[swb1964]

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Originally Posted by Denco1

Both.

Yes that is a good deal then. Of course Giff Gaffs £20 deal is 3g only.

[jonmorris]

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Originally Posted by nigelbb

It's actually a bit of a con as far as I can make out as Three's "Feel At Home" only offers data plus calls & texts to the UK out of the allowance. That's OK for data use & for keeping up with your busy UK social life but you could be in for a nasty surprise when the bill comes in If you actually use it for calling hotels, friends, restaurants etc & basically using the phone for all the normal things in the country you are visiting.

How is it a con? It's called 'Feel at home'. It implies you just use it as if you were at home. Thus, calling that hotel in the country you're visiting is still an international call.

I think Three would have struggled to make it more clear, but nothing surprises me these days. Apparently last week in the election, loads of people couldn't understand the concept of picking three candidates on the town council ballot paper. And, indeed, loads of people (as in hundreds) didn't vote properly and are now moaning in the local paper that they were misled!

If there's any con, it's that Three blocks video streaming so unless you use a VPN, you'll not be able to stream video on YouTube or Google+ (e.g. your own uploaded videos) and despite being able to get 20Mbps in France last week, downloading apps via Play were also crippled in speed. Again, until using a VPN when it actually allowed me to use the available speed.

I think Spotify also failed to download new tracks without using a VPN. So in that respect, Three Feel at Home isn't quite like being at home.

[rasseru16]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

How is it a con? It's called 'Feel at home'. It implies you just use it as if you were at home. Thus, calling that hotel in the country you're visiting is still an international call.

I think Three would have struggled to make it more clear, but nothing surprises me these days. Apparently last week in the election, loads of people couldn't understand the concept of picking three candidates on the town council ballot paper. And, indeed, loads of people (as in hundreds) didn't vote properly and are now moaning in the local paper that they were misled!

If there's any con, it's that Three blocks video streaming so unless you use a VPN, you'll not be able to stream video on YouTube or Google+ (e.g. your own uploaded videos) and despite being able to get 20Mbps in France last week, downloading apps via Play were also crippled in speed. Again, until using a VPN when it actually allowed me to use the available speed.

I think Spotify also failed to download new tracks without using a VPN. So in that respect, Three Feel at Home isn't quite like being at home.

What VPN provider are you using if you don't mind me asking? My private Internet access VPN is most defiantly blocked in Feel at home.

[d123]

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Originally Posted by bikerlad

http://www.engadget.com/2015/04/22/c...se-id-network/

Interesting that it has more free roaming countries than Feel At Home.

I see in the follow up story that the free roaming appears to only be offered on their more expensive tariffs.

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Carphone Warehouse is launching its "iD" mobile network tomorrow, and in preparation it's revealed new details about its contracts and how they differ from the competition.

For starters, they'll be separated into four tiers: Shockproof, TakeAway, Go To and SIM Only. The Shockproof tier starts from £7.50 per month and is designed to help you avoid expensive bills. To do this, iD will cap your usage automatically, while offering a customisable "buffer" just in case you find yourself craving a few extra GB.

TakeAway, meanwhile, will offer plans from £25.50 per month with free roaming in 22 countries -- that's more than Three's "Feel at Home" initiative, if you're keeping score.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/11/c...use-id-launch/

[moox]

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Originally Posted by Daveoc64

Three's "Feel At Home" uses specific deals in each country to offer the service, which means that Three can offer it in places all over the world.

It also helps that some (but not all) countries are those where Hutchison has some sort of ownership of a local telco

[jonmorris]

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Originally Posted by rasseru16

What VPN provider are you using if you don't mind me asking? My private Internet access VPN is most defiantly blocked in Feel at home.

Have sent a PM.

[Everything Goes]

A bit more detail:

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The Shockproof tier starts from £7.50 per month and is designed to help you avoid expensive bills. To do this, iD will cap your usage automatically, while offering a customisable "buffer" just in case you find yourself craving a few extra GB. TakeAway, meanwhile, will offer plans from £25.50 per month with free roaming in 22 countries -- that's more than Three's "Feel at Home" initiative, if you're keeping score.

For data-hungry users that rarely leave the UK, iD will have Go To contracts from £13.50 per month (12 month contract) and £11.50 per month (24 month contract). All of iD's plans come with 4G as standard, but Carphone Warehouse is yet to break out exactly how much data you'll be getting for your money. Finally, the virtual mobile network operator (VMNO) will also be selling SIM-only plans from £7.50 per month, or £5 per month if you're only interested in data. Like Three, this will also include unlimited data plans -- one contract it's highlighting offers infinite data, 2,000 minutes and 5,000 texts for £20 per month.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/11/c...nch/#continued

[Denco1]

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5.3 You must not use the Services, the SIM Card or an iD phone number or allow anyone else to use the Services, the SIM or an iD phone number for illegal or improper uses, including but not limited to:
5.3.4 tethering (unless explicitly stated in your Agreement with us), downloading, sending or uploading content of an excessive size, quantity or frequency. We will contact you if your use is excessive

I guess that was to be expected, whether they take a Giffgaff stance or BT mobile stance is yet to be seen.

