Originally Posted by Bathsheba:
“Oh great. A storyline to keep the rapist on our screens.”
“Oh great. A storyline to keep the rapist on our screens.”
My thoughts exactly.
Eastenders on the Daily Star front page: 'Shocker for Shirl'
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Originally Posted by Yoshi Fan:
“My thoughts exactly.”
“My thoughts exactly.
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Maybe this story will be part of the rape conclusion and Dean will leave in the next few months?
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“Maybe this story will be part of the rape conclusion and Dean will leave in the next few months?”
“Maybe this story will be part of the rape conclusion and Dean will leave in the next few months?
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Hopefully!
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“BIB: In her eyes, she isn't supporting a rapist. Shirley, Buster and Denise believe Dean - so they aren't actively supporting a rapist, they think he is innocent. Though I wish the truth about Dean would come out now - maybe it will come out during this storyline - we thought they were wanting Dean to stay for the Roya reveal - if it is coming earlier, maybe he won't be staying as long?”
“BIB: In her eyes, she isn't supporting a rapist. Shirley, Buster and Denise believe Dean - so they aren't actively supporting a rapist, they think he is innocent. Though I wish the truth about Dean would come out now - maybe it will come out during this storyline - we thought they were wanting Dean to stay for the Roya reveal - if it is coming earlier, maybe he won't be staying as long?”
Maybe this storyline will lead to Dean's comeuppance.
Originally Posted by Living4Love:
“I have a feeling its going to turn out Dean raped Shabnam and the only reason he has sent Shirley looking for the child is to try and prove its a lie only for Shirley to discover its the truth.
DTC said the rape plot was concluding and would reach a shocking end. I can't see how the rape can conclude unless Dean leaves because non of the Carters are going to be able to move on with that happened while he is still there.”
“I have a feeling its going to turn out Dean raped Shabnam and the only reason he has sent Shirley looking for the child is to try and prove its a lie only for Shirley to discover its the truth.
DTC said the rape plot was concluding and would reach a shocking end. I can't see how the rape can conclude unless Dean leaves because non of the Carters are going to be able to move on with that happened while he is still there.”
This sounds good.
The lack of Shabnam mention makes me wonder if she wants the child looked for or if she's been over-ruled by Dean/Shirley and Masood on this.
Also wonder what this means for her relationship with Kush. Not that I buy that as a great love affair considering her extreme bunny boiler tendencies but I suspect once her secret is known that she might lay off on that a bit since she won't have to tr and be perfect anymore.
Also wonder what this means for her relationship with Kush. Not that I buy that as a great love affair considering her extreme bunny boiler tendencies but I suspect once her secret is known that she might lay off on that a bit since she won't have to tr and be perfect anymore.
Originally Posted by GeekInfected:
“Where's Dean in all of this? Dead I hope. I hope this Roya has had a name change and is living with a loving family and Shabnam, Shirley or Dean can't get their grubby mitts on her. They don't deserve to snatch her back like Sonia did Rebecca.”
“Where's Dean in all of this? Dead I hope. I hope this Roya has had a name change and is living with a loving family and Shabnam, Shirley or Dean can't get their grubby mitts on her. They don't deserve to snatch her back like Sonia did Rebecca.”
Meanwhile in soap world little Roya will be holed up in Shirley's grubby hideout before the end of the week.
Originally Posted by Living4Love:
“I have a feeling its going to turn out Dean raped Shabnam and the only reason he has sent Shirley looking for the child is to try and prove its a lie only for Shirley to discover its the truth.
DTC said the rape plot was concluding and would reach a shocking end. I can't see how the rape can conclude unless Dean leaves because non of the Carters are going to be able to move on with that happened while he is still there. If EE even tried to attempt making Dean and Mick have a relationship further down the line it would be far fetched and stupid to viewers intelligence.”
“I have a feeling its going to turn out Dean raped Shabnam and the only reason he has sent Shirley looking for the child is to try and prove its a lie only for Shirley to discover its the truth.
