Apparently they were best buddies on celeb coach trip 2012


So how did they go from this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIMh...40334&index=97 from 9:25

To that.

Nikki in particular seemed to really dislike Aisleyne in this series (I've been doing a big re-watch), while Aisleyne was mostly really nice to Nikki (bar the "know yourself "comment which I found halarious), particularly when she was next door and Aisleyene was campaigning to bring her back in.

I can answer that in one word, Jayne. And BB's pathetic attempts to shut her up about what us viewers were seeing. She poisoned Nikki against Aisleyne and a week later, she was gone.

Their rivalry seemed to stem from Nikki catching Aisleyne in a bad mood once or twice and turning it into Aisleyne deliberately targetting her and bullying her. Was very strange.

I do think, without the paranoia of the house, that they are similar enough to be able to get on. Or maybe they were both available for Coach Trip and had no-one else. lol

Apparently Nikki and Imogen had a huge falling out after the show. Which is surprising because Nikki and Imogen has to be one of the most stable and uneventful friendships that have ever been in the house.

The Nikki and Aisleyne "rivalry" was blown out of all proportion. A handful of incidents seemed to take place between the two of them, the most famous of which was the "know yourself" episode. Outside the house, as far as I can tell, they've always been pretty much okay with one another.
They were both forum favourites on digital spy throughout the series, so the biggest rivalry seemed to be between their fanbases.

Mostly blown out of proportion by Nikki announcing "I REALLY Hate her" on several occasions. I'm on ep 86 and I'm sick of hearing it.

On my re-watch Aisleye seems to be the nicest of the people in there despite her temporary lapse when she was nominated.

Any other after show gossip on this series.

I know Aisleye fell out with Richard and Lea after they were spiteful towards her on her radio show and tried to damage her career, but I don't know the specifics.

Mikey was hot.

Oh more gossip: Aisleyene V Michael:

http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/12/hands-up-if-you-saw-big-brothers-aisleyne-horgan-wallace-turning-up-on-judge-rinder-5060512/

The "know yourself" comment was part of a deliberate, conceived in advance, attempt to upset Nikki, and while it's true that Aisleyne mostly acted nicely when it was directly to Nikki, she did such things as tell Lea, behind Nikki's back, that Nikki was ******* mental and was using Pete to stay in. Ash also had a lot to say against Nikki when she (Ash) was in the HND. By the time of the clip you linked, Nikki had been out of the house and could have seen, or been told about, all of that.

I also think at least some of Aisleyne's niceness to Nikki was suspect -- especially the way Ash was towards Nikki after Ash returned from the HND. The niceness seemed artificial and excessive, and during that same period she was getting between Nikki and Pete (with behaviour that stopped once Nikki was evicted).

I can't think of any incident that would be explained by Nikki catching Ash in a bad mood. For instance, the "know yourself" incident wasn't because of catching Ash in a bad mood.


Really? I don't think I've seen anyone say quite that before. (I'm not saying they weren't friends in the house, though.)

Anyway, there was at least one "event". Here's one thread about it: WELL DONE Imogen.




When you're watching BB7 now, are you watching only the highlights shows? If so, that might explain why you're seeing some things differently than many here did at the time.

Nikki was even worse on live feed , there were many nights where she'd stay up bitching about Ash to Jayne , really bilious stuff , calling her a slag and all sorts of names , making herself ill with her own bile .

To be fair, Jayne likely just told Nikki what Aisleyne had been saying against Nikki in the house next door...so it's hard to say if you can call that poisoning (Nikki was already very paranoid at that stage so it really didn't take much to push her over).

None of it was in the edit but on the live feed there was a discussion in the house next door (when Aisleyne wasn't there) where they were getting fed up of Aisleyne constantly trying to turn them against/bitching about Nikki. Aisleyne even got a warning about it in the diary room ..and was supposed to be punished but never was (again it never made the edit).

The whole house next door was a balls up IMO. They should have just let the show run its natural course as they had enough interesting housemates.

I think most of the issues were due to them fighting over Pete 's friendship to a degree (same with Lea). Would have been interesting to see how they all got on without Pete there...he was house catnip.

BB rivalries are often horribly ramped up outside the house. We have several times seen housemates part on good terms, discover that their fans hate the other, and decide that, on second thoughts, the other person was vile to them. Aaron/ Jay is a good example. They were practically brothers in arms by the last day, then as soon as he had a chance to speak to people outside the house Jay seemed to acquire a huge grievance.

