EE or O2 /Voda better in building?

swb1964 · 21-04-2015, 09:54

Hi guys.

To my shame I've forgotten most of my basic radio theory from my CB days.

Are the higher O2 frequencies or the lower EE ones better at penertrating in a building?

omnidirectional · 21-04-2015, 09:57

O2/Voda use 900Mhz (mainly for 2G) which is best at penetrating buildings, as lower is better.

EE and Three are on higher frequencies which don't work so well indoors, but they tend to have more masts to compensate.

d123 · 21-04-2015, 09:58

It actually depends on the building....

swb1964 · 21-04-2015, 10:05

I knew lower frequencies went further but I wasn't sure which was better in building.

jchamier · 21-04-2015, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by swb1964

Hi guys.

To my shame I've forgotten most of my basic radio theory from my CB days.

Are the higher O2 frequencies or the lower EE ones better at penertrating in a building?

Generically

O2/Vodafone use 900mhz for 2G and 3G, and also 2100 for 3G but have mast sites relatively far apart.
EE/Three use 1800mhz for 2G and 2100mhz for 3G and have a lot denser mast installations.

However I was indoor (at a bowling alley) this evening and there was no signal on O2, or Vodafone but my EE was mostly full signal and my colleagues Three was the same.

Conclusion - EE and Three have installed a mast/repeater nearby in the shopping/entertainment complex. Voda/O2 haven't.

There are a LOT more variables than just the frequency.

Chrysalis · 22-04-2015, 17:39

Both O2 and EE have been fine for me in buildings, but I think EE's coverage is better in rural areas, coastal etc.

mrgs1 · 22-04-2015, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

It actually depends on the building....

True ee doesn't like thick Cotswolds stone walled houses or the terrain!

jchamier · 22-04-2015, 23:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrgs1

True ee doesn't like thick Cotswolds stone walled houses or the terrain!

Put a vodafone 900mhz and an EE 1800mhz mast outside your door, and I suspect they would both have quite good indoors coverage.

Mast position and distance - and sometimes the newer (EE & Three) networks have found it hard to get masts installed where Vodafone and O2 have already masts.

DevonBloke · 23-04-2015, 00:03

EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds.....
I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they.
Oh yeah and more in Cornwall....
See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!!

Stereo Steve · 23-04-2015, 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds.....
I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they.
Oh yeah and more in Cornwall....
See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!!

I guess the PM needs his phone to actually ring. #lowfrequency # EEdo800

d123 · 23-04-2015, 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds.....
I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they.
Oh yeah and more in Cornwall....
See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!!

I hear that inside castles in Devon also struggle for a good signal

.

jchamier · 23-04-2015, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stereo Steve

I guess the PM needs his phone to actually ring. #lowfrequency # EEdo800

Well the PM was on vodafone's 2G 900mhz service and failed to get a signal.

#itsmorethanfrequency

DevonBloke · 23-04-2015, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

I hear that inside castles in Devon also struggle for a good signal

.

Not with WiFi calling mate.
Works in castles, in the moat, up in the battlements in fact everywhere.
I've just had WiFi installed in the dungeons so I can call from there as well!!!
Hahahahahaha

mrgs1 · 23-04-2015, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds.....
I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they.
Oh yeah and more in Cornwall....
See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!!

Saw Clarkson filling up with petrol recently in Chipping Norton he's a big bloke!

DevonBloke · 23-04-2015, 20:14

Yeah, 6' 5".
Was at the motor show years ago (I mean like 20 years or so) and I brushed past him and only realised who it was after he'd passed. I'm 6'1" but I turned back and he was towering above everyone in the crowd.
Whatever you do make sure there's a hot meal waiting for him or else!!!
Hahahahaha

EDIT: The guy is a legend. His writing is the most hilarious I have ever read.
David Cameron is "a friend".
That guy ain't going anywhere.
He'll be back.
BBC already making bleating noises realising their mistake.
The whole thing could have been handled internally with no issues.
He know's he was wrong and by all accounts attempted to sort it.
James May has said he's not doing anything unless Clarkson is there. Good call!