DTC said the rape plot was concluding and would reach a shocking end. I can't see how the rape can conclude unless Dean leaves because non of the Carters are going to be able to move on with that happened while he is still there. If EE even tried to attempt making Dean and Mick have a relationship further down the line it would be far fetched and stupid to viewers intelligence.”
Like that isn't every day stuff with soaps. You really should be used to it by now.
Originally Posted by GeekInfected:
“Sounds like it'll be Masoods + Shirley.”
“Sounds like it'll be Masoods + Shirley.”
It doesn't sound like they will be working together, though I wish they were. I like Shirley/Masood scenes, we've had only had a handful over the years but I would like to see them work together rather than be pitted against each other.
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“It does make me laugh that on prev threads, Shirley abandoning her children is met with so much contempt from posters saying you shouldn't abandon your children while Shabnam abandoning her baby on a doorstep is met with 'poor Shabnam'. Nonsensical.
Also I wish people would stop jumping the gun. Shirley looks for Roya because Dean asks her too. The story is saying about Shirley looking because those are the 'exclusive pictures'. It also states that Masood, along with 'master' Jane also attempt to find Roya, however there is yet to be photos released. I think it will be nice to see Shirley interacting with the Masoods though, a story that's doesn't revolve around her family. We are forever talking about intergrating the Carters with others and when they do....they can't win. I am happy enough for Shirley to be involved - Linda Henry is a fantastic actress and I always enjoy Shirley scenes - she does get people talking!
Personally, I'm looking forward to this, I think it is far less contrived for them to look for Roya than for Roya to unexpectedly turn up, and if it was supposedly in the papers, I guess it wouldn't be overly hard to find out what happened to her...should be good, I'm not going to write it off as others have before it has even aired.
However I agree about Dean, but it seems that they will attempt to redeem him through Roya and give him a new purpose - I can't see why else they would make him a rapist and then a father.
And just on Shirley a moment, I can recount numerous stories where Shirley hasn't been involved at all - Who killed Lucy Beale?, Sharon finding her birth father, Phil vs Max, Nick/Charlie/Dot, Ronnie/Vincent and so on, so no, the show isn't all about her.”
“It does make me laugh that on prev threads, Shirley abandoning her children is met with so much contempt from posters saying you shouldn't abandon your children while Shabnam abandoning her baby on a doorstep is met with 'poor Shabnam'. Nonsensical.
Also I wish people would stop jumping the gun. Shirley looks for Roya because Dean asks her too. The story is saying about Shirley looking because those are the 'exclusive pictures'. It also states that Masood, along with 'master' Jane also attempt to find Roya, however there is yet to be photos released. I think it will be nice to see Shirley interacting with the Masoods though, a story that's doesn't revolve around her family. We are forever talking about intergrating the Carters with others and when they do....they can't win. I am happy enough for Shirley to be involved - Linda Henry is a fantastic actress and I always enjoy Shirley scenes - she does get people talking!
Personally, I'm looking forward to this, I think it is far less contrived for them to look for Roya than for Roya to unexpectedly turn up, and if it was supposedly in the papers, I guess it wouldn't be overly hard to find out what happened to her...should be good, I'm not going to write it off as others have before it has even aired.
However I agree about Dean, but it seems that they will attempt to redeem him through Roya and give him a new purpose - I can't see why else they would make him a rapist and then a father.
And just on Shirley a moment, I can recount numerous stories where Shirley hasn't been involved at all - Who killed Lucy Beale?, Sharon finding her birth father, Phil vs Max, Nick/Charlie/Dot, Ronnie/Vincent and so on, so no, the show isn't all about her.”
Sorry but I think it's nonsensical to compare the 2 situations. Shirley was married women with a family and had a very sick child. Shabnam was young, on her own and from a family that could likely disown her if they they found out. She left her new born baby on a relative's door step and from fear not just so she could on a life long bender.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Sorry but I think it's nonsensical to compare the 2 situations. Shirley was married women with a family and had a very sick child. Shabnam was young, on her own and from a family that could likely disown her if they they found out. She left her new born baby on a relative's door step and from fear not just so she could on a life long bender.”
