I saw it and really liked it but I think my overall impressions are that I prefer TFA. That may chance over time though as I don't think TFA stands up to multiple viewings. I was also never really taken with the premise of a war movie and would have maybe preferred a heist movie with infiltration and sneaking around (ie. "Rebel spies...") or they get the plans really early and then it's a chase movie ("There'll be no-one to stop us this time...").

Yes, I get all that. Not sure it makes sense - why would the MonCal cruiser be going to Tatooine? Surely Organa would send his own ship, which in essence he is by sending the Tantive IV although even then would Leia go to Tatooine straight away rather than deliver the plans back to Yavin?

But none of that really matters, she goes whether it makes sense or not. What doesn't make sense without some intervening action is that Vader catches up with the Tantive IV without any trouble.

My (wafer thin) theory is that the Tantive IV was hitching a lift so far and would then continue alone. At some point in the journey, the MonCal cruiser went "Sod this", and went off to Scarif to help in the battle. I still don't know why they wouldn't just leave the Tantive IV behind though. Maybe the Tantive IV was the fastest ship in the fleet with the best chance of outrunning the Empire?

I kinda wish the ending...

Because Leia was asked to recruit Kenobi. All being well both ships would have escaped the battle and made it there, strength in numbers.

Because Organa wanted Kenobi there for the assault on the DS. He knew Jedi were capable of "the impossible" and were more skilful and more capable than anyone else. He was right, whilst Luke was not a Jedi at that point, it took someone who was strong with the Force to hit the target.

It does make sense. He had the co-ordinates of the star cruiser's intended destination, so he had a direct lead.

Because a film being on release means not all of us have seen it yet.


You missed this then:

That would be a stand-alone movie, one not part of the ongoing official series of sequels and not revolving around the original characters from the earlier movies.

Its been known that this was a spin-off from the original movies for years, so why you would expect a feel-good, uplifting movie in the same vein is beyond me.

I personally thought this movie was excellent.

This is more ANH, but I was thinking the other day why Leia would intentionally lead the Empire to Yavin (she knew that the Empire were tracking the Falcon). My theory is that as no-one would ever know where the Death Star was at any one time, she lured them there but sent most of the Rebellion off somewhere else which is why there is hardly anyone there (ie. no Mon Mothma and the millions of other rebels and ships we see in Rogue One) and why they take on the DS with only a handful of ships. I can actually imagine the Rebellion not expecting the DS attack to succeed at all and wanted to keep loses to a minimum.

I very much enjoyed Rogue One. I think there was some emotional heft especially with Jyn and her father (although not enough Mads Mikkleson in my opinion!)

A couple of things I didn't like was first the god awful new music by Michael Giacchino. Only did it feel better when the original themes were included.

I wasn't that struck with Diego Luna, I thought he had very little charisma especially opposite the wonderful Felicity Jones.

And finally - this is one for all of the films - what is the point of the storm troopers armour? It seems any little knock or glancing blow takes them out of action instantly. I'd get a redesign!

That's completely different and irrelevant for a newly released film at the cinema as not everyone goes to see a film at the cinema on the same day and time.

I was hoping some of the weapons (like Donnie Yen's staff) would be vibroblades (no jokes, plz) but some of them were getting punched out : /

Saw it today. Meh.

Couldn't get in to it. Probably not helped by an absurd level of noise in the cinema for the first half an hour with all the idiots eating, drinking, rustling and coughing e.t.c. That got my back up and I couldn't really relax a lot after that.

It only really started to hold my attention when the Death Star was first used but even then, i was watching because it was watchable more than I was in to it.

The battle at the end was enjoyable but I couldn't help but to come away from it thinking "ok" rather than "wow".

The contrast in the CGI facial reconstructions was quite striking though. Peter Cushing's was quite staggering in it's realism, but Carrie Fisher's stood out as a very obvious CGI effect.

Not terrible at all, but nothing i'd really want to see again.

I found it a bit strange that they went to such lengths to try and make Carrie Fisher look the same as in 1977 yet James Earl Jones as Darth Vader sounded very much like a man in his eighties.

Completely agree. And the fact that they gave him some proper dialogue made it stand out as well. In the originals, he might have had a line or two here and there which had more impact, but giving him a fair amount of dialogue for his scene just made it a bit silly.

Why would I expect a Star Wars movie to be like other Star Wars movies? I find that a very strange question

A thread to discuss a movie seems a bit pointless if you can't discuss what you saw in the movie and the way the TV threads work, once it's aired it's not a spoiler any more.

So it still seems a bit pointless to me, but if that's how it works then I apologize.


I did. I only just joined the thread and wasn't about to read 12 or so pages of previous discussion to catch up. That post was on an earlier page

Ideally it ought to be added to the OP as nobody new to the thread is going to read it!

Of course you can still discuss it - just use spoiler tags if needed.


Maybe okay for a tv show which attracts large audiences at its initial transmission, but TV viewing and cinema going can be very different, e.g. viewing habits.


Thanks.


They might notice others using spoiler tags though.

What part of 'Stand-Alone' do you not understand?

What part of stand-alone is relevant to my expectation?

Why the rudeness, by the way, it's supposed to be the season of goodwill isn't it?

Anyway, I only came to the thread to vent but there's no point venting in spoiler tags so I shall go back to my TV forums and leave you all be

Happy Holidays

An interesting Guardian article on the film's development (spoilers obviously), mostly speculation but may not be far from the truth.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/fil...hoots-trailers

It does once again show the complete futility of the modern trend to over-analyse and review trailers as there is a good chance half of their contents won't even make the final cut.

Well of course its relevant, because you seem to have inexplicably expected a standard Star Wars sequel, when as mentioned before it was clear that this movie is a spin-off and a separate story from the main arc, albeit with obvious links to the original film.

Therefore as you had unrealistic expectations you have used this to denigrate the movie, unfairly in my opinion.

It's far from a bad movie, but its a bad movie to you because you expected something different. Different does not, and should not equal bad.

And I don't see where I am being rude to you, just disagreeing with you and challenging your opinion. If you have an issue with that maybe discussion boards are not for you.

The notion of footage appearing in trailers yet not in the final cut is a very old and common one.

The demand for trailers these days means they are cut as soon as footage is available to put a few scenes together, often for teaser trailers, and well before the film is edited.

Its therefore only natural that some scenes will be cut or changed before the movie is finally released.

Having seen the film and enjoyed it, I see no reason to speculate on what might have been, what is missing, what changed etc. Seems pointless to me.

Hopefully a lot of this footage will turn up on the blu ray/dvd release anyway.

That what happened with me with The Force Awakens....I wanted something more than a rework/reboot of a New Hope, as well as a villain I could believe in.

I still see no reason why it is remotely inexplicable for me to expect a movie in the Star Wars franchise to be similar in tone to all of the other movies in the Star Wars franchise. Being a spin-off and a separate story etc. etc. is entirely irrelevant!


I haven't denigrated the movie. I enjoyed the movie right up until the end which, to me, I didn't find enjoyable.

At no time did I say it was bad or do anything other than express my own subjective opinion of what the movie made me, personally, feel.


"what part of standalone do you not understand?"

"maybe discussion boards arre not for you"

I consider those remarks condescending and rude.

It's all about the tone which, in my view, is entirely uncalled for.

Just back from seeing it and I really enjoyed it a lot. The fight at the end makes everything George Lucas did in the prequels look like a child directed them.