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Old 17-12-2016, 08:26
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I enjoyed it, although it was by no means perfect. The CGI for the two old character cameos wasn't quite good enough. Both of them should've been seen in shadows or reflections or something. It was cool to see Darth Vader's 'house' and it was great to see him kick arse toward the end (although it did rather highlight how pedestrian the lightsabre battle was in the original Star Wars).
This wasn't force user vs force user though... This was a sith lord vs foot soldiers, he would have found that corridor a piece of cake, but fighting Kenobi in ANH would have been a different proposition. Both 30 years older than the last duel and Vader in his mechanical suit with Kenobi an old man, the pace of that duel was to be expected and possibly driven by Kenobi, who was using it to distract Vader to allow Luke and co to escape. A longer, cagey fight was required rather than attempt a full on sabre battle something akin to what we saw in RotS.
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Old 17-12-2016, 08:40
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This wasn't force user vs force user though... This was a sith lord vs foot soldiers, he would have found that corridor a piece of cake, but fighting Kenobi in ANH would have been a different proposition. Both 30 years older than the last duel and Vader in his mechanical suit with Kenobi an old man, the pace of that duel was to be expected and possibly driven by Kenobi, who was using it to distract Vader to allow Luke and co to escape. A longer, cagey fight was required rather than attempt a full on sabre battle something akin to what we saw in RotS.
19 years. But agree with the rest, plus (in R1) he was in a hurry to get through the rebels to get his hands on the plans.
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Old 17-12-2016, 08:52
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19 years. But agree with the rest, plus (in R1) he was in a hurry to get through the rebels to get his hands on the plans.
Always have 30 in my head due to Lucas always having periods 30 years either side of the original trilogy locked up so no one could use that space in the EU. That was the starting points for both prequel and sequel trilogies, always had been from the very start.
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Old 17-12-2016, 09:00
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Always have 30 in my head due to Lucas always having periods 30 years either side of the original trilogy locked up so no one could use that space in the EU. That was the starting points for both prequel and sequel trilogies, always had been from the very start.
There was no such lock up. The EU has loads of material set 30 years either side of the OT.
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Old 17-12-2016, 09:48
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There was no such lock up. The EU has loads of material set 30 years either side of the OT.
He locked up the time frames which were used for the prequels and what is now the sequels. Nothing was allowed to be written in the time period of where the prequels were till the prequels were filmed and he had the same embargo on the sequel slot. Before and after the slots were fine, but each trilogy period were locked. That was started right at the beginning of the EU.
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Old 17-12-2016, 09:48
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Yeah, I must have imagined all of the material like the cartoons, games, comics & books that were produced over the years and accepted as canon before Disney bought Lucasfilm and decided to burn the lot of it.

Lucas has always maintained that the OT was the middle act of a trilogy and that while he had the prequel trilogy 'mapped out' it was unfilmable in the 70's hence why he started at Ep IV. Frankly I've never beleived that. At most he had the Palpatine plot bit in his heads but I don't beleive he had Anakin to Vader in his mind. I actually don't beleive he had Vader as Luke's Dad until he wrote Empire so the whole story of how he wrote the saga is a bit of a myth IMO.
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Old 17-12-2016, 09:57
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Loved the film, but totally see why people wouldn't. It's very different to the saga films tonally, not a family film at all really. My daughter hated it, for instance. It's far from perfect I agree. Yes some of the characters lack depth and there's too much jumping around locations at the start and gets confusing. Also CGI isn't quite there to make human characters believable yet (actually I suspect it is if enough time and money is put in but for two relatively small roles they were going to invest the money).

I loved all the nods to EpIV, especailly the fighter pilots (Red5 ) and thought the end was very brave and brought full circle the 'freedom comes at a price' point that Lucas backed out of in the OT. I will go again but right now I'd rate it an 8/10 and 3rd place behind ESB & ANH.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:19
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He locked up the time frames which were used for the prequels and what is now the sequels. Nothing was allowed to be written in the time period of where the prequels were till the prequels were filmed and he had the same embargo on the sequel slot. Before and after the slots were fine, but each trilogy period were locked. That was started right at the beginning of the EU.
There is a lot of EU material set in the "sequel slot", a lot of material. Less so for the prequel slot but there's stuff such as the Lando Carlissian novels and the Han Solo novels, both set in your apparent -30 embargo period, and both released well before the prequels were ever filmed. Rather than get into it any further it's probably easier if I just point you in the direction of the EU timeline.
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Old 17-12-2016, 10:44
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I thought it was a good film, the action was incredible, some great performances and a very gritty, realistic feel to the whole affair which was a nice change of pace after the lighter tone of Force Awakens.

I do have some issues though which keep it from being an amazing entry into the Star Wars canon:

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Pretty good though all in all, not as wowed as Force Awakens, though that had the luxury of reintroducing all the old favourites and being the first in a long while. All things considered; 8/10
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:06
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I liked the concept of the movie revolving around "Tier 2" characters if that makes sense. The saga movies focus on the villainous leaders and powerful heroes of the series, but Rogue One was mainly about those people who operate further down the chain, both for the Rebellion and the Empire. To that end, I think Tarkin and Vader's inclusion were'nt really required. I would have liked Krennic to have been at a rank or level where he wouldn't have had a chance of getting near either of them. I think the movie illustrated the idea of his ambitious nature well however.