“Sorry but I think it's nonsensical to compare the 2 situations. Shirley was married women with a family and had a very sick child. Shabnam was young, on her own and from a family that could likely disown her if they they found out. She left her new born baby on a relative's door step and from fear not just so she could on a life long bender.”
I wasn't saying they were the same, I was saying that the abandonment aspect was similar, Shabnam, regardless of circumstance, still abandoned her baby. (Obviously I understand why, I was merely saying that posters are willing to accept and understand why Shabnam did what she did whereas with Shirley, they weren't - even though I still don't feel that this has been fully explained).
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“It doesn't sound like they will be working together, though I wish they were. I like Shirley/Masood scenes, we've had only had a handful over the years but I would like to see them work together rather than be pitted against each other.”
“It doesn't sound like they will be working together, though I wish they were. I like Shirley/Masood scenes, we've had only had a handful over the years but I would like to see them work together rather than be pitted against each other.”
I'm not sure that would be a good to watch Ellie. Shirley is great at messing up, throwing spanners in the works, getting up people's noses and acting without thinking. Without her involvement this s/l would be just a big love in for the Masoods with a predictable happy ending. I'm a fan of the Masoods and Shirley, but I suspect I'm going to be very much on the side of the Masoods, whilst enjoying some great acting from Linda and Nitin.
I think Shirley will continue to do what she does best, mean well but cause chaos.
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“I wasn't saying they were the same, I was saying that the abandonment aspect was similar, Shabnam, regardless of circumstance, still abandoned her baby. (Obviously I understand why, I was merely saying that posters are willing to accept and understand why Shabnam did what she did whereas with Shirley, they weren't - even though I still don't feel that this has been fully explained).”
“I wasn't saying they were the same, I was saying that the abandonment aspect was similar, Shabnam, regardless of circumstance, still abandoned her baby. (Obviously I understand why, I was merely saying that posters are willing to accept and understand why Shabnam did what she did whereas with Shirley, they weren't - even though I still don't feel that this has been fully explained).
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Shabnam's circumstances explain the abandonment in a satisfactory and sympathetic way. The circumstances of Shirley abandoning her kids are explained in a selfish hard to understand way. Therefore people can criticise Shirley for abandoning her kids but feel sympathy for Shabnam. That's all really.
Originally Posted by vald:
“I'm not sure that would be a good to watch Ellie. Shirley is great at messing up, throwing spanners in the works, getting up people's noses and acting without thinking. Without her involvement this s/l would be just a big love in for the Masoods with a predictable happy ending. I'm a fan of the Masoods and Shirley, but I suspect I'm going to be very much on the side of the Masoods, whilst enjoying some great acting from Linda and Nitin.
I think Shirley will continue to do what she does best, mean well but cause chaos.”
“I'm not sure that would be a good to watch Ellie. Shirley is great at messing up, throwing spanners in the works, getting up people's noses and acting without thinking. Without her involvement this s/l would be just a big love in for the Masoods with a predictable happy ending. I'm a fan of the Masoods and Shirley, but I suspect I'm going to be very much on the side of the Masoods, whilst enjoying some great acting from Linda and Nitin.
I think Shirley will continue to do what she does best, mean well but cause chaos.
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This is very true actually. I would like to see them working together eventually but Shirley does provide the element of chaos and drama! I like both Shirley and Masood also, I foresee some brilliant actor coming from both.
I think you have summed Shirley up there! Means well but causes chaos!
However I would like this story to see the return of dark Masood.
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“This is very true actually. I would like to see them working together eventually but Shirley does provide the element of chaos and drama! I like both Shirley and Masood also, I foresee some brilliant actor coming from both.
I think you have summed Shirley up there! Means well but causes chaos! However I would like this story to see the return of dark Masood.”
