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I saw it and really liked it but I think my overall impressions are that I prefer TFA. That may chance over time though as I don't think TFA stands up to multiple viewings. I was also never really taken with the premise of a war movie and would have maybe preferred a heist movie with infiltration and sneaking around (ie. "Rebel spies...") or they get the plans really early and then it's a chase movie ("There'll be no-one to stop us this time...").
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Earlier in the film Bail Organa has a conversation with Mon Mothma in which he states he will ask Leia to recruit Kenobi, though neither are mentioned by name during the conversation. The Tantive IV only just managed to escape, it had been docked to the Star Cruiser, given the chance both ships would have escaped together, on a course for Tatooine (to recruit Kenobi to the Resistance before heading back to Yavin). So, as the Star Cruiser was just about to escape, it makes sense that a course would have been laid in, only it never got the chance to depart, the Tantive did.
But none of that really matters, she goes whether it makes sense or not. What doesn't make sense without some intervening action is that Vader catches up with the Tantive IV without any trouble. |
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Yes, I get all that. Not sure it makes sense - why would the MonCal cruiser be going to Tatooine? Surely Organa would send his own ship, which in essence he is by sending the Tantive IV although even then would Leia go to Tatooine straight away rather than deliver the plans back to Yavin?
I kinda wish the ending...
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Yes, I get all that. Not sure it makes sense - why would the MonCal cruiser be going to Tatooine?
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Surely Organa would send his own ship, which in essence he is by sending the Tantive IV although even then would Leia go to Tatooine straight away rather than deliver the plans back to Yavin?
Because Organa wanted Kenobi there for the assault on the DS. He knew Jedi were capable of "the impossible" and were more skilful and more capable than anyone else. He was right, whilst Luke was not a Jedi at that point, it took someone who was strong with the Force to hit the target. Quote:
But none of that really matters, she goes whether it makes sense or not. What doesn't make sense without some intervening action is that Vader catches up with the Tantive IV without any trouble.
It does make sense. He had the co-ordinates of the star cruiser's intended destination, so he had a direct lead.
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Sorry, I've spoilered it now but I don't really understand why we would need to use spoiler tags in a thread about a movie that's been released.
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It doesn't say no spoilers in the title.
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As the thread isn't labelled spoilers can you please label your posts and use spoiler tags if you're discussing key plot points of the film. By all means make another thread for open spoiler discussion if you would rather do that but please label them if you continue to use this thread. Thanks. DS |
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Its been known that this was a spin-off from the original movies for years, so why you would expect a feel-good, uplifting movie in the same vein is beyond me. |
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This is more ANH, but I was thinking the other day why Leia would intentionally lead the Empire to Yavin (she knew that the Empire were tracking the Falcon). My theory is that as no-one would ever know where the Death Star was at any one time, she lured them there but sent most of the Rebellion off somewhere else which is why there is hardly anyone there (ie. no Mon Mothma and the millions of other rebels and ships we see in Rogue One) and why they take on the DS with only a handful of ships. I can actually imagine the Rebellion not expecting the DS attack to succeed at all and wanted to keep loses to a minimum.
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I very much enjoyed Rogue One. I think there was some emotional heft especially with Jyn and her father (although not enough Mads Mikkleson in my opinion!)
A couple of things I didn't like was first the god awful new music by Michael Giacchino. Only did it feel better when the original themes were included. I wasn't that struck with Diego Luna, I thought he had very little charisma especially opposite the wonderful Felicity Jones. And finally - this is one for all of the films - what is the point of the storm troopers armour? It seems any little knock or glancing blow takes them out of action instantly. I'd get a redesign! |
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Maybe I'm just new to the rules of this forum (never posted in the movie forum before) but, certainly in the TV forums, once an episode has aired discussing the episode is not a spoiler. Not even if the thread is labelled 'no spoilers'!
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And finally - this is one for all of the films - what is the point of the storm troopers armour? It seems any little knock or glancing blow takes them out of action instantly. I'd get a redesign!
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Saw it today. Meh.
Couldn't get in to it. Probably not helped by an absurd level of noise in the cinema for the first half an hour with all the idiots eating, drinking, rustling and coughing e.t.c. That got my back up and I couldn't really relax a lot after that. It only really started to hold my attention when the Death Star was first used but even then, i was watching because it was watchable more than I was in to it. The battle at the end was enjoyable but I couldn't help but to come away from it thinking "ok" rather than "wow". The contrast in the CGI facial reconstructions was quite striking though. Peter Cushing's was quite staggering in it's realism, but Carrie Fisher's stood out as a very obvious CGI effect. Not terrible at all, but nothing i'd really want to see again. |
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The contrast in the CGI facial reconstructions was quite striking though. Peter Cushing's was quite staggering in it's realism, but Carrie Fisher's stood out as a very obvious CGI effect.
