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Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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Jilly
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“Even if Clegg does cling on in his constituency I think he will be removed by the party within short order after having led them to a trouncing and halving their MP's. The thought that the Lib Dems having been halved in seats and seen a vote collapse yet could still cling on into a coalition and wield any power in those circumstances really feels morally wrong even if the electoral arithmatic allows for it. It would be a disgraceful state of affairs.

This election looks set to produce very many unpalatable outcomes. Democracy eh!”

Not so bad as losing all your seats in one country!
MARTYM8
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Jilly:
“Most of them probably will not vote.”

Totally agree - it's not a student seat primarily but a prosperous middle class leafy suburb.

I find it hard to believe Labour will win Hallam - if all those students saying they were voting to pollsters had actually voted in 2010 the LDs would have won more seats.
Barney06
29-04-2015
Also from that poll , 30% who voted Lib Dem in 2010 will vote Labour this time
31% of Tory voters in 2010 will vote Lib Dem this time .


Have a feeling Clegg will just hang on
Hildaonpluto
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by MARTYM8:
“Totally agree - it's not a student seat primarily but a prosperous middle class leafy suburb.

I find it hard to believe Labour will win Hallam - if all those students saying they were voting to pollsters had actually voted in 2010 the LDs would have won more seats.”

Not necessarily so under FPTP
MattXfactor
29-04-2015
Clegg will hang on I believe but that poll is worrying.
Amanda_Raymond
29-04-2015
Comres poll see's Labour leading by 3 per cent on their top 50 Tory target seats
Rich Tea.
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Jilly:
“Not so bad as losing all your seats in one country!”

Our one country is called the United Kingdom!
Living4Love
29-04-2015
Apparently Clegg has hardly been up in Hallam whereas Coppard has been walking the streets and knocking on doors daily. If the Lib Dems want to keep that seat maybe they should get Clegg there. I understand he is leader of the party so has duties he needs to attend to but his people want to see him yet where is he?!
heiker
29-04-2015
Won't it be ironic if Clegg hangs on to his seat because of FPTP
Jilly
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“Our one country is called the United Kingdom! ”

So Scotland is not a country
northantsgirl
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Jilly:
“Not so bad as losing all your seats in one country!”

Well the Tories haven't helped themselves have they- no wonder their last seat in Scotland is likely to be lost.
Radiomike
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by northantsgirl:
“Well the Tories haven't helped themselves have they- no wonder their last seat in Scotland is likely to be lost.”

I think Jilly may be referring to the Scottish poll out today showing SNP with a 34% lead over LAB and which, if it was repeated on the day, would see LAB lose all its seats in Scotland.

I think there would be some significant issues going forward if we see any or all of CON LAB and LD effectively wiped out north of the border.
iain_stevenson1
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Ellie_Arbuckle:
“People are talking about swings back to the Tories yet every poll is within the margin of error something the same posters are very quick to point out each time Labour leads one of them

I also think the Scottish polls are not to be taken too seriously at this point. It seems very hard to believe 20 year old SNP canidates could potentially win over a 20 year long serving Labour MPs.

Apparently admitting you support Labour in Scotland now is almost as bad as admitting you vote Tory so I think Labour will manage to keep at least 10 seats if not more.”

we didn't think Portillo would lose in 1997 either...
tiger2000
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Jilly:
“Not so bad as losing all your seats in one country!”

The Conservatives already did that in 1997!
THOMO
29-04-2015
It can be a very dangerous situation when you get one political party dominating one country just as the Scottish National Party now seem to be doing in Scotland, as it seems it could become a one party state.
Ian.
tiger2000
29-04-2015
NCP Tweet hints that tomorrow's MORI/Standard poll shows a Tory lead for the first time since last December.

https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK
vauxhall1964
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by THOMO:
“It can be a very dangerous situation when you get one political party dominating one country just as the Scottish National Party now seem to be doing in Scotland, as it seems it could become a one party state.
Ian.”

which is spectacularly missing the point that the SNP does not support the electoral system that makes this even possible. If it's one party states (local or national) that you worry about you will want to ditch the First Past the Post system in favour of PR (like they have in the Scottish parliament elections).
Jilly
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by northantsgirl:
“Well the Tories haven't helped themselves have they- no wonder their last seat in Scotland is likely to be lost.”

The most recent poll, done by Mori, puts the Conservatives 3% behind Labour, who would have believed it.
MARTYM8
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by heiker:
“Won't it be ironic if Clegg hangs on to his seat because of FPTP ”

Everyone who wins a seat next week wins under FPTP. A shame for Clegg it's not AV - he would win by a landslide.

In the end a lot of Tories will hold their nose and vote for him - they won't want a Labour MP as it will drive down house prices. If Hyacinth Bucket lived in Sheffield she would live in the Hallam constituency.
Amanda_Raymond
29-04-2015
Tories will probably go into election day with a 3 or 4 point lead on polls, but it will more like 1 or 2 per cent on the exit poll
PrincessPerfect
29-04-2015
Thing about Clegg is that it looks as though he's already attracted many Tories to tactically vote for him anyway - from the Ashcroft projections it looks at though the Tories have lost 9% of their vote to the LDs, and Clegg is still behind Labour, that's quite telling. I've also heard that Hallam apparently isn't a constituency where the student vote has much influence - it's fairly posh, middle class place.

I wouldn't be surprised to MORI show a Tory lead, I think they've got a small lead over Lab now. The problem will be, IMHO is that after the elections piecing together the numbers to make a viable government will be an absolute nightmare for everyone.
Amanda_Raymond
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“Thing about Clegg is that it looks as though he's already attracted many Tories to tactically vote for him anyway - from the Ashcroft projections it looks at though the Tories have lost 9% of their vote to the LDs, and Clegg is still behind Labour, that's quite telling. I've also heard that Hallam apparently isn't a constituency where the student vote has much influence - it's fairly posh, middle class place.

I wouldn't be surprised to MORI show a Tory lead, I think they've got a small lead over Lab now. The problem will be, IMHO is that after the elections piecing together the numbers to make a viable government will be an absolute nightmare for everyone.”

If Lib Dems do lose half their seats as polls sugggest there's a possibility that whoever's left of the lib dems might not want to do another coalition with Torys
Jason C
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“Tories will probably go into election day with a 3 or 4 point lead on polls, but it will more like 1 or 2 per cent on the exit poll”

And, of course, it's how the lead translates to seats won that really matters.
PrincessPerfect
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“If Lib Dems do lose half their seats as polls sugggest there's a possibility that whoever's left of the lib dems might not want to do another coalition with Torys”

I think it's absolutely vital for Cameron's hopes of being PM that Clegg is elected in Hallam. If he's not, with other sympathizer Danny Alexander likely to be a goner in Inverness many of the LDs who aren't Jeremy Browne I think won't be quite keen to be in a Con/Lib coalition. Cameron's worst nightmare will be Farron, who would probably run a marathon before signing up to another Con/Lib coalition.
Amanda_Raymond
29-04-2015
Ipsi-Mori poll tomorrow, their last poll before the exit poll right?
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