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Nutall is going to target the North and he should do well there among Labour voters who voted leave.
He managed only 11% in his home town at the last GE so the task is huge. |
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Once voters realise that Nuttall is a hard line Tory his popularity won't last long.
He managed only 11% in his home town at the last GE so the task is huge. |
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Once voters realise that Nuttall is a hard line Tory his popularity won't last long.
He managed only 11% in his home town at the last GE so the task is huge. |
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But Labour was already losing votes in the North to UKIP before Nutall became leader. What was the reason for that?
Probably brexit but that's coming now |
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Probably brexit but that's coming now
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There is no signs to suggest a UKIP surge. It seems to be a myth that Labour voters have gone to them. Half those who voted to leave don't vote in general elections and probably never will. If UKIP were really on the rise why haven't they got more than a couple of MPs? they just cant break through unless its via deflections.
I think Labour should just have the guts to come out and say they are running on a 2020 platform to remain in the EU. At least that makes them have a leading policy. There was 15 million people who voted to Remain and that figure could well be higher now in hindsight. Those voters will have to go somewhere. Which is why the Lib Dems are far more likely to now hoover up the Labour vote in the North than UKIP are. |
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There is no signs to suggest a UKIP surge. It seems to be a myth that Labour voters have gone to them. Half those who voted to leave don't vote in general elections and probably never will. If UKIP were really on the rise why haven't they got more than a couple of MPs? they just cant break through unless its via deflections.
I think Labour should just have the guts to come out and say they are running on a 2020 platform to remain in the EU. At least that makes them have a leading policy. There was 15 million people who voted to Remain and that figure could well be higher now in hindsight. Those voters will have to go somewhere. Which is why the Lib Dems are far more likely to now hoover up the Labour vote in the North than UKIP are. |
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What after May has triggered Article 40? That makes no sense at all. Once Article 40 is triggered we are on our way out.
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There is a psychic who has predicted a lot of politic and world events very accurately and he even predicted Trumps win. He seems to believe May is going to find herself in an impossible position come March which could trigger an early election.
Not that I really believe in these things but his success rate is quite something. |
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Bring back my post in June
![]() If you don't I will ![]() What was that someone said about not listening to experts
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Well it won't do you any good as it is not article 40 (that relates to foreign and security policy) it is article 50
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Looks dodgy for Nutall in the north Lab 34% Con 33 UKIP 16 LD 12 Green 2 Quote:
Nutall is going to target the North and he should do well there among Labour voters who voted leave.
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No not Brexit, many Labour voters in the North voted to Leave and they are turning to UKIP ad away from Labour because Corbyn was pro-Remain.
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One thing I respect UKIP supporters for is their unbounded optimism in the face of overwhelming evidence.
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What are you basing this on?
Labour’s Future, Why Labour Lost in 2015 and How it Can Win Again, to be published this week, says the party is losing socially conservative voters to Ukip in droves, while appealing most to metropolitan liberals who tend to be better off and to have been to university. Labour’s major challenge, the report argues, is to find a way to rebuild a coalition of support. It needs to “stop patronising socially conservative Ukip voters and recognise the ways in which Ukip appeals to former Labour voters”, the report says, adding: “Labour is becoming a toxic brand. It is perceived by voters as a party that supports an ‘open door’ approach to immigration, lacks credibility on the economy, and is a ‘soft touch’ on welfare spending.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-immigration |
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The interviews I have seen with people saying that they were Labour but are turning to UKIP, the fact that Corbyn is pro-EU and Labour's diminishing poll ratings and the loss of their deposit in a recent by election and Cridas's review of Labour's fortunes.
Labour’s Future, Why Labour Lost in 2015 and How it Can Win Again, to be published this week, says the party is losing socially conservative voters to Ukip in droves, while appealing most to metropolitan liberals who tend to be better off and to have been to university. Labour’s major challenge, the report argues, is to find a way to rebuild a coalition of support. It needs to “stop patronising socially conservative Ukip voters and recognise the ways in which Ukip appeals to former Labour voters”, the report says, adding: “Labour is becoming a toxic brand. It is perceived by voters as a party that supports an ‘open door’ approach to immigration, lacks credibility on the economy, and is a ‘soft touch’ on welfare spending.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-immigration |
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The interviews I have seen with people saying that they were Labour but are turning to UKIP, the fact that Corbyn is pro-EU and Labour's diminishing poll ratings and the loss of their deposit in a recent by election and Cridas's review of Labour's fortunes.
Labour’s Future, Why Labour Lost in 2015 and How it Can Win Again, to be published this week, says the party is losing socially conservative voters to Ukip in droves, while appealing most to metropolitan liberals who tend to be better off and to have been to university. Labour’s major challenge, the report argues, is to find a way to rebuild a coalition of support. It needs to “stop patronising socially conservative Ukip voters and recognise[/b] [b]the ways in which Ukip appeals to former Labour voters”, the report says, adding: “Labour is becoming a toxic brand. It is perceived by voters as a party that supports an ‘open door’ approach to immigration, lacks credibility on the economy, and is a ‘soft touch’ on welfare spending.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics...re-immigration ![]() I think you mean he's pro-freedom of movement - which is the crux of the problem for Labour in the North. |
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So not a lot
Do you honestly believe that Labour's position in the North is strong? |
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I thought Corbyn was anti-EU? There was a leadership election about it and everything
![]() I think you mean he's pro-freedom of movement - which is the crux of the problem for Labour in the North. |
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Another yougov with fieldwork 3-4th Jan
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...Trackers_W.pdf UK as a whole Con 39% Lab 26 LD 10 UKIP 14 Green 4 SNP / PC 6 Scotland Con 20 Lab 16 LD 8 UKIP 2 Green 3 SNP 51 North Con 32% Lab 38 LD 8 UKIP 17 (Nutall doing really well then) Green 4 Is the government doing a good job on Brexit? Doing Well 20% Doing badly 57% |
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Another yougov with fieldwork 3-4th Jan
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...Trackers_W.pdf North Con 32% Lab 38 LD 8 UKIP 17 (Nutall doing really well then) Green 4 Some other Questions Which of the following do you think would make the best Prime Minister? May 47% (+3) Corbyn 14% (-2) Not Sure 39% (-2) Only 49% of current Labour voters said Corbyn and just 29% of GE2015 Labour voters. Best for Issues (Parties not listed fall below 9%) NHS CON 20% LAB 28% Immigration CON 22% LAB 13% UKIP 21% Economy CON 33% LAB 15% BREXIT CON 24% LAB 9% UKIP 15% Do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the EU? Right 47% (+3) Wrong 43% (-1) Do you think Britain will be economically better or worse off after we leave? Better 29% (+2) Worse 37 (-4) No Diff 19% (=) |
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Another yougov with fieldwork 3-4th Jan
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.ne...Trackers_W.pdf UK as a whole Con 39% Lab 26 LD 10 UKIP 14 Green 4 SNP / PC 6 Scotland Con 20 Lab 16 LD 8 UKIP 2 Green 3 SNP 51 North Con 32% Lab 38 LD 8 UKIP 17 (Nutall doing really well then) Green 4 Is the government doing a good job on Brexit? Doing Well 20% Doing badly 57% |
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