21-04-2015, 09:54	#1
swb1964 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,455	EE or O2 /Voda better in building? Hi guys. To my shame I've forgotten most of my basic radio theory from my CB days. Are the higher O2 frequencies or the lower EE ones better at penertrating in a building?

21-04-2015, 09:57	#2
omnidirectional Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 10,879	O2/Voda use 900Mhz (mainly for 2G) which is best at penetrating buildings, as lower is better. EE and Three are on higher frequencies which don't work so well indoors, but they tend to have more masts to compensate.

21-04-2015, 09:58	#3
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	It actually depends on the building....

21-04-2015, 10:05	#4
swb1964 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,455	I knew lower frequencies went further but I wasn't sure which was better in building.

21-04-2015, 21:57	#5
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by swb1964 Hi guys. To my shame I've forgotten most of my basic radio theory from my CB days. Are the higher O2 frequencies or the lower EE ones better at penertrating in a building? Generically O2/Vodafone use 900mhz for 2G and 3G, and also 2100 for 3G but have mast sites relatively far apart. EE/Three use 1800mhz for 2G and 2100mhz for 3G and have a lot denser mast installations. However I was indoor (at a bowling alley) this evening and there was no signal on O2, or Vodafone but my EE was mostly full signal and my colleagues Three was the same. Conclusion - EE and Three have installed a mast/repeater nearby in the shopping/entertainment complex. Voda/O2 haven't. There are a LOT more variables than just the frequency.

22-04-2015, 17:39	#6
Chrysalis Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leics Posts: 581	Both O2 and EE have been fine for me in buildings, but I think EE's coverage is better in rural areas, coastal etc.

22-04-2015, 21:57	#7
mrgs1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 84	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 It actually depends on the building.... True ee doesn't like thick Cotswolds stone walled houses or the terrain!

22-04-2015, 23:02	#8
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by mrgs1 True ee doesn't like thick Cotswolds stone walled houses or the terrain! Put a vodafone 900mhz and an EE 1800mhz mast outside your door, and I suspect they would both have quite good indoors coverage. Mast position and distance - and sometimes the newer (EE & Three) networks have found it hard to get masts installed where Vodafone and O2 have already masts.

23-04-2015, 00:03	#9
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds..... I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they. Oh yeah and more in Cornwall.... See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!!

23-04-2015, 00:43	#10
Stereo Steve Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,378	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds..... I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they. Oh yeah and more in Cornwall.... See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!! I guess the PM needs his phone to actually ring. #lowfrequency # EEdo800

23-04-2015, 11:01	#11
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds..... I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they. Oh yeah and more in Cornwall.... See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!! I hear that inside castles in Devon also struggle for a good signal .

23-04-2015, 20:03	#12
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by Stereo Steve I guess the PM needs his phone to actually ring. #lowfrequency # EEdo800 Well the PM was on vodafone's 2G 900mhz service and failed to get a signal. #itsmorethanfrequency

23-04-2015, 20:07	#13
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 I hear that inside castles in Devon also struggle for a good signal . Not with WiFi calling mate. Works in castles, in the moat, up in the battlements in fact everywhere. I've just had WiFi installed in the dungeons so I can call from there as well!!! Hahahahahaha

23-04-2015, 20:09	#14
mrgs1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 84	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke EE... note to self..... get more masts in the Cotswolds..... I mean Jeremy Clarkson and David Cameron are there aren't they. Oh yeah and more in Cornwall.... See if we can't drag the Prime Minister out of the dark ages (Vodafone) and into the 21st Century!!!! Saw Clarkson filling up with petrol recently in Chipping Norton he's a big bloke!

23-04-2015, 20:14	#15
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Yeah, 6' 5". Was at the motor show years ago (I mean like 20 years or so) and I brushed past him and only realised who it was after he'd passed. I'm 6'1" but I turned back and he was towering above everyone in the crowd. Whatever you do make sure there's a hot meal waiting for him or else!!! Hahahahaha EDIT: The guy is a legend. His writing is the most hilarious I have ever read. David Cameron is "a friend". That guy ain't going anywhere. He'll be back. BBC already making bleating noises realising their mistake. The whole thing could have been handled internally with no issues. He know's he was wrong and by all accounts attempted to sort it. James May has said he's not doing anything unless Clarkson is there. Good call!

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