In the case of Nikki/ Aisleyne, I think Nikki's weeks outside the house were disastrous. Aisleyne and Nikki had made up their row, and aisleyne was quite comforting and supportive to wards Nikki, and strongly supportive of her just before the shock eviction. But Nikki was fatally suggestive. And the press were obsessed with the fatuous idea of a triangle. Nikki wasn't even in any sort of romantic relationship with Pete, and Aisleyne certainly wasn't, but it was what some of the public wanted. So every single interview that Nikki did - and she did a lot - centred round her romance, and how awful it would be if Aisleyne stole Pete from her, the minx. Based on nothing, Nikki started seeing Aisleyne as a calculating enemy who was out to ruin her big romance. It was quite bizarre, and very unpleasant, listening to Nikki move from irritation towards Aisleyne to something that was virtually hate, and Aisleyne completely oblivious of all of this, and even persuading the others that Nikki must be the one voted back into the house.

I don't think it was at all. Aisleyne was paranoid as hell (and had some right; compare the charming welcome early latecomers like Claire and Josh got with the nasty stuff she came in to). She just reacted badly because she thought Nikki was bad-mouthing her. There is no reason to suppose that her remark was pre-planned, or that it was part of a pattern of behaviour. And I think you are putting too much emphasis on the word 'mental'. Far worse terms are used in every series nearly every day.


I don't agree with that either. I think Aisleyne was utterly confounded by the turn of events. She had been having a perfectly nice time (once she had got over having to evict a friend), then suddenly discovers that Pete and Nikki were the adored king and queen of the series (not entirely true; but of course all the evidence pointed that way), and that she was hated. The always sweet and loyal Richard, who had been quite pally with her, responded to this change in the landscape by attaching himself like a limpet to Pete and Nikki, praising and flattering Nikki to the skies, and by discarding, and on at least one occasion, bullying and ridiculing Aisleyne. Pete, who had been a good friend throughout, completely deserted her. Her behaviour towards Nikki seemed almost unwatchably nervy and insecure that week. The time she kind of threw herself into the pool, and attracted yards and yards of ridicule on here - I think it was the response of an insecure person completely at the end of her tether: the kind of catastrophic social failure that makes people punch the wall when everything just becomes unbearably awkward and humiliating. How very much easier to be Glyn, and just completely oblivious to everything except his own stomach and groin.

I do like the bit on 14 mins when Grace is questioning Mikey about Imogen. I remember it at the time.

Its funny to think that they're still together now in spite of Grace having suspicions

It was. On the live feed (it didn't make the highlights), just prior to the " know yourself" situation, Aisleyne was in the bedroom bitching with Glyn about how Nikki's stories ( in the garden) were annoying her and she was thinking the best way she could upset her ...she decided that calling her boring would be the best way.

So cut to Nikki chatting in the garden, Aisleyne going yawn.".BORING", Nikki walking off saying "stupid B****" (or something similar) ,Aisleyne going "know yourself"etc. It was a pre-planned row from Aisleyne's point of view.


Still..I shake my head that I can still remember this shit from 8 or so years ago ...when I can barely remember what I was doing myself 24 hrs ago.

So she did.


I stand corrected. And I have remembered the 'boring' conversation better now as well. If I remember rightly, Nikki was doing a bit of a show-off, talking about having a threesome. And the reason (I am speculating now) the word 'boring' threw her so remarkably badly was that the story wasn't true, and insecure Nikki was trying very hard to be louche and shmexy.

There was a very uncomfortable dynamic between them all the way through the series. I think both of them saw the other as a big threat; Aisleyne seemed to relax a whole lot when Nikki had gone, even though by the end of that installment they were apparently friends. And Nikki really did behave badly outside the house, before she came back in. There was no excuse for sitting in interviews saying things like (and this is a direct quote) "Aisleyne makes me sick", nor for sitting in the HND calling her a whore and a slag.

In fact I think there was a remarkable pattern of Nikki dealing poorly with late comers. She was a fragile person - it was a house full of fragile people that year - and always seemed thrown off balance when anyone new came in. She was foul to and about Sam. She was vitriolic about Susie. She took violently against Jenny. She sneered at Michael.

I always thought Nikki had to do all her growing up outside the house. She was possibly the most immature adult, of good intelligence, I have ever seen; this did have its cute and cuddly side, winning her an army of fans, but like many a thwarted child, she could be vicious.

Why do you think it was about discovering their fans hate each other?


I don't think it was "based on nothing" that Nikki started seeing Aisleyne as a calculating enemy. Whether Ash was a calculating enemy is not clear, but there are reasons to think she may have been.

But also, Nikki already had a significant problem with Ash before Nikki was evicted and so also before anything was ramped up outside the house. It wasn't just irritation either. (Remember, for instance, the time Nikki became very upset during one of the Scouse Talks?)


