole career was on the line over it.

So if yougov do similar tonight I would believe its findings.

wizzywick

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Lily Layfield:
“If Remain really wins then Tories must not be so keen on Brexit as we are led to believe. The shy factor again perhaps.”

Depends on whether they have their wealth in Luxembourg bank accounts or whether they pay directly to Eastern European employment agencies for staff. This Tory (me) is most definetely NOT a Remainer.

ArtfulDodger_

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Lily Layfield:
“Well Yougov released a surprise one after polls closed in the Scottish Referendum and it was spot on. The guy said his whole career was on the line over it.

So if yougov do similar tonight I would believe its findings.”

So they are, can't wait.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0Z81IJ

Quote:
“Its findings are due to be announced by Sky News soon after polling stations close at 10 p.m. (2100 GMT).”

Not long to go now.

Lily Layfield

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by ArtfulDodger_:
“So they are, can't wait.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-bri...-idUKKCN0Z81IJ

Not long to go now.”

Ha!!! thanks for posting that. I actually had started to doubt if I some how imagined the whole thing happening

Highest Grade

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“No way! The US electoral system is so democratic it takes nearly a year to complete. The EU have token MEP's for show (the democracy stops there) and commissioners are chosen by politicians because they're buddies! That's exactly how the USSR operated, except without the tokenist MEP's.

They might model themselves on the USA, but they mirror the USSR.”

I think you'll find commissioners are chosen in the USA also, not elected by the people.

carnoch04

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Lily Layfield:
“Ha!!! thanks for posting that. I actually had started to doubt if I some how imagined the whole thing happening ”

It is not an exit poll. Just a poll.

Lily Layfield

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by carnoch04:
“It is not an exit poll. Just a poll.”

Yes but it was the only poll out of all of them to be correct and close to the actual final result.

Ash_M1

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Mr_XcX:
“Rubbish.

We cannot control immigration, we're forced to bail out Greece and other failing EU countries against the taxpayers wishes, we cannot control our fishing waters to the extent the entire fishing industry in the UK is decimated, cannot create trade deals around the world, pay VAT on fuel bills AGAINST the peoples wishes...

hardly sounds like an independent sovereign nation to me!!!”

1. We do control our borders we aren't in Schengen.
2. Doesn't the UK Collective 'bail out' communities within the UK when they are in trouble?

You need to think of the EU as a bigger UK.

BanglaRoad

23-06-2016

For those who were saying the turnout in Scotland was low may have missed this.
https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/st...800058880?s=09

wizzywick

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Highest Grade:
“I think you'll find commissioners are chosen in the USA also, not elected by the people.”

But the senators aren't. They are very much elected. The senators also are lawmakers. In the EU the elected house aren't.

wizzywick

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“1. We do control our borders we aren't in Schengen.
2. Doesn't the UK Collective 'bail out' communities within the UK when they are in trouble?

You need to think of the EU as a bigger UK.”

Tosh!

wizzywick

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“For those who were saying the turnout in Scotland was low may have missed this.
https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/st...800058880?s=09”

Good for the Scots. I love the way they are so enthused about voting. If only the rest of the UK were as keen!

Ash_M1

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Tosh!”

... got a Toshiba?

Mr_XcX

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“1. We do control our borders we aren't in Schengen.
2. Doesn't the UK Collective 'bail out' communities within the UK when they are in trouble?

You need to think of the EU as a bigger UK.”

I will never think that.

So you're suggesting we should be under one leadership over all EU members and accept we have a single currency???

Even the most famous economists in all history have made comments about how the Euro, a single currency shared by nations would never work unless you have some form of overruling government controlling all nation states.

The EU do want to control the UK, just like they bullied and placed austerity and misery upon the Greek people.

Highest Grade

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“But the senators aren't. They are very much elected. The senators also are lawmakers. In the EU the elected house aren't.”

Wasn't there a thread yesterday debunking all this? Whether it's their mates or not, elected people choose commissioners and it goes all the way down to MEP's.

I don't know how to link threads, but should be on the first few pages. I think it had MYTH in the title.

BanglaRoad

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Good for the Scots. I love the way they are so enthused about voting. If only the rest of the UK were as keen!”

Still not as high as indy ref but an acceptable figure

Ash_M1

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Mr_XcX:
“I will never think that.

So you're suggesting we should be under one leadership over all EU members and accept we have a single currency???

Even the most famous economists in all history have made comments about how the Euro, a single currency shared by nations would never work unless you have some form of overruling government controlling all nation states.

The EU do want to control the UK, just like they bullied and placed austerity and misery upon the Greek people.”

Why not? The principles are exactly the same aren't they?

I wouldn't necessarily advocate a single currency however.

Who has bullied the UK and placed it under unnecessary austerity and misery since 2010? It certainly hasn't been the EU or immigrants.

wizzywick

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Why not? The principles are exactly the same aren't they?

I wouldn't necessarily advocate a single currency however.

Who has bullied the UK and placed it under unnecessary austerity and misery since 2010? It certainly hasn't been the EU or immigrants.”

BIB: Well, the whole of the EU has bullied the UK. Our PM declared people of the UK wanted a good deal and the EU bullied him into not getting anything!

Ash_M1

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“BIB: Well, the whole of the EU has bullied the UK. Our PM declared people of the UK wanted a good deal and the EU bullied him into not getting anything!”

Well done Wizzy. You meet the criteria for becoming a politician...not answering the question put to you. The answer is?

Mr_XcX

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Why not? The principles are exactly the same aren't they?

I wouldn't necessarily advocate a single currency however.

Who has bullied the UK and placed it under unnecessary austerity and misery since 2010? It certainly hasn't been the EU or immigrants.”

Nope.

We don't share a common language for starters. Or the same government.

What you're essentially saying about "principles being the same". Is that you are advocating a Single currency between nation states as the UK share the pound and also condoning an overruling EU government to control our nations. Just as I thought.....

Highest Grade

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“BIB: Well, the whole of the EU has bullied the UK. Our PM declared people of the UK wanted a good deal and the EU bullied him into not getting anything!”

You mentioned brick walls earlier.

We are not special, if we want to be part of the Union we abide by the principles of it. There maybe a few exceptions, but the fundamentals are not for negotiation.

Any word on the unelected EU yet? I found the thread just don't know how to link to it. Although you'll probably bury your head in the sand when faced with the facts.

Hildaonpluto

23-06-2016

Take a look at @JohnnyMercerMP's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerMP/s...087909888?s=09

Turnout high in Plymouth and high turnout is supposed to favour remaining

Ash_M1

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Mr_XcX:
“Nope.

We don't share a common language for starters. Or the same government.

What you're essentially saying about "principles being the same". Is that you are advocating a Single currency between nation states as the UK share the pound and also condoning an overruling EU government to control our nations. Just as I thought.....”

What I am saying is that the UK is a union made up of four nations. The EU is a union made up of twenty eight nations.

I back both unions.

wizzywick

23-06-2016

Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Take a look at @JohnnyMercerMP's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerMP/s...087909888?s=09

Turnout high in Plymouth and high turnout is supposed to favour remaining”

I agree with this reply:

https://twitter.com/RussellDutton/st...28506300162048

Wasn't Plymouth David Owen's old seat? He's pro-Brexit!

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