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Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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apaul
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I am a little suspicious about the BBC's management of the election coverage. For instance, is it fair that Miliband is appearing on two BBC interviews this week? Once this morning on Today and another tomorrow? Cameron will not feature in any more interviews. Is this the first time that Leaders Interviews have been conducted during election week itself?

Cameron is a bit of a muppet though - he is quite often caught out on things. It isn't anything new. I think we have to give the public a bit more credit for using their own intelligence when it comes to making decisions regarding their opinion on this. In my opinion Scrivens came across as bitter and twisted, and perhaps the press/media should ask Clegg if it is true?”

It's not the broadcasters' fault if Cameron won't face interviewers and engage in public debate but only speak to tame audiences in factories.
wizzywick
04-05-2015
Wow. The behaviour of those Scottish SNP supporters towards Jim Murphy and Eddie Izzard was absolutely disgusting. That is not democracy. It is abhorent anarchy. This is what we have to look forward to is it?

(Just seen it on BBC News).
apaul
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Amanda_Raymond:
“Someone on the guardian worked out that as it was only 500 people sampled it read 200 said Clegg and 170 said Coppard. Only 30 more for Clegg and a phone vote”

500 is quite a large sample for a constituency poll.
Annsyre
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Ellie_Arbuckle:
“I read on Facebook Coppard has been out everyday for the past 3 weeks on the streets and knocking on people's doors while Clegg has been no where to be seen.”

Coppard isn't the leader of a Party and hasn't got to travel the length and breadth of the country on a daily basis.

I have seen plenty of Clegg all over the place on my TV screen.
wizzywick
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by apaul:
“It's not the broadcasters' fault if Cameron won't face interviewers and engage in public debate but only speak to tame audiences in factories.”

No one should be interviewed during election week. It could be perceived as giving favourable advantages to some over others. After Sunday, where ALL candidates should have been interviewed, no one should have been.
Annsyre
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Zeus:
“A bad start to the week for Cameron. I'm not so much thinking of Russell Brand's incident on the road to Damascus, but Lord Scriven's little pearl wouldn't have done much to shore up trust in him.”

On a sunny Bank Holiday Monday Scrivens is an irrelevance.
Ellie_Arbuckle
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“Coppard isn't the leader of a Party and hasn't got to travel the length and breadth of the country on a daily basis.

I have seen plenty of Clegg all over the place on my TV screen.”

And your point is?

Doris has had 3 cups of tea with Coppard and thinks he is a lovely man who cares about her community.

She hasn't seen Clegg anywhere other than on TV yet he is expecting her to vote for him..
James2001
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Wow. The behaviour of those Scottish SNP supporters towards Jim Murphy and Eddie Izzard was absolutely disgusting. That is not democracy. It is abhorent anarchy. This is what we have to look forward to is it?

(Just seen it on BBC News).”

Not good for the SNP either for this to be all over the news 3 days before the election!
Hildaonpluto
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Annsyre:
“On a sunny Bank Holiday Monday Scrivens is an irrelevance.”

Maybe tomorrow then..?
carnoch04
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by James2001:
“Not good for the SNP either for this to be all over the news 3 days before the election!”

Those in question were SNP voters but NOT members of the party. No party can, or should, be held responsible for any nutter who puts a cross in their box on a ballot paper.
wizzywick
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Maybe tomorrow then..?”

I think what it demonstrates is that politicians from all parties have absolutely no scruples. If they had the statesman dignity they would be telling us how wonderful their policies are without all having to berate, lie, break confidences and be personal towards each other. If Cameron said that to Clegg in private, so what? It was private. I wonder what private things Clegg said to Cameron? Perhaps now we'll find out.

Although I'd rather we had politicians who were decent, honest people rather than the types we have now, because if any of the politicians were employed in the private sector and behaved as they are behaving now, they would be fired.
wizzywick
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by carnoch04:
“Those in question were SNP voters but NOT members of the party. No party can, or should, be held responsible for any nutter who puts a cross in their box on a ballot paper.”

Regardless as to who they are, it is unacceptable. The SNP should publicly condemn them because it will only lead to even more concerns South of the Border.
FMKK
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Regardless as to who they are, it is unacceptable. The SNP should publicly condemn them because it will only lead to even more concerns South of the Border.”

The whole thing seems like a storm in a teacup to me, though Sturgeon probably will say that people should be well behaved. The reality is, 40 or so people were standing in the street and then 5 nutters started shouting at the shouting people. The reporting would make one think that there was a riot that shut down the city.
Jason C
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Regardless as to who they are, it is unacceptable. The SNP should publicly condemn them because it will only lead to even more concerns South of the Border.”

They have.

