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Old 25-09-2016, 14:49
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He was a puppet of the left and the unions. Should never have won that leadership election.
Oh, for heavens sake, he wasn't a puppet of anyone's. He wasn't PM material, just as Corbyn isn't PM material, simple as that.
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Old 25-09-2016, 15:46
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Latest Ipsos Mori poll:

Tory - 40
Labour - 34
UKIP - 9
LibDem - 6
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:11
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Latest Ipsos Mori poll:

Tory - 40
Labour - 34
UKIP - 9
LibDem - 6
just to fill in the omitted context:

Fieldwork 10th-14th September, phone poll, counting those absolutely certain to vote.

Changes:
Tory - 40 (-5)
Labour - 34 (nc)
UKIP - 9 (+3)
LibDem - 6 (-1)
Green 5 (+1)

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...nt-Trends.aspx
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:17
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just to fill in the omitted context:

Fieldwork 10th-14th September, phone poll, counting those absolutely certain to vote.

Changes:
Tory - 40 (-5)
Labour - 34 (nc)
UKIP - 9 (+3)
LibDem - 6 (-1)
Green 5 (+1)

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...nt-Trends.aspx

Good news for May.
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:25
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just to fill in the omitted context:

Fieldwork 10th-14th September, phone poll, counting those absolutely certain to vote.

Changes:
Tory - 40 (-5)
Labour - 34 (nc)
UKIP - 9 (+3)
LibDem - 6 (-1)
Green 5 (+1)

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...nt-Trends.aspx
Good news for May.
Good news for May that the Tories are down 5%? That's some spinning there!
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:29
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Good news for May that the Tories are down 5%? That's some spinning there!
Should Labour not be way ahead?? Upwards of 40%?

I am still waiting for Corbyn's ' new leader bounce ' from last year!
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:42
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Should Labour not be way ahead?? Upwards of 40%?

I am still waiting for Corbyn's ' new leader bounce ' from last year!
New leader bounce? The media were portraying him as an ISIS supporter from day 1. How is any politician meant to have a bounce when such lies are being bandied about? No major politician in recent times has been subjected to such a concerted media attack on him, and he's been busy having to deal with an attempted coup from his own MPs.
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:50
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New leader bounce? The media were portraying him as an ISIS supporter from day 1. How is any politician meant to have a bounce when such lies are being bandied about? No major politician in recent times has been subjected to such a concerted media attack on him, and he's been busy having to deal with an attempted coup from his own MPs.
There's an old quote:

"Politicians who complain about the press/media are like sailors complaining about the sea”

As for this "coup" - I am sick to death of it being called that. What Corbyn tried in the 80's against Kinnock is a coup then.

The shad cabinet mp's resigned - as is their right under the rules.

They tabled a motion of no confidence - as is their right under the rules.
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:51
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Good news for May that the Tories are down 5%? That's some spinning there!
Because the Conservatives may be down but their support is going to UKIP or the LD's - not Labour.
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Old 25-09-2016, 16:54
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Good news for May that the Tories are down 5%? That's some spinning there!
Good news that the polls after that have shown their lead increasing from 6% to 7% to 9% and now 15%? Spin that!
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Old 25-09-2016, 17:00
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Good news for May that the Tories are down 5%? That's some spinning there!
Good news that she would win a GE on those figures.
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Old 25-09-2016, 17:03
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New leader bounce? The media were portraying him as an ISIS supporter from day 1. How is any politician meant to have a bounce when such lies are being bandied about? No major politician in recent times has been subjected to such a concerted media attack on him, and he's been busy having to deal with an attempted coup from his own MPs.
Jeremy Corbyn has condemned plans to recruit an extra 1,000 spies to combat ISIS and cyber warfare tactics - saying he does not understand why they are needed.

The Labour leader made the extraordinary remarks as he dismissed the need to increase the defence budget.

The veteran left-winger also risked enraging British troops by insisting investigations over abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan should continue.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...and-spies.html
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Old 25-09-2016, 17:10
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Good news that she would win a GE on those figures.
To be fair, Labour could be leading the Tories by 5 points and the Tories would still win the next election, such will be their electoral advantage in 2020.

Labour would need to be 10 points ahead of the Tories just to gain the tiniest of majorities.
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Old 25-09-2016, 17:40
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To be fair, Labour could be leading the Tories by 5 points and the Tories would still win the next election, such will be their electoral advantage in 2020.