[Denco1]

From a quick glance sim only looks competitive, but a maximum of 2GB with contact phones really now?
I can see the network taking off though, presumably it has been priced so it is the cheapest option for customers who currently use Carphone Warehouse so it shouldn't be to much hassle to get them to switch. I bet they don't tell them they are an MVNO on Three though, for years Carphone Warehouse tried to claim they were the worst network.

[Chris1973]

Looks like they are current offering the best deal for upper data tariffs on Mobile Broadband. £20 for 20GB of data for their Data only Sim. This compares well to EE's 15GB allowance for the same monthly price - both on 30 day contracts.

The only advantage in my area being that 4G is available on EE whilst '3' drag it out for what looks like being another year. But is having 4G really worth 5GB worth of Data Allowance, hmmm decisions, decisions.

I probably use a maximum of around 10GB - 12GB a month, split between handset and tethering, so if BT Mobile allowed tethering officially on it's 20GB tariff, that would be ideal. However, with the lack of any decent phone sim data allowances which officially allow tethering, then a MBB contract now looks to be the way forward.

I'm not even bothering to look at 3's MBB offerings as they haven't changed for years

[moox]

Their website is a bit sparse on info. They don't mention if you can tether on any of the plans, or on which of them it is permitted.

It probably isn't likely but I wonder if you could add a number from "iD" onto a three home signal. I believe Vodafone doesn't let you do it with their MVNOs

[call100]

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Originally Posted by moox

Their website is a bit sparse on info. They don't mention if you can tether on any of the plans, or on which of them it is permitted.

It probably isn't likely but I wonder if you could add a number from "iD" onto a three home signal. I believe Vodafone doesn't let you do it with their MVNOs

T&C's.............5.3.4 tethering (unless explicitly stated in your Agreement with us), downloading, sending or uploading content of an excessive size, quantity or frequency. We will contact you if your use is excessive;

Your SIM Card and Tariff can only be used in a mobile phone or tablet device. Your SIM Card and/or Mobile Device cannot be used in conjunction with or as a modem, dongle or Mobile Hotspot device unless stated at point of sale.

...............and they do mention a FUP in there as well.

[moox]

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Originally Posted by call100

T&C's.............5.3.4 tethering (unless explicitly stated in your Agreement with us), downloading, sending or uploading content of an excessive size, quantity or frequency. We will contact you if your use is excessive;

Your SIM Card and Tariff can only be used in a mobile phone or tablet device. Your SIM Card and/or Mobile Device cannot be used in conjunction with or as a modem, dongle or Mobile Hotspot device unless stated at point of sale.

...............and they do mention a FUP in there as well.

Yes, but "unless explicitly stated" is the qualifying statement - as in they could allow tethering on some plans and not others - but there's no info on their site that says whether they do or don't (and I don't really count the terms and conditions, because no one reads those, for right or wrong).

It's the sort of thing that needs to be there with how many minutes or texts you get.

[swb1964]

Ha, I notice they charge a disgusting 40p a minute if you happen to go over your allowances.

How can they justify charging anywhere near this much?

[jonmorris]

Carphone Warehouse will obviously push these tariffs over all others in stores, so I guess it doesn't really matter that the tariffs aren't actually that exceptional.

In fact, bar the few extra countries you can use your phone, I'd sooner stick with Three. How long would it be before iD Mobile introduces VoLTE support, for example?

[dabotsonline]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

In fact, bar the few extra countries you can use your phone...

Here we go:

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Originally Posted by iD Mobile

TakeAway plans

Our TakeAway plans give you the freedom to spread your wings. You can roam for free in 22 countries, and keep in touch with family and friends in the UK without racking up huge costs. No shocks, no surprises... no excuses NOT to call home!

You’ll be able to use your plan’s inclusive minutes, texts and data in Australia, Austria, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Portugal, Poland, Romania, Spain, Sweden and USA.

http://www.idmobile.co.uk/help-and-a...types-features

[Denco1]

Customer services on Facebook have said no plans have tethering, well if it is enforced in typical Three style then that's a major let down, even the average Joe might want to tether his friends phone out of his capped 2GB limit once in awhile.

[Faust]

It's Dixons with a different name plate over the door. Those who ignore the obvious deserve what they get.

[simon69c]

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Originally Posted by swb1964

Ha, I notice they charge a disgusting 40p a minute if you happen to go over your allowances.

How can they justify charging anywhere near this much?

Well Three charge 35p outside allowances, so not really that different. If you are worried about outside bundle overspend then just opt for the capped plans which will only allow you to go £5 over, or get an addon.

[moox]

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Originally Posted by swb1964

Ha, I notice they charge a disgusting 40p a minute if you happen to go over your allowances.

How can they justify charging anywhere near this much?

I think all the networks do that. They want you to pay more every month for tons of minutes that you'll never need, than buying something cheap and going over occasionally

[lamby]

So can you roam on sim only?

[swb1964]

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Originally Posted by moox

I think all the networks do that. They want you to pay more every month for tons of minutes that you'll never need, than buying something cheap and going over occasionally

Oh I'm not saying they are the only ones. But I'm just pointing out that this new network is ever bit as bad as the established ones.


Luckily GiffGaff, Sainsburys and Asda (and probably a few others) don't pull this dirty trick.