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Do you think Simon and the magician colluded?
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InMyArms
19-04-2015
Just seems a little odd that the other judges picked a card and then Simon was able to overrule. After the trick Simon did seem to be overacting.
spkx
19-04-2015
Here's how it's done (it's on Amazon for less than a tenner) http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv...-revealed.html

It doesn't matter what card was picked...

Spoiler
the key to the trick is that the bottom half of each has the animation whereas the top half (not seen when flipping through, although look carefully in HD and you will see the tip of each one) has the end frame for each possible outcome (i.e. 4A, QH, etc). The deck is stacked so it's just a case of spinning the selected card around at the end of the deck, which is done when he's showing the judges how the deck is animated

I wonder what would've happened had any of the panel asked to inspect the deck?
standinman
19-04-2015
It's an old trick and it's done by palming a card and completing it as they as answer the magician !
spkx
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by standinman:
“It's an old trick and it's done by palming a card and completing it as they as answer the magician !”

No it's not, the top half of the back of each card has the correct end frame for the animation. Once they've chosen the card, just spin the selected one around at the end of the deck.

Watch back the audition on YouTube and you can rather clearly see the tips of 'hidden' top half of each card, and the magician's top hat of the last card which has been spun around, as he riffles them quite badly (not greatly helped by the close up camera, which is never going to be great for a magician like this)
standinman
19-04-2015
What I don't get is how they find seeing an old close up card trick ,as totally amazing ,it's old hat !
Hitstastic
19-04-2015
LOL

Decided to watch it back on YouTube played at 0.25 Speed to really watch what was going on. Yes you can indeed see the tips of the cartoon mans head yet when I watched it last night I didn't really pick up on that. My attention was drawn towards the animation bit.

Camera close up FAIL
Orangemaid
19-04-2015
that was crap..they all knew beforehand what card it was ..doh
egghead1
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by standinman:
“What I don't get is how they find seeing an old close up card trick ,as totally amazing ,it's old hat !”

Me neither.Nor why a professional magician would go on TV and do such a lame trick that is easy to find the secret to.
Grumpy_Alan
19-04-2015
Like all sleight of hand tricks we all think we know how it is, or can be, done.

But,that is not really the point, is it?

Both of his tricks, changing £50 into £funny money and finding the card, were well executed even allowing for the extreme close ups. His manipulation was first class.

Even if we already knew how it was done, could any of us have done either of the tricks as well as him, or even better?

Mind you, if he could make Walliams disappear then that really would be magic!
Dalekbuster523
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by Grumpy_Alan:
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Mind you, if he could make Walliams disappear then that really would be magic!”

If you mean that it would make the show disappear also (which would make Saturday nights at the moment very, very boring)....

That would be very dark magic.
Grumpy_Alan
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523:
“If you mean that it would make the show disappear also (which would make Saturday nights at the moment very, very boring)....

That would be very dark magic.”


Not the show, just Walliams.


BGT without his bovine features, inane comments and pitiful attempts at comedy can only be better.
eggshell
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by Grumpy_Alan:
“Like all sleight of hand tricks we all think we know how it is, or can be, done.

But,that is not really the point, is it?

Both of his tricks, changing £50 into £funny money and finding the card, were well executed even allowing for the extreme close ups. His manipulation was first class.

Even if we already knew how it was done, could any of us have done either of the tricks as well as him, or even better?

Mind you, if he could make Walliams disappear then that really would be magic!”

Agree, that took some nerve to do, on close up camera with potentially millions to see it if you mess up.

Yes they were simple tricks you can buy but they impressed in the time available.

Cowell makes me puke though. He's decided magic is in and so goes completely OTT on stuff he'll have seen a million times before. In fact rumour has it he's seen Jamie before.

I also think that Jamie isn't new to this lark and is probably very successful already..his dental work looks like it cost more than my house
Dalekbuster523
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by Grumpy_Alan:
“Not the show, just Walliams.


BGT without his bovine features, inane comments and pitiful attempts at comedy can only be better.”

Get rid of David Walliams and BGT would go the way of X Factor ratings-wise (still getting good ratings but not as strong as it used to get). The only problem is that BGT would become disposable as it is not as big a ratings juggernaut as X Factor.
rc999
19-04-2015
I've watched this again and of course can now see the clues that I missed with a couple of glasses of wine in me last night - Namely that you can see the tips of the cartoon man's hat and of course that the deck is in order.

So am I right that there are a few elements to his sleight of hand that he needs to pull off whilst talking to the judges/audiences. Firstly he has to find the 7 of hearts, then he needs to get it to the bottom of the deck and turn it through 180 degrees? I can't spot anything showing he does this but of course the camera isn't on him all the time.
spkx
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by rc999:
“I've watched this again and of course can now see the clues that I missed with a couple of glasses of wine in me last night - Namely that you can see the tips of the cartoon man's hat and of course that the deck is in order.

So am I right that there are a few elements to his sleight of hand that he needs to pull off whilst talking to the judges/audiences. Firstly he has to find the 7 of hearts, then he needs to get it to the bottom of the deck and turn it through 180 degrees? I can't spot anything showing he does this but of course the camera isn't on him all the time.”

I believe he does it when he picks up the deck of cards (after Simon has chosen the card and straight after pointing out he hadn't touched them) and shows the judges how the deck is animated.

However, the camera conveniently cuts away from his hands at that very moment.
DarthFader
19-04-2015
Interesting that he got the services of the hand held camera person. Not sayin it is fixed but unusual. Also some magicians (not very good granted) they seem to go out of their way to show how it's down yet with this guy they cut away at a point that could reveal it.
Alrightmate
19-04-2015
I don't understand why the judges were acting as if it was the greatest magic trick they've ever seen in their lives.
egghead1
19-04-2015
Originally Posted by DarthFader:
“Interesting that he got the services of the hand held camera person. Not sayin it is fixed but unusual. Also some magicians (not very good granted) they seem to go out of their way to show how it's down yet with this guy they cut away at a point that could reveal it.”

Researchers will have asked what tricks he was doing etc so would have been arranged. There is no "fixing " to be done its a cheap card trick,the programme obviously edited the trick to hide certain things.

@Arightmate me neither.
SULLA
20-04-2015
Was I entertained ? Yes

Did he deserve to go through ? Yes.
Grumpy_Alan
20-04-2015
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Was I entertained ? Yes

Did he deserve to go through ? Yes.”


Do I agree with you? Yes.
eggshell
20-04-2015
Interestingly I hadn't realised a magician had won Americas got Talent.

Had a quick look and his stuff was very simple as well...he did a crappy version of a trick Churchill was supposed to have liked that most magicians know.

So they seem to be following the USA lead in keeping it simple.
Yorkshire Steve
20-04-2015
It's a trick (not real magic) Close up magic works really well close up. That is the whole point. He presented it well, which is what he was judged on. Magicians mostly buy their tricks/illusions, it's no different to singing somebody else song or performing gags that have been written for you by someone else (Morecambe & Wise). The "don't want to go in the cannon" guy said his main job was building big illusions, which I presume he sells.
egghead1
21-04-2015
By tomorrow a lot of people who read Daily Star will know how the trick is done.
sorcha_healy27
21-04-2015
I really liked the magician although I'm easily impressed by magic tricks
CM2604
22-04-2015
Originally Posted by InMyArms:
“Just seems a little odd that the other judges picked a card and then Simon was able to overrule. After the trick Simon did seem to be overacting.”

When working with audience members a lot of magicians will do this, if anything it's done to show that the trick isn't fixed.
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