It looks like you now accept that you were wrong in saying the "boring" remark wasn't pre-planned (and consequently also in your alternative suggestion, that Ash just reacted badly because she thought Nikki was bad-mouthing her). But there are problems with some of the other things you say there too.

I didn't put any emphasis on the word 'mental'. Sometimes in this forum, people seem to think the nastiness of a remark is entirely down to the nastiness of individual words. That has never been my view. However, you also took it out of context. Ash told Lea that Nikki was ****ing mental and was using Pete to stay in. My point was that while Ash was generally nice to Nikki's face, she said a lot against Nikki behind her back. Some of what she said had a nasty edge, but that wasn't the main point.

I don't know why you think "Aisleyne was paranoid as hell". But in any case, she wasn't subjected to any nasty stuff when she came in. There were some bitchy remarks about her, but they were not to her; and she made some bitchy remarks as well.


You say you don't agree with me, but when you say why, you are talking about when Nikki returned from the HND, while I was talking about when Aisleyne returned from the HND.

We disagree about the period after Nikki returned too, but for now (at least), I'll just comment on one point: the supposedly "always sweet and loyal Richard". Richard nominated Aisleyne in weeks 6 and 9. (She couldn't be nominated in week 7, because she was in the HND, or in week 8, because there were no nominations.) (Nikki didn't return until the end of week 11.) That doesn't seem very loyal to me.

Having re-watched the ENTIRE series lately my view of Nikki is that she was halarious to begin with having her tantrums and pretty much you could take her at face value, however after main malevolent bitch Grace left, Nikki would occasionally step into her shoes, particularly regarding Aisleyene behind her back - she could never confront her head on though. I found it halarious when Nikki impersonated her in the diary room after the "know yourself comment". However Nikki does come across as the more spiteful as the series goes on.

The pre meditation to Aisleyene yawning about Nikki was shown in the highlights as she discusses it in the bedroom. However Aisleyene had just been nominated for the first time and Suzie had convinced her that she had no loyal friends in the house and she was left under the impression that Nikki & Lea had nominated her after pretending to be her firend. Hence why they got most of the bile that week, though Lea got it worse.
Aisleyene apologised to Nikki for it after she returned from HND and explained it and pretty much championed Nikki from that moment onwards, unaware that Nikki was being more and more horrible about her behind her back, Didn't help that she was in the HND with Grace & Mikey who encouraged it.

I'm interested in the after show details , if anyone has them.

I do wonder if Grace & Aisleyene ever did have it out with each other. That was the sole reason for giving Grace 21 minutes in the main house only to have Grace cower away saying "it's my birthday" after Aisleyene said "I hope you apologised to Suzie?". So the big confrontation that Grace was touting in the HND never happened and she spent the whole time rolling around with Glyn.

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That's a fairly standard Aisleyne-favouring view of things, but I didn't agree with it at the time, and I still don't agree with it now. I think it's full of omissions and distortions, though some of that may be because it's (presumably) based on the highlights. But I do wonder about one thing: what did Susie do that you think convinced Aisleyne that she had no loyal friends in the house?

Re whether Grace and Ash ever did have it out, I think the answer is "no". (Both used the birthday as a reason not to argue during the 21 minutes, btw, and Grace did not "cower away"). At one point, it seemed they had met and put their differences behind them. Some people thought there were signs of continued or resumed ill-feeling after that, but I don't think it was ever clear.

Ash seemed to have more of a problem with Grace than Grace did with her, btw, and (going by Aisleyne's comments on her radio show) still seemed to be holding a grudge at the time Grace won Cirque de Celebrité; but it was shortly after that that (again going by the radio show) Ash decided to let it go.

Well that may be beacuse, shock - horror I watched the series and found her to be one of the reasonable people in there. I'm not saying she was not without fault at all, even she when reviewing her audition tape was pretty unhappy with her former self.


Basically when Aisleyene got nominated, she got upset and asked Suzie how she took her nomination so easily, while she was taking it badly. Suzie told her that she (as in Suzie) assumed she had no friends in the house and theirfore had not lost anything when they turned on her via nomination (I'm paraphrasing slightly but if you want the exact wording the ep is on youtube), she also told Aisleyene the reason she (ash) was upset is because she had formed bonds and thought certain people were her friends and that they would not nominate her. From that moment on Aisleyne put the barriers up and reverted to the girl in the audition tape for a few days until she was shoved into the HND then it all went away.

