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Here's an interesting poll from YouGov!
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/860351088?-15102:21126:0 How many go commando? |
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Given the three percent margin of error it's basically a tie!
How many go commando? |
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ICM/Guardian
Con 44 (+2) Lab 28 (=) Ukip 12 (=) Lib 7 (-2) Green 4 (+1) What Labour needs is more tributes to Castro
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Labour just don't talk about anything that matters.
Although I'm sure they think that's all they ever talk about! It's almost like a student union vibe I'm getting... |
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Labour just don't talk about anything that matters.
Although I'm sure they think that's all they ever talk about! It's almost like a student union vibe I'm getting... |
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Con 44 (+2) Lab 28 (=) Ukip 12 (=) Lib 7 (-2) Green 4 (+1) What Labour needs is more tributes to Castro ![]()
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Labour just don't talk about anything that matters.
Although I'm sure they think that's all they ever talk about! It's almost like a student union vibe I'm getting... Meanwhile, on "student vibe", the only demographic Labour now lead on is in the 18-24 group, so that makes sense - otherwise they trail on all age sets, gender and social grades, even the poorest. The likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry should be ashamed - but they have no shame, just ideological nonsense to spout. And it's clear that trying to "save" us from Brexit is doing the Lib Dems no favours at all. Farron must be very disappointed. |
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Dan Jarvis popped up on Sky News yesterday (he's been out knocking on doors in the North, Midlands and places like Essex again) and said Labour had to face up to the potential problem it has from UKIP.
Meanwhile, on "student vibe", the only demographic Labour now lead on is in the 18-24 group, so that makes sense - otherwise they trail on all age sets, gender and social grades, even the poorest. The likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry should be ashamed - but they have no shame, just ideological nonsense to spout. And it's clear that trying to "save" us from Brexit is doing the Lib Dems no favours at all. Farron must be very disappointed. |
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The likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry should be ashamed - but they have no shame, just ideological nonsense to spout.
Give the Tories time to start tearing each other to pieces again. |
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Where are you getting these demographics from, don't tell me, another failed polling company??
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Why? Prior to the Chicken Coup, Labour were virtually neck on neck with the Tories. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry didn't seem to be such a problem then. It's almost like the Eagle-Smith challenge turned a lot off people off, and the simultaneous appearance of Theresa May seemed an attractive option.
Give the Tories time to start tearing each other to pieces again. You can add in Labour's hideous performance during Brexit, when no one from the then front bench excelled, coming across as strident (Eagle), lying about what they really believed (Corbyn) or snobby (Thornberry). |
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I think we get it that you don't believe any of the numerous opinion polls, whether commissioned by papers like the Guardian, or coming from various companies. The one thing we can say about the polls is that when it comes to actual voting they tend to underestimate the Tory / right wing vote.
Never under-estimate 'the Corbyn effect', and by that I mean the anti-Corbyn vote. People expected him (and the likes of Abbott) to have gone by now and perhaps someone sensible to be in charge of the opposition. But there he is, still in charge and fantasising about Trident, so voting intention has hardened against Labour. You can add in Labour's hideous performance during Brexit, when no one from the then front bench excelled, coming across as strident (Eagle), lying about what they really believed (Corbyn) or snobby (Thornberry). Corbyn worked harder and attended more Remain events than almost everyone else and the only people to accuse him of lying have an agenda. Labour were destroyed by the rebels turning onwards instead of attacking the Tories at their weakest. Their failure is firmly in the hands of Benn and co. |
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Why? Prior to the Chicken Coup, Labour were virtually neck on neck with the Tories. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry didn't seem to be such a problem then. It's almost like the Eagle-Smith challenge turned a lot off people off, and the simultaneous appearance of Theresa May seemed an attractive option
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...neral_election Jeremy Corbyn has received a significant boost from a new opinion poll which gives Labour a slender lead for the first time since he replaced Ed Miliband. The YouGov poll for The Times put Labour on 34 per cent and the Tories on 33 per cent and also showed plunging ratings for George Osborne, the Chancellor, in the aftermath of a Budget judged “unfair” for the first time since his 2012 “omnishambles”. http://labourlist.org/2016/03/shock-...unfair-budget/ Furthermore Labour have been keeping fairly quiet about their leader over the last few months and they are still behind by 16, 17 or 18 points behind your party. You're in a dreamworld, I'm afraid. |
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I think we get it that you don't believe any of the numerous opinion polls, whether commissioned by papers like the Guardian, or coming from various companies. The one thing we can say about the polls is that when it comes to actual voting they tend to underestimate the Tory / right wing vote.