“This is very true actually. I would like to see them working together eventually but Shirley does provide the element of chaos and drama! I like both Shirley and Masood also, I foresee some brilliant actor coming from both.
I think you have summed Shirley up there! Means well but causes chaos!
However I would like this story to see the return of dark Masood.”
BIB For sure. Masood could take on and destroy Zainab when he was riled enough...I don't fancy Shirley's chances.
Originally Posted by vald:
“BIB For sure. Masood could take on and destroy Zainab when he was riled enough...I don't fancy Shirley's chances.”
“BIB For sure. Masood could take on and destroy Zainab when he was riled enough...I don't fancy Shirley's chances.
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Exactly! Dark Masood was brimming with potential and I hope that isn't forgotten!
Originally Posted by MrJames:
“Cackling!
We're into parody stage with the Carters now.”
“Cackling!
We're into parody stage with the Carters now.”
Must admit it reminds me of that Stella Week thread that the Corrie peeps did.
Was hoping this would be a hook for Zainab rather than Shirley. Oh well.
I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.
Originally Posted by 0...0:
“Must admit it reminds me of that Stella Week thread that the Corrie peeps did.
Was hoping this would be a hook for Zainab rather than Shirley. Oh well.”
“Must admit it reminds me of that Stella Week thread that the Corrie peeps did.
Was hoping this would be a hook for Zainab rather than Shirley. Oh well.”
Originally Posted by ALowsley:
“I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.”
“I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.”
I'm still hoping for Zainab to make a surprise return...I'd settle for a couple of weeks like we got with Jean if she's not up for a full time return yet. Surely she wouldn't stay way if she finds out.
Random thought...what will this do to Tam and Nancy's budding relationship.
Originally Posted by ALowsley:
“I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.”
“I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.”
I'd like them to repeat the trick they did with Stacey when she confessed to murder in the Vic and the Lorde song was playing as she did it.
Zainab could walk in and sing 'You'll never have Roya!'
(I know this is a lame joke but I'm trying to say something positive..
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Originally Posted by ALowsley:
“I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.”
“I wish Zainab was involved rather than Shirley. It just seems to me that Shirley is replacing Zainab's role in this storyline. I know Shirley is Roya's gran but it doesn't sit right with me.”
The difference is, Shirley is a current character, Zainab isn't at the moment. If Zainab returned, why couldn't they both be involved? You don't like Shirley as a character anyway, do you? So of course it wouldn't 'sit right'.
Originally Posted by vald:
“I'm still hoping for Zainab to make a surprise return...I'd settle for a couple of weeks like we got with Jean if she's not up for a full time return yet. Surely she wouldn't stay way if she finds out.
Random thought...what will this do to Tam and Nancy's budding relationship.”
“I'm still hoping for Zainab to make a surprise return...I'd settle for a couple of weeks like we got with Jean if she's not up for a full time return yet. Surely she wouldn't stay way if she finds out.
Random thought...what will this do to Tam and Nancy's budding relationship.
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God, that would be good. I do hope it happens.
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“The difference is, Shirley is a current character, Zainab isn't at the moment. If Zainab returned, why couldn't they both be involved? You don't like Shirley as a character anyway, do you? So of course it wouldn't 'sit right'.”
“The difference is, Shirley is a current character, Zainab isn't at the moment. If Zainab returned, why couldn't they both be involved? You don't like Shirley as a character anyway, do you? So of course it wouldn't 'sit right'.
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I don't like that she's too involved when it's supposed to be the Masoods' big storyline
- I'm just fed up of the show revolving around Shirley Carter. She's in almost every episode. I don't mind her sometimes. If Zainab came back, she would do exactly what Shirley is doing. It's more Zainab's style. Shirley walked out of her children and she doesn't seem to get on well with her grandchildren. I know I'm biased but I wish they tone down her a bit.
I would love to see Zainab and Shirley having a big argument - they would be epic together
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