Labour would need to be 10 points ahead of the Tories just to gain the tiniest of majorities.
The new boundaries will make things fairer.
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Old 25-09-2016, 18:00
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Latest Opinion polls figures - ICM Poll

CON 41%
LAB 26%
UKIP 14%
LD 8%
GRN 4%
Even though Farage is gone, UKIP are still in double figures which I think is very impressive, considering all that's happened so far this year.
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Old 25-09-2016, 18:59
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To be fair, Labour could be leading the Tories by 5 points and the Tories would still win the next election, such will be their electoral advantage in 2020.

Labour would need to be 10 points ahead of the Tories just to gain the tiniest of majorities.
It's always been the case that Labour need to be wayyyyy ahead in the polls to win.
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:00
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Jeremy Corbyn has condemned plans to recruit an extra 1,000 spies to combat ISIS and cyber warfare tactics - saying he does not understand why they are needed.

The Labour leader made the extraordinary remarks as he dismissed the need to increase the defence budget.

The veteran left-winger also risked enraging British troops by insisting investigations over abuses in Iraq and Afghanistan should continue.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...and-spies.html
Why does JC hate our country???

And if he really said Bib, he is not fit to lead the country
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:04
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New leader bounce? The media were portraying him as an ISIS supporter from day 1. How is any politician meant to have a bounce when such lies are being bandied about? No major politician in recent times has been subjected to such a concerted media attack on him, and he's been busy having to deal with an attempted coup from his own MPs.
But.... look at all the rallies and the thousands of people he is inspiring and the movement and the rise in membership . Not to mention his MASSIVE mandate - surely a mandate that huge would have deserved a tiny bounce? No?
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:11
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But.... look at all the rallies and the thousands of people he is inspiring and the movement and the rise in membership . Not to mention his MASSIVE mandate - surely a mandate that huge would have deserved a tiny bounce? No?
More people go to football matches than attend Corbyn's rallies.
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:32
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But.... look at all the rallies and the thousands of people he is inspiring and the movement and the rise in membership . Not to mention his MASSIVE mandate - surely a mandate that huge would have deserved a tiny bounce? No?
The only people that Corbyn and Labour appeals to are the old Labour die-hards, they will cheer him and worship him and consider him the best thing since the invention of the wheel, he will gain very few votes from those who voted for alternative parties and if he gains any votes, if at all, they will come from already Labour supporting areas.

The rise in membership no doubt can be attributed to those Labour controlled areas where they would vote for a pumpkin mounted on a broomstick if it was the declared Labour candidate.

His massive mandate cannot however be argued about.
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Old 26-09-2016, 22:56
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Corbyn is leading Labour towards 100% in the polls. I mean 100% of voters becoming party members. As the party membership swells, the number of willing Labour voters diminishes. We could eventually have a Labour membership of say 2 million and a Labour vote similarly around 2 million.
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Old 27-09-2016, 00:07
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Latest Ipsos Mori poll:

Tory - 40
Labour - 34
UKIP - 9
LibDem - 6
labour on 34 %
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:21
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There's an old quote:

"Politicians who complain about the press/media are like sailors complaining about the sea”

As for this "coup" - I am sick to death of it being called that. What Corbyn tried in the 80's against Kinnock is a coup then.

The shad cabinet mp's resigned - as is their right under the rules.

They tabled a motion of no confidence - as is their right under the rules.
The way the resignations were orchestrated by some shadowy Blairite PR firm was shameful. Even Andy Burnham has said that Corbyn was treated "appallingly" from day one. If it's all about rules, I assume these MPs will have no complaints about CLPs exercising their right under the rules to choose someone else to represent them at the next General Election?
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:29
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Why does JC hate our country???

And if he really said Bib, he is not fit to lead the country
The TV clip is actually on the Mail site. Not surprisingly, the Mail report of the exchange between Marr and Corbyn does not reflect the reality.

This is the exact transcript of what was said:

Marr: "Do you support the increase in the size of MI6 at the moment?"

Corbyn: "I don’t think that’s particularly necessary. There has to be, obviously, security for everybody but I am unclear as to why they want to be so much bigger."
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:30
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The only people that Corbyn and Labour appeals to are the old Labour die-hards, they will cheer him and worship him and consider him the best thing since the invention of the wheel, he will gain very few votes from those who voted for alternative parties and if he gains any votes, if at all, they will come from already Labour supporting areas.

The rise in membership no doubt can be attributed to those Labour controlled areas where they would vote for a pumpkin mounted on a broomstick if it was the declared Labour candidate.

His massive mandate cannot however be argued about.
The surge in new membership is, to a great extent, amongst young people.
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