That would be a devastating point, if only the polls pre-rebellion hadn't been putting Labour pretty much on a par with the Conservatives.

So the electorate - while the might not have deeply loved Corbyn - seemed to be a bit receptive to his advances then. Obviously, the boorish behaviour of Jeremy's 'friends' Hilary, Angela and Own have disrupted his subtle courtship, and electorate has gone all cold.

He'll have to start wooing her again, and hope his 'friends' keep quiet.

Newcastle, Leeds and York voted to remain, but don't let facts cloud your 'judgement'.

7 out of 10 Labour constituencies voted to leave the EU
But don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

Zero out of 59 Scottish constituencies voted to leave the EU, so what's your point?

Oh, Wizzy never lets facts cloud anything whatsoever. Lives in a hermetically sealed fact-free environment.

Also - lets not forget that Labour only got 29% and 30.5% at the last two general elections. It not like Corbyn has suddenly lost millions of voters.

The Blairite attempted coup drove left wing Corbyn supporters into the hands of the Conservatives in the polls.

Say what?

So why didn't they all flock back into the fold after Corbyn was re-affirmed with his massive mandate?

Darlington was Tory from 1983 to 1992 with the current Defence Sec. Michael Fallon. The town centre may be solid Labour but the constituency covers some fairly well-to-do rural areas.

The current Labour MP only has a 3000 majority so it's by no means a safe seat especially if the Conservatives can win back much of the UKIP vote.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/c...cies/E14000658

Or those same antics have opened the eyes of the electorate to how deeply divisive Corbyn can be, how he lacks any decent management and leadership skills, and how the Momentum grouping (and what parts of it stand for) can be a total turn-off.

The electorate have seen the reality underneath Corbyn's soft & cosy facade, and they did not like it. They saw the "kinder, gentler politics" and realised that underneath it was no different from what went before.

That is a possible interpretation, but not the only one. Time will tell. The electorate is rather taken with Ms May, at the moment, but I think it will not be a long relationship, nor will it end well.

The next election is four years away.

Worth remembering that this same pollster had remain ahead by 44 per cent - 66 to 22 - in June 2015. And look how that referendum turned out 12 months later.

480 out of 650 UK constituencies are estimated to voted leave - an effective majority of 310.

Considering their performance in the local by-elections, I find that claim very transparent. For if they really were dead, they'd be on 0% in the polls and have no seats what so ever.

Yes, just highlighting that your interpretation (oft-repeated by others) is not the only one either.

Darlington's Tory majority was effectively Gerrymandered away -- some of the well-to-do villages were moved into neighbouring seats which knocked out the Tory majority there.

I don't get why people think this is relevant, it was a national referendum, how each area voted would only matter if each area either left or remained depending on how they voted,
you can throw statistics at it all day,
here's one 64% of Labour voters voted remain, 42% of Tory voters voted remain,

the leader of the Tory party and the British prime minister was the LEADER of the remain campaign, and yet less than half of his parties voters listened to him,

Jeremy Corbyn as NOT the leader of the remain campaign, (As I said, Cameron was) Corbyn was not even the leader of the Labour remain campaign, Alan Johnson was,
and yet 64% of Labour voters voted the way their leaders wanted them to...
and yet... who does the great and 'impartial' British media blame for the brexit result? yip Jezzer Corbyn, and the herd of course blindly accept what they are spoon fed.

there is only one person to 'blame' and that is the FOOL who got panicked into promising a referendum because he was frightened that he was losing voters to Ukip, and this made him frightened that he might lose an election (he almost did) and the same coward ran for the hills to count his cash and cash in on the 'favours' to his chums with some very nice profitable talk gigs, almost as soon as the count was in.

Fact is the regional results and the party results don't matter (unless of course they can be twisted to blame Jeremy Corbyn, then they matter) the only number that matters was the one for the entire country, and that was to leave, and as a remainer who is a staunch supporter of democracy, I accept that result, I don't LIKE it, I think it is an act of sheer madness based largely (but not entirely of course) on a 'dislike' of people who arent 'local'

Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (-)
LAB: 26% (-2)
UKIP: 12% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 5% (+2)
(via YouGov / 19 - 20 Oct)

Gives a Conservative majority of 108.

Labour on 26% yet again.

Isn't it around now a certain poster pops up to claim this poll must only be an 'outlier'?

Theresa May must be doing something right.

Or everyone else is doing it very wrong.

To put into perspective how bad this is, usually from this position in the cycle to election day presumably in 2020 you would usually expect the polls to move back towards government (I think in 2011 for example the opposition (Labour) with Ed Miliband at the helm was about 10% clear of the conservatives in the polls) , meaning that for the tories to finish the 6% clear roughly that they did on election day there was an 8% swing back to the government (roughly).

So from Labours perspective these numbers simply do not add up at all to any sort of encouragement whatsoever. I've said this for a while to people and many times been laughed at but if Labour do not drastically alter course you are probably looking at about a 23% share of the vote for them in 2020.

It's okay. Labour are relying on those who don't normally vote. Naturally they won't be counted in the polls - but once they become aware that Labour is under new management they'll come out on the day I'm sure

I think Labour MPs would be well advised to hold their station for a year and see where Lab are in the polls. They may get one more chance to unseat Corbyn yet.