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Old 04-12-2016, 11:37
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Unless these polling companies ask everyone in the country who is of voting age, (and I have never been asked before), then I don't see how a small sample size is relevant.
Then I suggest that you take a course in statistics. It might enlighten you.

Here you go. I've found one for you:

https://onlinecourses.science.psu.ed...rogram/stat506
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Old 04-12-2016, 12:19
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Worse for leadership shills, policies or PR gloss? Unfortunately he's trounced everyone in elections and no-one else has the guts to stand against him. Do you want another Blair / Cameron clone with lots of media appeal but no substance?
Obviously I don't want that, that's why I think Owen Smith would be worse.

It's a matter of our deep down human psyche. Theresa May is a complete cold bitch and it's an asset for the Conservatives.

Labour need an alpha male leader with socialist principles, preferably someone under 60 because age is an issue as well.

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I think things have turned around completely in the UK, it's like we are back in the 19th century.
Even the middle-class are feeling the pinch and are sick of "austerity".

A populist leader of the left with dominance issues would go down a storm.
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Old 04-12-2016, 12:21
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Unless these polling companies ask everyone in the country who is of voting age, (and I have never been asked before), then I don't see how a small sample size is relevant.

The only only poll that is relevant is the ones that actually show people who did vote, i.e. the referendum and the general election ones.
So why are you still posting on the Opinion Poll thread when you are so contemptuous of the Opinion Polls?
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Old 04-12-2016, 13:07
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A populist leader of the left with dominance issues would go down a storm.
As we prepare to exit the EU, the very last thing we need right now is more tax, borrow and spend.
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Old 04-12-2016, 18:28
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As we prepare to exit the EU, the very last thing we need right now is more tax, borrow and spend.
Unfortunately that's what the Conservatives are doing.
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Old 04-12-2016, 18:31
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Unfortunately that's what the Conservatives are doing.
OK then

What taxes would you cut

How much less would you borrow

What would be cut as a result of your lower tax income and borrowing
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Old 04-12-2016, 18:42
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OK then

What taxes would you cut

How much less would you borrow

What would be cut as a result of your lower tax income and borrowing
Number 1 cut would be Trident.
Tories have borrowed much more than Labour and increased VAT to 20%.
Labour had got the economy back in growth mode in 2010 with investment for growth, but that was destroyed by the economic illiteracy of Osborne and Cameron.
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:02
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Number 1 cut would be Trident.
So that is one to two billion a year. Where are you going to make the rest of your savings from ?


Tories have borrowed much more than Labour and increased VAT to 20%.
So you would have borrowed less then? How much less and where would your cuts have been


Labour had got the economy back in growth mode in 2010 with investment for growth, but that was destroyed by the economic illiteracy of Osborne and Cameron.
You do realise that most economic commentators say Osborne was basically following Darlings economic policy so quoting Labour to get yourself out of a hole doesn't work

Given your answers the Green Party (Scottish region) is probably the right place for you
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:39
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So that is one to two billion a year. Where are you going to make the rest of your savings from ?




So you would have borrowed less then? How much less and where would your cuts have been




You do realise that most economic commentators say Osborne was basically following Darlings economic policy so quoting Labour to get yourself out of a hole doesn't work

Given your answers the Green Party (Scottish region) is probably the right place for you
Your patronising attitude does you no favours. Six years of Tory policies have failed, we need something different. More of the same means more poverty, more food banks and more freezing pensioners. The Tories are economically incompetent, they have proved that again and the country is suffering.
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:42
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Your patronising attitude does you no favours. Six years of Tory policies have failed, we need something different. More of the same means more poverty, more food banks and more freezing pensioners. The Tories are economically incompetent, they have proved that again and the country is suffering.
Why not argue his points or accept defeat?
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:48
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Your patronising attitude does you no favours. Six years of Tory policies have failed, we need something different. More of the same means more poverty, more food banks and more freezing pensioners. The Tories are economically incompetent, they have proved that again and the country is suffering.
Well it didn't take long for you to resort to insults did it.

Poverty is less than it was when Labour left office.
Food banks started under Labour
Pensioners have had inflation busting rises for the last 6 years and so concerned are some pension experts by this that they now say the triple lock should be abandoned, guess they want the good old days of Gordon Brown's 75 pence pension increase.