I also liked that Cassian wasn't a typical hero, but a rather shady, slightly built man with dubious methods, as would be required when involved with a dangerous situation such as a rebellion.

I thought the end where Jyn and Cassian were scrambling up the tower to try and grab the data tapes out of the archive was exciting, and showed how desperate they were to do anything to get them.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:38
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Darth Vader lives around the corner from me. He really does.
Local boy, Spencer Wilding is a long-time friend of mine and apart from supporting his Thai Boxing career and attending a few matches of his over the past 20 odd years, I've seen his film career grow and grow from costumed parts to supporting actor parts.
I remember him being so chuffed at playing a Vogan in the Hitchhiker's/Galaxy film, even though he was completely swamped by the huge costume and thinking he wouldn't top that.
Not bad for a lad that used to have learning difficulties at school, I'm so proud of him.
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Old 17-12-2016, 12:48
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Daniel, cool information about the new Darth Vader!
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:08
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I thought Rogue One was a little darker than the main series. At times the style reminded me of the Kurosawa films that inspired Star Wars in the first place (The Hidden Fortress, Seven Samurai).
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Old 17-12-2016, 13:29
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Darth Vader lives around the corner from me. He really does.
Local boy, Spencer Wilding is a long-time friend of mine and apart from supporting his Thai Boxing career and attending a few matches of his over the past 20 odd years, I've seen his film career grow and grow from costumed parts to supporting actor parts.
I remember him being so chuffed at playing a Vogan in the Hitchhiker's/Galaxy film, even though he was completely swamped by the huge costume and thinking he wouldn't top that.
Not bad for a lad that used to have learning difficulties at school, I'm so proud of him.
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Old 17-12-2016, 14:50
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:13
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I actually thought for sure going into it she was going to turn out to have strong ties to Luke/Rey/Obi-Wan, I'm glad she didn't, but at the same time I found her (and all of the other) death sequence underwhelming.
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:20
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Saw it a few hours ago, thoroughly enjoyed it, great film. Much better than TFA in my opinion...
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Old 17-12-2016, 15:49
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Old 17-12-2016, 16:39
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Saw it yesterday and enjoyed it. Thought it was lacking though in the soundtrack department. Rewatching the TFA trailer, it is the music which really gets you going. There were ghostlike slivers of Star Wars motifs but that's all they were.

Film was gritty and imv more violent than A New Hope. There was young boy sitting beside me who would have been the same age as me in 1977 when I saw the original and he winced a few times. 12A is a Film producer's dream because if the kid wants to see the film the adult must follow.

Unsure if the actress playing Jyn had the gravitas for the role. Sounded very posh for a street urchin.

Last five or ten minutes were the highlight which reinforced that you can't beat the originals.
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Old 17-12-2016, 17:48
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Loved the film, but totally see why people wouldn't. It's very different to the saga films tonally, not a family film at all really.
I saw someone taking an about 6-7 year old child to the movie who didn't seem to understand it at all. Don't really think it's "unsuitable" for a child unless they are likely to be upset by scenes of war, explosions etc but it is 12A for a reason, I wouldn't take a kid under the age of about 10 to see it.

I liked the movie but agree that some of the cast felt a bit extraneous. Disagree with a review I saw that said that the movie lacked a strong male presence - what about Cassion Andor? He has about as much screen time and importance as Finn did in TFA, although I think Finn the better leading man
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Old 17-12-2016, 18:11
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I would not consider him a strong male lead as Rogue One is focused firmly on Jyn with her character being the lead with Cassian just being part of the team without any character background but more screen time than the rest of them!
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Old 17-12-2016, 18:58
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Old 17-12-2016, 19:02
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Saw it last night. Tonally very different for a SW movie but I loved it. Thought Felicity Jones was very good indeed.
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Old 17-12-2016, 22:02
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I would not consider him a strong male lead as Rogue One is focused firmly on Jyn with her character being the lead with Cassian just being part of the team without any character background but more screen time than the rest of them!
I thought Cassian's character was quite well rounded, I don't understand where this is coming from that he was a kind of flat, bland character. To me, he was a great depiction of the oft mentioned "rebel spies".
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I think he I saw one of the best characters to emerge from the whole series.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:11
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Darth Vader lives around the corner from me. He really does.
Local boy, Spencer Wilding is a long-time friend of mine and apart from supporting his Thai Boxing career and attending a few matches of his over the past 20 odd years, I've seen his film career grow and grow from costumed parts to supporting actor parts.
I remember him being so chuffed at playing a Vogan in the Hitchhiker's/Galaxy film, even though he was completely swamped by the huge costume and thinking he wouldn't top that.
Not bad for a lad that used to have learning difficulties at school, I'm so proud of him.
I met Spencer in the bar at a Doctor Who Convention in Birmingham about 3 years ago. What a nice and humble man he came across as, I wish him further success after Rogue One
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