Never under-estimate 'the Corbyn effect', and by that I mean the anti-Corbyn vote. People expected him (and the likes of Abbott) to have gone by now and perhaps someone sensible to be in charge of the opposition. But there he is, still in charge and fantasising about Trident, so voting intention has hardened against Labour. You can add in Labour's hideous performance during Brexit, when no one from the then front bench excelled, coming across as strident (Eagle), lying about what they really believed (Corbyn) or snobby (Thornberry). The only polls I believe are the proper ones, i.e. the actual election total, or referendum total, as they show how people have voted, there is no chance of people living there, as they do to polling companies. Polls are a complete waste of time, effort and money, I have no idea why people take a shred of notice what these companies say. |
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You keep on spouting this, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny I'm afraid. There were 3 polls just after the March budget that put Labour slightly ahead, but 5 polls in the same period putting the Conservatives 5 or more points ahead. Prior to this period there were recent polls with the Conservatives up to 14 points ahead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...neral_election Jeremy Corbyn has received a significant boost from a new opinion poll which gives Labour a slender lead for the first time since he replaced Ed Miliband. The YouGov poll for The Times put Labour on 34 per cent and the Tories on 33 per cent and also showed plunging ratings for George Osborne, the Chancellor, in the aftermath of a Budget judged “unfair” for the first time since his 2012 “omnishambles”. http://labourlist.org/2016/03/shock-...unfair-budget/ Furthermore Labour have been keeping fairly quiet about their leader over the last few months and they are still behind by 16, 17 or 18 points behind your party. You're in a dreamworld, I'm afraid. |
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Labour were destroyed by the rebels turning onwards instead of attacking the Tories at their weakest. Their failure is firmly in the hands of Benn and co.
p.s. do you think the Tories will ever poll below 40%?
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Oh dear more fantasy numbers, can anyone join in with this, and can we all just think of a number of of the top of our heads??!
The polls may have been slightly wrong in the past but never this wrong. |
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Um I was answering someone who was using the same numbers to make a different point. Keep your fingers in your ears if it makes you feel better.
The polls may have been slightly wrong in the past but never this wrong. |
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Polling companies have had their day, for too long people took their numbers as Gospel, that simply should not be the case anymore.
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I guess the rebels thought their own party leadership was weaker than the Conservatives at that time. Are you in favour of MPs speaking their minds or lying and pretending to agree with a leader that they totally disagree with? Is the integrity of an MP in standing up for what they believe in not important to you?
p.s. do you think the Tories will ever poll below 40%? ![]() |
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Originally Posted by Laboutlist
The Tories have posted their highest lead over Labour for seven years, according to new research.
The government are also leading in every social group, including those least well off, and amongst all age groups apart from 18-24-year-olds. The Conservative score of 44 per cent in the Guardian/ICM poll is their best since October 2009, and only one point shy of their all time high in surveys carried out for the two companies. |
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We'll, most of the Tory MPs seem willing to lie and pretend to support everything May says. The Labour rebel MPs just showed total ineptitude in everything they did after the referendum in timing and tactics. That almost make Scottish Labour look competent (almost, but no-one can be as bad as Murphy / Dugdale etc).
And the electorate does not like divided political parties. The Conservative lead over Labour started when Cameron was PM and is continuing under May. Sadly we wont be treated to a picture of Corbyn at Castro's funeral. Jeremy Corbyn has turned down an invitation to attend the funeral of his Cuban Communist hero Fidel Castro. The Labour leader faced criticism for praising the revolutionary leader as 'a huge figure of modern history' in the wake of his death over the weekend. Following the backlash Mr Corbyn, a regular keynote speaker at the Cuba Solidarity Campaign for more than a decade, has decided to send Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry instead. Theresa May and Boris Johnson both snubbed their invitations and will instead send the Foreign Secretary's deputy - Sir Alan Duncan - to the funeral on Sunday. |
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With so much support for Castro and Cuba from Corbyn won't the Cuban's take it as a snub that Labour are sending Emily Thornberry instead?
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With so much support for Castro and Cuba from Corbyn won't the Cuban's take it as a snub that Labour are sending Emily Thornberry instead?
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Of course not, Thornberry is renowned for her respect for the working man.
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