And if you think record numbers in employment is a sign of economic incompetence then why were the Conservatives the natural party of Government throughout the 20th century?
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Old 04-12-2016, 20:14
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Why not argue his points or accept defeat?
How can I accept defeat when I'm right?
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Old 04-12-2016, 20:16
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Your patronising attitude does you no favours. Six years of Tory policies have failed, we need something different. More of the same means more poverty, more food banks and more freezing pensioners. The Tories are economically incompetent, they have proved that again and the country is suffering.
That's odd because I thought that Labour were against austerity

And poverty in the UK is on the decline:

"Over the longer-term, there has been a reduction in poverty rates since the late 1990s for children, pensioners and working-age parents"

http://researchbriefings.parliament....ummary/SN07096

More unsubstantiated rubbish.
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Old 04-12-2016, 20:20
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How can I accept defeat when I'm right?
How are you right and how is rrl wrong?

You did not argue any of his points you simply had a rant about the tories
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Old 04-12-2016, 21:07
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How can I accept defeat when I'm right?
Answer post 9283 properly and you'll be able to come out of this with some credibility.... over to you

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=9283
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:18
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Answer post 9283 properly and you'll be able to come out of this with some credibility.... over to you

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=9283
You haven't bothered to answer #9263, so you must be admitting you have no credibility.

Just because the Tory cheerleaders say something, does not mean they are right.

For instance, if there is less poverty, why are there about a million uses of food banks per year. Is that a sign of a booming economy?
How did Osborne's targets go? AAA rating, abolishing deficit etc.

If RRL thinks pointing out his patronising attitude is an insult, then they must have the thinnest skin on this forum.
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:22
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You haven't bothered to answer #9263, so you must be admitting you have no credibility.

Just because the Tory cheerleaders say something, does not mean they are right.

For instance, if there is less poverty, why are there about a million uses of food banks per year. Is that a sign of a booming economy?
How did Osborne's targets go? AAA rating, abolishing deficit etc.

If RRL thinks pointing out his patronising attitude is an insult, then they must have the thinnest skin on this forum.
Hopeless. You've been found out again. Your deflection proves it beyond doubt.
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:25
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You haven't bothered to answer #9263, so you must be admitting you have no credibility.

Just because the Tory cheerleaders say something, does not mean they are right.

For instance, if there is less poverty, why are there about a million uses of food banks per year. Is that a sign of a booming economy?
How did Osborne's targets go? AAA rating, abolishing deficit etc.

If RRL thinks pointing out his patronising attitude is an insult, then they must have the thinnest skin on this forum.
I would remind you that you are the one who started with the patronising attitude so I guess that makes you the one with the thinnest skin on the forum. Oh well I guess you can always press the alert button again and get the mods to give you a helping hand by imposing a ban or two.
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:25
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There is no doubt a large percentage of the public, maybe a majority, think the Conservative Party are doing the right thing.

I think it's down to our evolutionary past to believe that 'cutting back and waiting' is what to do when times are hard.

For animals it probably works, for modern humans it's the worse thing anyone can do. Cutting back merely slows the rate that you are getting poorer, it does not to halt it.
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:34
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I would remind you that you are the one who started with the patronising attitude so I guess that makes you the one with the thinnest skin on the forum. Oh well I guess you can always press the alert button again and get the mods to give you a helping hand by imposing a ban or two.
I only press the alert button when there are direct and very strong insults directed at me (once, well over a year ago) and for racist posts. I would never alert a political discussion, no matter how vehement it gets. That is not my style. For you to accuse me of that shows the paucity of your argument and I will no longer continue this discussion without an apology.
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:36
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I only press the alert button when there are direct and very strong insults directed at me (once, well over a year ago) and for racist posts. I would never alert a political discussion, no matter how vehement it gets. That is not my style. For you to accuse me of that shows the paucity of your argument and I will no longer continue this discussion without an apology.
I think you doth protest too much
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:38
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I think you doth protest too much
Rather than calling me a liar, how about discussing opinion polls on the opinion polls thread?
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Old 04-12-2016, 23:44
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Rather than calling me a liar, how about discussing opinion polls on the opinion polls thread?
I would remind you that you were the one that took the thread off topic at post #9280 (and not for the first time today either)
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Old 05-12-2016, 08:32
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Can we have our Opinion Polls thread back please?
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Old 05-12-2016, 11:17
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Obviously I don't want that, that's why I think Owen Smith would be worse.

It's a matter of our deep down human psyche. Theresa May is a complete cold bitch and it's an asset for the Conservatives.

Labour need an alpha male leader with socialist principles, preferably someone under 60 because age is an issue as well.

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I think things have turned around completely in the UK, it's like we are back in the 19th century.
Even the middle-class are feeling the pinch and are sick of "austerity".

A populist leader of the left with dominance issues would go down a storm.
So, a strong male leader is an "alpha male", whereas a strong female leader is a "complete cold bitch"?

And "labour need an alpha male leader". Seriously?

If your attitude is representative of the left I can only imagine it will be a long long time before we see a female labour leader.
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