Quote:
“"I take a very strong view that anybody in an election is allowed to campaign without being abused and these people weren't acting on behalf of the SNP. This is a fantastic election campaign and we should all be out there putting forward positive messages and engaging positively with the people of Scotland."”

carnoch04
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Regardless as to who they are, it is unacceptable. The SNP should publicly condemn them because it will only lead to even more concerns South of the Border.”

They did. On the news. Immediately after the "scuffle" was shown.
wizzywick
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“They have.”

Excellent. I am pleased about that.
smudges dad
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Regardless as to who they are, it is unacceptable. The SNP should publicly condemn them because it will only lead to even more concerns South of the Border.”

Nicola Sturgeon did straight away.

I would have thought Jim Murphy would be able to defend himself from 4 protesters, with all his supporters surrounding him. Have you seen the zoomed out photos of the incident?
carnoch04
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“Nicola Sturgeon did straight away.

I would have thought Jim Murphy would be able to defend himself from 4 protesters, with all his supporters surrounding him. Have you seen the zoomed out photos of the incident?”

I would like to see them. Do you have a link?

ETA: I have just seen them. Priceless!
wizzywick
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“Nicola Sturgeon did straight away.

I would have thought Jim Murphy would be able to defend himself from 4 protesters, with all his supporters surrounding him. Have you seen the zoomed out photos of the incident?”

I haven't seen anything other than the News. But anyone facing any number of angry people face to face will find it intimidating and unnerving. It wouldn't do Jim Murphy any good at all if he lashed out at the protestors.

It was nice to learn though that Nicola Sturgeon condemned it. That is to her credit.
MC_Satan
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by carnoch04:
“I would like to see them. Do you have a link?

ETA: I have just seen them. Priceless!”

It's hardly George Square the day after the indyref.
Zeus
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I think what it demonstrates is that politicians from all parties have absolutely no scruples. If they had the statesman dignity they would be telling us how wonderful their policies are without all having to berate, lie, break confidences and be personal towards each other. If Cameron said that to Clegg in private, so what? It was private. I wonder what private things Clegg said to Cameron? Perhaps now we'll find out.

Although I'd rather we had politicians who were decent, honest people rather than the types we have now, because if any of the politicians were employed in the private sector and behaved as they are behaving now, they would be fired.”

Scrivens definitely got his hands dirty. He professed outrage at Cameron's statement in the Telegraph, but he knows the difference between the public and private arena. He was most likely put up to it. Politics,unfortunately, is not a decent, honest game.
smudges dad
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I haven't seen anything other than the News. But anyone facing any number of angry people face to face will find it intimidating and unnerving. It wouldn't do Jim Murphy any good at all if he lashed out at the protestors.

It was nice to learn though that Nicola Sturgeon condemned it. That is to her credit.”

I saw it on FB, possibly the National's website. 4 protesters, 30 Labour and 20 press/ media. The media will always show you what they want you to see, not the whole picture.
Fudd
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by PrincessPerfect:
“I think you are seriously underestimating the Tory right - they have shown just how much they will actively undermine a government in the 1990s. That this lot, according to the Guardian are intending to draw out negotiations to extract right-wing concessions from Cameron, to 'undermine' what they see as an already weakened leadership says everything. But the biggest bare-bugger for right-wingers will be that they have to ''endure'' Cameron's attempt at detoxifying the Conservatives while not getting a majority government. I think they'd be more than happy to get rid of Cameron, and for matter Osborne - whose influence they seriously despise - and have a leader closer to their own image.”

The eradication of the 1922 Committee's control over the Conservatives will be the Clause IV moment. As said, until they do that it will be very difficult for the public to vote outright for a Conservative government.
TelevisionUser
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“Nicola Sturgeon did straight away.

I would have thought Jim Murphy would be able to defend himself from 4 protesters,
with all his supporters surrounding him. Have you seen the zoomed out photos of the incident?”

It was quite clear from the TV coverage that the bunch of thugs was certainly larger than that. There is no place for aggression like that in civilised politics.

Back to the polls and in this case it's some of Lord Ashcroft's very recent marginal constituency polls:

Battersea - Conservatives leading - no change: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/05/battersea/

North Cornwall - Lib Dems leading - no change: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/05/north-cornwall-3/

Norwich North - Labour now ahead: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/05/norwich-north-2/

Peterborough - Labour now ahead: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/05/peterborough/

Wirral West - Labour now ahead: http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/05/wirral-west/
FMKK
04-05-2015
Originally Posted by smudges dad:
“I saw it on FB, possibly the National's website. 4 protesters, 30 Labour and 20 press/ media. The media will always show you what they want you to see, not the whole picture.”

That's the case for so many of these phoney election "rallies." Get about 20-30 true believers to stand around with placards and get the photographers to stand in tight to make it look like the place is packed out. A sign of the lack of enthusiasm around the parties.
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