Whether she was unkind about Nikki in the HND I don't know, there was no evidence on the highlights shows I've watched, she seemed to be quite complimentary about her though there was little discussion about her from what I recall, Meanwhile Nikki was saying how much she hated Aisleyene despite how they had seemingly made up after Aisleyne apologised.

Interestingly when Aisleyne returned Nikki avoided her until the next day. Aisleyene had to find her to tell her how much she had missed her. In between this Jayne was stirring the pot like nobodies bussiness.

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With respect, this was not what I watched on the highlights. What I saw was Aisleyne mostly oblivious to Grace's bitching behind her back telling everyone that ash was a "slag" and looked "like a golden retriever". It was only after the water throwing specticle when Grace called Aisleyne a "moose" that Aisleyne started to have any beef with Grace, though most of said beef was due to the treatment of Suzie.

When Grace re-entered the few words they had was about Suzie and not their own issues.
What made me laugh was Grace's defence - Suzie used to be a stripper!
That's the justification from the girl who posed topless for "nuts" magazine to the girl who wears a thong every other day on television. Erm.... yeah.

Grace did a photo shoot for Nuts magazine after coming out of the house , even tho she said whilst in the house that she'd never demean herself by doing a lads' mag.

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It's the specific form that hate takes, which is 'you have been so fantastic, so loveable, such a wonderful person, and x has really ruined the series'. I genuinely think that if Jay mcKray, for example, had come out of the house and found that he and Aaron were treated as some kind of odd couple bromance, he would have gone right along with it. But he immediately seemed to find that his family, friends and fans absolutelyl loathed and detested Aaron and spoke as if Aaron had somehow cheated his way to victory at Jay's expense. As someone with not much in the way of common sense, self-control or maturity, this was disastrous to Jay's temper.



I think the whole of BB7 was skewed, to some extent, by the fact that both Pete and Nikki were perceived as popular favourites from the off. (Nikki's first eviction utterly confounded everyone.) It gave both of them a lot of power in the house, as people often hesitate to cross the person believed to be loved by the public. In the case of Aisleyne, Nikki was a bit of a nightmare: someone with a huge body of fans who was quite capable of being a bitch. I don't think Aisleyne EVER thought she was popular herself. I think the whole first half dynamic has to be seen through that lens: Nikki, and everyone else, believed that she was wildly popular; Aisleyne, and everyone else, believed that Aisleyne was not popular at all.
Sorry, that was an example of sarcasm coming over really badly. I have always thought Richard (though a bright and often entertaining housemate) was utterly ruthless in using people to get ahead. For someone who could be quite intolerant (as he was to Imogen) he was generally tolerant to Nikki; I am sure that was because, as I said, he saw her as a winner. When she returned to the house, his tolerance became open fawning, and quite emetic imo. And at the same time, he became positively unpleasant to Aisleyne, having clearly judged that she was of no account.

Yes, and Aisleyne only found out about that outside the house. Who knows, really, why Grace seemed to take such an instant loathing to Aisleyne? Maybe it was the social insecurity of someone not as middle class as she would have liked, and seeing Aisleyne, with her lurches in and out of MLE dialect, as a kind of terrifying mirror, reflecting her own commonness'.


I remember Aisleyne describing in an interview how they had met at some celeb beano or other. They seem to have pretty well blanked each other. Afaik there was no further contact. I think Grace still lives in Liverpool and there is no reason why her path should cross with either Nikki or Aisleyne.

Grace's path has crossed with Nikki, when Nikki was appearing in Panto in Liverpool a couple of of years ago, Grace and Mikey went to see the show and Nikki visited her dance school, They have remained friends and in touch since BB7

I really felt Aisleyne's sigh of relief when Nikki finally got evicted.

Talk about a weight getting lifted off your shoulders.

I could only take Nikki in small doses and thoroughly enjoyed the month without her.

She especially seemed spiteful when she suggested hiding Shebaz's clothes. And that was near the beginning of the show.

I think Nikki was spiteful throughout the entire series and I never understood her appeal or why she made anyone laugh.
She wasn't endearing and she only got away with her immature histrionics because she could act vulnerable at times,like when she wanted to manipulate the house.

This is what really disgusted me about Nikki but also actually made me feel sorry for her. She didn't seem to get that this is exactly what Grace thought of her and I remember her happily telling Imogen et al that Nikki was a slag she saw out and about with a group of slags

One thing about Aisleyne is I don't remember her ever resorting to that kind of misogynistic name calling and she certainly wasn't taken in by Grace and Sezer who she sussed pretty quickly unlike Nikki.

Still I saw them on Celebrity Coach Trip and they certainly seemed to be happy and comfortable in each other's company