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Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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blueisthecolour
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by Inspiration:
“I think Labour MPs would be well advised to hold their station for a year and see where Lab are in the polls. They may get one more chance to unseat Corbyn yet.”

I agree. If mid-term polls were important then Ed Miliband would be Prime Minister now.
MartinP
21-10-2016
Labour's ratings have plunged after a year of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership to the point where barely a quarter of people think it is fit to run the country, a damning poll reveals today.

Just 21 per cent think Labour now has “a good team of leaders”, which has slumped from 27 per cent in September 2015 when Mr Corbyn took charge, found Ipsos MORI researchers. Only 26 per cent think the party is “fit to govern”, down from 35 per cent.

The disastrous findings come as Labour was pushed from second into third place in the Witney by-election.

In another blow, former leader Neil Kinnock warned that the party could be reduced to a tiny rump of just 165 MPs at the next general election.

Asked by Time magazine if he thought Labour faced a wipe-out on the scale of the Tory defeat in 1997, Lord Kinnock said: “They had 165 seats in 1997. That’s the ballpark. Just working on the basis of the polling figures over the last year, with trends … Nobody’s come back from here.”

More than half – 53 per cent – said the Conservatives are fit to govern, while 47 per cent felt Theresa May has a good team of leaders.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/polit...-a3375311.html
Radlestort
21-10-2016
I don't think it is surprising people have a negative view of the Labour party after the Chicken Coup fiasco. The question is, what were they thinking about Team Corbyn BEFORE the coup?

Always look closely at data to see if it is presenting a full picture. In this case, there is a year's worth of data being omitted, which makes the data that is presented pretty meaningless.

It would be interesting to see the figures for the intervening period. Were the ratings trending up before the Chicken Coup? Or has there been an ongoing stagnaton / decline.
MartinP
21-10-2016
Originally Posted by Radlestort:
“I don't think it is surprising people have a negative view of the Labour party after the Chicken Coup fiasco. The question is, what were they thinking about Team Corbyn BEFORE the coup?

Always look closely at data to see if it is presenting a full picture. In this case, there is a year's worth of data being omitted, which makes the data that is presented pretty meaningless.

It would be interesting to see the figures for the intervening period. Were the ratings trending up before the Chicken Coup? Or has there been an ongoing stagnaton / decline.”

Please keep posting because you are the last left-wing supporter trying to find some meaning in the recent polls....

"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams."

I wish you well
smudges dad
22-10-2016
Quote:
“Britain Elects
Scottish parliament voting intention (const.):
SNP: 51%
CON: 21%
LAB: 18%
LDEM: 7%
(via BMG / 28 Sep - 04 Oct)

Scottish Westminster voting intention (list):
SNP: 43%
CON: 20%
LAB: 16%
GRN: 8%
LDEM: 7%
UKIP: 3%
(via BMG / 28 Sep - 04 Oct)”

It looks like the SNP is still top of the pops in Scotland constituencies, and SGP is beating LDs and trouncing UKIP in the lists
NeverEnough
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“It looks like the SNP is still top of the pops in Scotland constituencies, and SGP is beating LDs and trouncing UKIP in the lists”

Never mind that! Are the Tories now officially the second party in Scotland? Because I thought the new left wing Labour Party was suppposed to claim back the SNP support. I guess the "SNP is left wing, therefore move left to get their vote" logic missed one very important issue. That being the average SNP voter kind of has one overiding aim, Scottish independence, which I don't believe Labour are offering.

16%!!!
davidmcn
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“SNP: 43%
CON: 20%
LAB: 16%
GRN: 8%
LDEM: 7%
UKIP: 3%”

That's the Scottish Parliament list figures rather than Westminster.

Westminster figures are:

SNP: 49%
CON: 20%
LAB: 17%
LDEM: 8%
GRN: 3%
UKIP: 2%
OTHER: 1%
MartinP
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by davidmcn:
“That's the Scottish Parliament list figures rather than Westminster.

Westminster figures are:

SNP: 49%
CON: 20%
LAB: 17%
LDEM: 8%
GRN: 3%
UKIP: 2%
OTHER: 1%”

Labour down 7% and Tories up 5% from the last election.
BanglaRoad
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by MartinP:
“Labour down 7% and Tories up 5% from the last election.”

Edinburgh South is getting the chop which happens to be the one Labour seat in Scotland now.
platelet
22-10-2016
Theresa May is trusted by more than twice as many voters as Jeremy Corbyn to run the economy well and handle Brexit negotiations effectively, according to an Opinium/Observer poll to mark her first 100 days as prime minister.

The survey conducted last week indicates that she is still building respect among voters three months into her leadership, despite troubles in her cabinet and heated arguments in parliament over Brexit.

46% of voters now think more positively about her than they did when she became prime minister while only 15% think more negatively, with 51% judging her first 100 days to have been an overall success. This compares with only 29% who said the same of Corbyn 100 days after he was elected Labour leader for the first time in September last year.

46% of voters approve of the way Theresa May has performed so far against 24% who disapprove.

22% of voters approve of the way Corbyn is leading Labour against 50% who disapprove.