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I found it a bit strange that they went to such lengths to try and make Carrie Fisher look the same as in 1977 yet James Earl Jones as Darth Vader sounded very much like a man in his eighties.
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That would be a stand-alone movie, one not part of the ongoing official series of sequels and not revolving around the original characters from the earlier movies.
Its been known that this was a spin-off from the original movies for years, so why you would expect a feel-good, uplifting movie in the same vein is beyond me.
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Because a film being on release means not all of us have seen it yet.
So it still seems a bit pointless to me, but if that's how it works then I apologize. Quote:
You missed this then:
I did. I only just joined the thread and wasn't about to read 12 or so pages of previous discussion to catch up. That post was on an earlier page ![]() Ideally it ought to be added to the OP as nobody new to the thread is going to read it! |
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A thread to discuss a movie seems a bit pointless if you can't discuss what you saw in the movie
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and the way the TV threads work, once it's aired it's not a spoiler any more.
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So it still seems a bit pointless to me, but if that's how it works then I apologize.
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Ideally it ought to be added to the OP as nobody new to the thread is going to read it!
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Why would I expect a Star Wars movie to be like other Star Wars movies? I find that a very strange question
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What part of 'Stand-Alone' do you not understand?
Why the rudeness, by the way, it's supposed to be the season of goodwill isn't it? Anyway, I only came to the thread to vent but there's no point venting in spoiler tags so I shall go back to my TV forums and leave you all be ![]() Happy Holidays
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An interesting Guardian article on the film's development (spoilers obviously), mostly speculation but may not be far from the truth.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/fil...hoots-trailers It does once again show the complete futility of the modern trend to over-analyse and review trailers as there is a good chance half of their contents won't even make the final cut. |
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What part of stand-alone is relevant to my expectation?
Why the rudeness, by the way, it's supposed to be the season of goodwill isn't it? Anyway, I only came to the thread to vent but there's no point venting in spoiler tags so I shall go back to my TV forums and leave you all be ![]() Happy Holidays ![]() Therefore as you had unrealistic expectations you have used this to denigrate the movie, unfairly in my opinion. It's far from a bad movie, but its a bad movie to you because you expected something different. Different does not, and should not equal bad. And I don't see where I am being rude to you, just disagreeing with you and challenging your opinion. If you have an issue with that maybe discussion boards are not for you. |
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An interesting Guardian article on the film's development (spoilers obviously), mostly speculation but may not be far from the truth.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/fil...hoots-trailers It does once again show the complete futility of the modern trend to over-analyse and review trailers as there is a good chance half of their contents won't even make the final cut. The demand for trailers these days means they are cut as soon as footage is available to put a few scenes together, often for teaser trailers, and well before the film is edited. Its therefore only natural that some scenes will be cut or changed before the movie is finally released. Having seen the film and enjoyed it, I see no reason to speculate on what might have been, what is missing, what changed etc. Seems pointless to me. Hopefully a lot of this footage will turn up on the blu ray/dvd release anyway. |
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Well of course its relevant, because you seem to have inexplicably expected a standard Star Wars sequel, when as mentioned before it was clear that this movie is a spin-off and a separate story from the main arc, albeit with obvious links to the original film.
Therefore as you had unrealistic expectations you have used this to denigrate the movie, unfairly in my opinion. It's far from a bad movie, but its a bad movie to you because you expected something different. Different does not, and should not equal bad. And I don't see where I am being rude to you, just disagreeing with you and challenging your opinion. If you have an issue with that maybe discussion boards are not for you. |
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Well of course its relevant, because you seem to have inexplicably expected a standard Star Wars sequel, when as mentioned before it was clear that this movie is a spin-off and a separate story from the main arc, albeit with obvious links to the original film.
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Therefore as you had unrealistic expectations you have used this to denigrate the movie, unfairly in my opinion. I haven't denigrated the movie. I enjoyed the movie right up until the end which, to me, I didn't find enjoyable. It's far from a bad movie, but its a bad movie to you because you expected something different. Different does not, and should not equal bad. At no time did I say it was bad or do anything other than express my own subjective opinion of what the movie made me, personally, feel. Quote:
And I don't see where I am being rude to you, just disagreeing with you and challenging your opinion. If you have an issue with that maybe discussion boards are not for you.
"what part of standalone do you not understand?""maybe discussion boards arre not for you" I consider those remarks condescending and rude. It's all about the tone which, in my view, is entirely uncalled for. |
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Just back from seeing it and I really enjoyed it a lot. The fight at the end makes everything George Lucas did in the prequels look like a child directed them.
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