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Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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Amanda_Raymond
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“I think it's absolutely vital for Cameron's hopes of being PM that Clegg is elected in Hallam. If he's not, with other sympathizer Danny Alexander likely to be a goner in Inverness many of the LDs who aren't Jeremy Browne I think won't be quite keen to be in a Con/Lib coalition. Cameron's worst nightmare will be Farron, who would probably run a marathon before signing up to another Con/Lib coalition.”

Even if he does survive he could have a mutiny on his hands
PrincessPerfect
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“Even if he does survive he could have a mutiny on his hands”

Well, I've said previously that even if Clegg (as I suspect he will, given it looks as though Cameron will get the popular vote/most seats, and is the sitting PM) moves to form a coalition with Cameron, he'll have to get that through a federal executive committee and parliamentary party. They would have seen on May 8th how their association, fairly on unfairly with the Conservatives (as well as that tuition fee promise, Clegg's own unpopularity) toxify their brand to such an extend they are decimated. And that could well affect LD willingness to get into another coalition.
marke09
29-04-2015
Apparently tomorrows ipsos Mori poll is a corker - can't link the tweet at no as I'm on mobile - to be unveiled at 8.30 am
Chirpy_Chicken
29-04-2015
I really think this poll shift is purely done to the SNP factor.
MartinP
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Apparently tomorrows ipsos Mori poll is a corker - can't link the tweet at no as I'm on mobile - to be unveiled at 8.30 am”

One man's corker is another man's outlier
PrestonAl
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 3m3 minutes ago

South Thanet constituency poll (Ashcroft):
CON - 34%
UKIP - 32%
LAB - 26%
GRN - 4%
LAB - 3%”

He's no longer as far behind!

Also, it seems that Ashcroft has noticed a pickup in tactical voting of tories for LibDems in Lab/Lib marginals!
PrestonAl
29-04-2015
BMG Poll - CON 35%, LAB 32%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 14%, GRN 3%
(not sure who they are, or if it's even been reported)
Jason C
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by PrestonAl:
“BMG Poll - CON 35%, LAB 32%, LDEM 11%, UKIP 14%, GRN 3%
(not sure who they are, or if it's even been reported)”

BMG are a market research company who conducted the poll for the New Statesman election site May2015.com.

As it seems to have been the first political poll they've done - certainly around this election - I'd be wary.
Boyard
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by PrestonAl:
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Also, it seems that Ashcroft has noticed a pickup in tactical voting of tories for LibDems in Lab/Lib marginals!”

Disgraceful behaviour.
Chirpy_Chicken
29-04-2015
I think this corker will be a 5/6% Tory lead. I start to get a strong feeling that the tories are going to win a small majority
PrincessPerfect
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Chirpy_Chicken:
“I think this corker will be a 5/6% Tory lead. I start to get a strong feeling that the tories are going to win a small majority”

The Tories need a 7% lead or more to win a majority - and given that even 7% wasn't enough last time round, it may well that they'll an 8% lead to have a majority. I personally think the 5-6 Conservatives leads are too on the high side, and won't actually come to fruition in an election - I think the Tories high-water mark on May 8th will most likely be a 3-4 point lead over Lab, and that they'll be the largest party in a hung parliament. But if Labour can't even win a majority, then tbh I doubt the Tories will, especially if Ashcroft's marginal polling is correct with a 3% Lab swing. The Tories also have to gain more seats than they currently have, and I think that's quite unlikely.
Jilly
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Boyard:
“Disgraceful behaviour.”

Everybody has the right to use their vote how they want.
Jilly
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“The Tories need a 7% lead or more to win a majority - and given that even 7% wasn't enough last time round, it may well that they'll an 8% lead to have a majority. I personally think the 5-6 Conservatives leads are too on the high side, and won't actually come to fruition in an election - I think the Tories high-water mark on May 8th will most likely be a 3-4 point lead over Lab, and that they'll be the largest party in a hung parliament. But if Labour can't even win a majority, then tbh I doubt the Tories will, especially if Ashcroft's marginal polling is correct with a 3% Lab swing. The Tories also have to gain more seats than they currently have, and I think that's quite unlikely.”

You cannot compare this to last time when Labour could lose all their seats in Scotland.
carnoch04
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Jilly:
“You cannot compare this to last time when Labour could lose all their seats in Scotland.”

But they are losing them all to a party who will only support Miliband for PM so they are not totally "lost".
PrincessPerfect
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Jilly:
“You cannot compare this to last time when Labour could lose all their seats in Scotland.”

Even Labour losing all their seats in Scotland generally shows projections of the Tories as the largest party in a hung parliament, rather than having a majority - I've yet to see a projection (other than the Ashcroft one on Monday) that shows the Tories gaining 326 seats. It's 302, at most, and on average it seems it'll be 285-295 with Lab between 260-270. And Ashcroft's poll that day would have us believe that UKIP won't have any MPs in the Commons on May 8th, which is extremely unlikely.
oathy
29-04-2015
The corker Comment is ominous
carnoch04
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Apparently tomorrows ipsos Mori poll is a corker - can't link the tweet at no as I'm on mobile - to be unveiled at 8.30 am”

Who is the poll for? 8:30 misses the papers and most of the morning news show. Seems a strange time to release a poll.
PrincessPerfect
29-04-2015
Wow, ComRes have just thrown a spanner in the works - Con and Lab tied, at 35%. I never thought any phone poll (bar MORI) would show a decent position for Labour in the remainder of this campaign.
oathy
29-04-2015
Latest Comes poll (27 - 28):
CON - 35% (-1)
LAB - 35 (+3)
UKIP - 11% (+1)
LDEM - 7% (-1)
GRN - 6% (+1)
Tassium
29-04-2015
An aspect of human psychology: all polls still showing a statistical dead heat but apparently very soon we have the one true poll from Ipsos-Mori that will show the way.

In fact the outlier is far less likely to be accurate.

"It's a corker". Actually no, it's irrelevant.
Amanda_Raymond
29-04-2015
That Comres poll very interesting, as tories have had 5 point lead or so in previous ones
wizzywick
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“That Comres poll very interesting, as tories have had 5 point lead or so in previous ones”

Most polls seem to be showing The Tories pretty static at around 34-35% but show Labour either going up or going down like a yoyo. Could the MiliBrand coverage have boosted Labour a little? It could also suggest that more people have pretty much decided to vote Tory but are more uncertain about Labour.
pixel_pixel
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Chirpy_Chicken:
“I think this corker will be a 5/6% Tory lead. I start to get a strong feeling that the tories are going to win a small majority”

I find this highly, highly unlikely.
Annsyre
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by Boyard:
“Disgraceful behaviour.”

How can conducting a poll be disgraceful?
FusionFury
29-04-2015
Originally Posted by PrestonAl:
“He's no longer as far behind!

Also, it seems that Ashcroft has noticed a pickup in tactical voting of tories for LibDems in Lab/Lib marginals!”

A little behind.. we've known this for ages.
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