13% say they approve of Tim Farron’s leadership of the party with 33% disapproving and 55% saying "who?"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-observer-poll
platelet
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by NeverEnough:
“Because I thought the new left wing Labour Party was suppposed to claim back the SNP support.”

Ah but Scotland voted for Owen Smith as leader not Corbyn by 6,856 votes to 6,042
blueisthecolour
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by platelet:
“Ah but Scotland voted for Owen Smith as leader not Corbyn by 6,856 votes to 6,042”

The theory is that the left wingers have already abandon Labour and joined the SNP. That's why the party is now more conservative than it's English partners.
Radlestort
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by MartinP:
“Please keep posting because you are the last left-wing supporter trying to find some meaning in the recent polls....

"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams."

I wish you well ”

After 2010 (which predicted a Tory victory; result, hung parliament), 2015 (which predicted a hung parliament; result Tory victory), the Indy referendum and the EU referendum, everyone should be looking at polls very sceptically.

Following 2015, the polling companies adjusted their models to boost Conservative support. Maybe they have it right, but maybe they have just over corrected and Labour are on 93% (MoE +/- 3.1%). Who knows?

And believe me, I love polls. But they're just a comic diversion, these days.

And my point about selective use of data stands, regardless of political affiliation.
Phil 2804
22-10-2016
Originally Posted by Radlestort:
“After 2010 (which predicted a Tory victory; result, hung parliament), 2015 (which predicted a hung parliament; result Tory victory), the Indy referendum and the EU referendum, everyone should be looking at polls very sceptically.

Following 2015, the polling companies adjusted their models to boost Conservative support. Maybe they have it right, but maybe they have just over corrected and Labour are on 93% (MoE +/- 3.1%). Who knows?

And believe me, I love polls. But they're just a comic diversion, these days.

And my point about selective use of data stands, regardless of political affiliation.”

There was only ever one poll, almost certainly a rogue that put Yes ahead in the Indyref. The polls called that right.
Radlestort
23-10-2016
The polls were a lot closer than the actual result.
ecco66
23-10-2016
Originally Posted by MattXfactor:
“To put into perspective how bad this is, usually from this position in the cycle to election day presumably in 2020 you would usually expect the polls to move back towards government (I think in 2011 for example the opposition (Labour) with Ed Miliband at the helm was about 10% clear of the conservatives in the polls) , meaning that for the tories to finish the 6% clear roughly that they did on election day there was an 8% swing back to the government (roughly).

So from Labours perspective these numbers simply do not add up at all to any sort of encouragement whatsoever. I've said this for a while to people and many times been laughed at but if Labour do not drastically alter course you are probably looking at about a 23% share of the vote for them in 2020.”

Well you were spot on about the last election so I'll take your opinion as totally sound Matt
Javed
23-10-2016
Apparently, Labour membership in Whitney has shot up to 1200 or some such astronomical figure, and yet the party came third in the by-election on Thursday.
Annsyre
23-10-2016
Originally Posted by Javed:
“Apparently, Labour membership in Whitney has shot up to 1200 or some such astronomical figure, and yet the party came third in the by-election on Thursday.”

Perhaps apparently none of them bothered to vote. Appalling result for Labour but unsurprising.

CON: 42% (-)
LAB: 26% (-2)
UKIP: 12% (+1)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 5% (+2)
(via YouGov / 19 - 20 Oct)
EuroFoxi
23-10-2016
Originally Posted by Javed:
“Apparently, Labour membership in Whitney has shot up to 1200 or some such astronomical figure, and yet the party came third in the by-election on Thursday.”

Another case of large appeal to the same core group ((new) party members) but hardly any appeal to the public as a whole? I don't expect they will ever wake up and smell the coffee.
mungobrush
29-10-2016
Polling for Richmond Park:
GOLDSMITH (Ind) 56% (down 2 from the Con share in 2015)
OLNEY (Lib Dem) 29% (up 10 from the LD share in 2015)
LABOUR 10% (-2)
OTHER 5% (-5)

No Conservative candidate and Labour is down 2%
BanglaRoad
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by mungobrush:
“Polling for Richmond Park:
GOLDSMITH (Ind) 56% (down 2 from the Con share in 2015)
OLNEY (Lib Dem) 29% (up 10 from the LD share in 2015)
LABOUR 10% (-2)
OTHER 5% (-5)

No Conservative candidate and Labour is down 2%”

Is there a Labour candidate?
Javed
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Is there a Labour candidate?”

Yes but no idea who. I don't know why Corbyn is insisting on splitting the Remain vote, makes no sense.
smudges dad
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by Javed:
“Yes but no idea who. I don't know why Corbyn is insisting on splitting the Remain vote, makes no sense.”

In case you hadn't noticed, the referendum was in June. This is a by-election.
MargMck
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“In case you hadn't noticed, the referendum was in June. This is a by-election.”

Yes, mostly about airplanes, not the EU.
Javed
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“In case you hadn't noticed, the referendum was in June. This is a by-election.”

In case you hadn't noticed, people have long memories.
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